LOWRACER VK2 RECUMBENT NAILED BY NISSAN TITAN TRUCK. WHO IS ATFAULT? IS IT TOO LOW?

I've got two nurses pulling my shorts off...could you please repeat
the question?
I had a wonderful commute to work yesterday...at least the first 1/2
mile. Then, I was hit by a Nissan Titan! Before I go any further, let
me assure you that I am relatively fine, with a broken collarbone and
some bruising and stiffness, but quite happy that it wasn't worse.

I debated for two days whether or not I even wanted to share this
story, as I was afraid it would turn into a "lowracers aren't safe"
argument, or a "helmet" argument. FWIW, I will present my
thoughts...if this thread turns into either of these, I will delete
the entire thread immediately.

I wanted to bring the situation to everyone's attention, because,
quite frankly, I could have been the one driving the Titan. I was
riding down Oxnard, approaching a supermarket on the right. There was
a truck pulling out of the supermarket, making a left. I judged the
distance, and realized that as I approached the driveway, the truck
would be out of my lane and I could continue. What I didn't see was
the Titan making a left turn into the same driveway - it was hidden
behind the truck pulling out, and thus neither of us could see the
other. I rode my VK2 right into the right front corner of his bumper,
he pushed me up the driveway and off to the side, where I came to a
stop.

He stopped after parking when he realized that he had actually hit a
person! I guess from atop the left side of a Titan, you can't see the
lower front portion of your vehicle too well - he told the police
officer he thought he had hit some garbage in the driveway (if you've
been to my neighborhood, you would realize that isn't such an
unrealistic assumption). He was very apologetic, and I was wisked away
to the hospital strapped to a board (because I hit my head and my
helmet cracked, it was definitely considered a possible head trauma -
damn glad I was wearing the helmet!).

Aside from asking lot's of repetitive questions in the ambulance and
the hospital, I just felt sore. I could tell something was wrong with
my shoulder, but didn't know what. I asked if Nixon was still
president, which got a laugh...

The ER is an interesting place when you can only see what is directly
in front of you (the ceiling). Most of the doctors were very good
about approaching me to talk to me, although I could tell that there
was alot of activity going on around me. The nurse told me she was
going to cut off my jersey...no problem. The docs kept asking the same
questions. Then I could feel the two nurses pulling my shorts
off...huh? What was the question again? Excuse me doctor, it's been a
number of years since I've had two women pulling my shorts off, what
were you saying? I tried to stay mellow the whole time, knowing that
this could have been much worse. Do whatever you need to do so I can
go home and see my kids/wife tonight...

After mulitple x-rays, a CT Scan and two ultrasounds (I'm having
twins), I was given some food and release into the wonderful care
of...well..nobody. My wife had gone to pick up the kids so I moped
around waiting for my grandmother to pick me up.

Got home, had dinner with the family, took a couple Motrin and went to
bed. Had a panic attack trying to get out of bed to pee, and spent the
rest of the night on the couch. Back to work today with some Motrin
and feeling damn lucky that the worst part of this is that my early-
season ultra racing plans are ruined.

Folks, wear your helmets. Mine saved me today from either (a) a good
concussion, (b) brain damage, (c) death. No, a helmet won't save you
in every situation, but it will in some.

It didn't matter what kind of bike I was riding...I would have been
hit. Being 10" higher off the ground still wouldn't have helped me see
over a truck that was blocking my view.

Keep focused on what's really important to you. It isn't the bike, the
$400 GPS, the new jersey, the cool sunglasses....if it is, I suggest
you re-assess your priorities. My wife was absolutely amazed at how
patient I was at the ER, despite feeling like we were abandoned for
about 4 hours. My priority was getting home to my kids...it didn't
matter how long it took as long as that was the end result.

Ride safe.
__________________
Dana Lieberman

On Jan 20, 6:41 pm, wrote:
I've got two nurses pulling my shorts off...could you please repeat
the question?
I had a wonderful commute to work yesterday...at least the first 1/2
mile. Then, I was hit by a Nissan Titan! Before I go any further, let
me assure you that I am relatively fine, with a broken collarbone and
some bruising and stiffness, but quite happy that it wasn't worse.

I debated for two days whether or not I even wanted to share this
story, as I was afraid it would turn into a "lowracers aren't safe"
argument, or a "helmet" argument. FWIW, I will present my
thoughts...if this thread turns into either of these, I will delete
the entire thread immediately.

I wanted to bring the situation to everyone's attention, because,
quite frankly, I could have been the one driving the Titan. I was
riding down Oxnard, approaching a supermarket on the right. There was
a truck pulling out of the supermarket, making a left. I judged the
distance, and realized that as I approached the driveway, the truck
would be out of my lane and I could continue. What I didn't see was
the Titan making a left turn into the same driveway - it was hidden
behind the truck pulling out, and thus neither of us could see the
other. I rode my VK2 right into the right front corner of his bumper,
he pushed me up the driveway and off to the side, where I came to a
stop.

He stopped after parking when he realized that he had actually hit a
person! I guess from atop the left side of a Titan, you can't see the
lower front portion of your vehicle too well - he told the police
officer he thought he had hit some garbage in the driveway (if you've
been to my neighborhood, you would realize that isn't such an
unrealistic assumption). He was very apologetic, and I was wisked away
to the hospital strapped to a board (because I hit my head and my
helmet cracked, it was definitely considered a possible head trauma -
damn glad I was wearing the helmet!).

Aside from asking lot's of repetitive questions in the ambulance and
the hospital, I just felt sore. I could tell something was wrong with
my shoulder, but didn't know what. I asked if Nixon was still
president, which got a laugh...

The ER is an interesting place when you can only see what is directly
in front of you (the ceiling). Most of the doctors were very good
about approaching me to talk to me, although I could tell that there
was alot of activity going on around me. The nurse told me she was
going to cut off my jersey...no problem. The docs kept asking the same
questions. Then I could feel the two nurses pulling my shorts
off...huh? What was the question again? Excuse me doctor, it's been a
number of years since I've had two women pulling my shorts off, what
were you saying? I tried to stay mellow the whole time, knowing that
this could have been much worse. Do whatever you need to do so I can
go home and see my kids/wife tonight...

After mulitple x-rays, a CT Scan and two ultrasounds (I'm having
twins), I was given some food and release into the wonderful care
of...well..nobody. My wife had gone to pick up the kids so I moped
around waiting for my grandmother to pick me up.

Got home, had dinner with the family, took a couple Motrin and went to
bed. Had a panic attack trying to get out of bed to pee, and spent the
rest of the night on the couch. Back to work today with some Motrin
and feeling damn lucky that the worst part of this is that my early-
season ultra racing plans are ruined.

Folks, wear your helmets. Mine saved me today from either (a) a good
concussion, (b) brain damage, (c) death. No, a helmet won't save you
in every situation, but it will in some.

It didn't matter what kind of bike I was riding...I would have been
hit. Being 10" higher off the ground still wouldn't have helped me see
over a truck that was blocking my view.

Keep focused on what's really important to you. It isn't the bike, the
$400 GPS, the new jersey, the cool sunglasses....if it is, I suggest
you re-assess your priorities. My wife was absolutely amazed at how
patient I was at the ER, despite feeling like we were abandoned for
about 4 hours. My priority was getting home to my kids...it didn't
matter how long it took as long as that was the end result.

Ride safe.
__________________
Dana Lieberman

I called the insurance company yesterday, and the guy who hit me had
already filed a report. Nothing like someone taking a little
responsibility for their actions! I need to see my Sports Med doc this
week to figure out how to keep my fitness level up so I can still do
the Solvang Double on March 29 (it's my birthday and I don't want to
miss it). Death Valley Double is out, though...

Yes, I am consulting an attorney.

I don't know if they cited the driver...I will push for it, but
ultimately he knows he screwed up.
__________________
Dana Lieberman

wrote in message
...
I've got two nurses pulling my shorts off...could you please repeat
the question?
I had a wonderful commute to work yesterday...at least the first 1/2
mile. Then, I was hit by a Nissan Titan! Before I go any further, let
me assure you that I am relatively fine, with a broken collarbone and
some bruising and stiffness, but quite happy that it wasn't worse.

You confounded moron! If you have got a broken collar bone, you are anything
but fine. Please have those two nurses check your head, not your groin.

I debated for two days whether or not I even wanted to share this
story, as I was afraid it would turn into a "lowracers aren't safe"
argument, or a "helmet" argument. FWIW, I will present my
thoughts...if this thread turns into either of these, I will delete
the entire thread immediately.

While you are at it delete yourself too why don't you! It is well known that
you are in favor of only liberal ****heads posting to ARBR. Ah, if only the
Great Ed Dolan weren't here, then Bryan Ball of BROL could once again wax
poetic on the beauties of liberalism-socialism-communism on this honorable
newsgroup.

I wanted to bring the situation to everyone's attention, because,
quite frankly, I could have been the one driving the Titan. I was
riding down Oxnard, approaching a supermarket on the right. There was
a truck pulling out of the supermarket, making a left. I judged the
distance, and realized that as I approached the driveway, the truck
would be out of my lane and I could continue. What I didn't see was
the Titan making a left turn into the same driveway - it was hidden
behind the truck pulling out, and thus neither of us could see the
other. I rode my VK2 right into the right front corner of his bumper,
he pushed me up the driveway and off to the side, where I came to a
stop.

You were riding your bike in a congested traffic situation and you should
have slowed down and let the traffic clear. But like the dumbbell you are
you thought you had some rights to the road, or even stupider, that you were
a vehicle yourself and could therefore mix in with other vehicles.

He stopped after parking when he realized that he had actually hit a
person! I guess from atop the left side of a Titan, you can't see the
lower front portion of your vehicle too well - he told the police
officer he thought he had hit some garbage in the driveway (if you've
been to my neighborhood, you would realize that isn't such an
unrealistic assumption). He was very apologetic, and I was wisked away
to the hospital strapped to a board (because I hit my head and my
helmet cracked, it was definitely considered a possible head trauma -
damn glad I was wearing the helmet!).

Hells Bells, they ALWAYS say they didn't see you! And you are dumb enough to
believe them.

Aside from asking lot's of repetitive questions in the ambulance and
the hospital, I just felt sore. I could tell something was wrong with
my shoulder, but didn't know what. I asked if Nixon was still
president, which got a laugh...

A typical Bryan Ball ****head liberal remark. Why not ask if that god damn
Jimmy Carter was still president? But hey, hang in there, we may be getting
Bill Clinton back in the White House!

The ER is an interesting place when you can only see what is directly
in front of you (the ceiling). Most of the doctors were very good
about approaching me to talk to me, although I could tell that there
was alot of activity going on around me. The nurse told me she was
going to cut off my jersey...no problem. The docs kept asking the same
questions. Then I could feel the two nurses pulling my shorts
off...huh? What was the question again? Excuse me doctor, it's been a
number of years since I've had two women pulling my shorts off, what
were you saying? I tried to stay mellow the whole time, knowing that
this could have been much worse. Do whatever you need to do so I can
go home and see my kids/wife tonight...

After mulitple x-rays, a CT Scan and two ultrasounds (I'm having
twins), I was given some food and release into the wonderful care
of...well..nobody. My wife had gone to pick up the kids so I moped
around waiting for my grandmother to pick me up.

The only thing that interests us is how much your trip to the ER cost you.
When you get the bill for that, please be so good as to tell us.

Got home, had dinner with the family, took a couple Motrin and went to
bed. Had a panic attack trying to get out of bed to pee, and spent the
rest of the night on the couch. Back to work today with some Motrin
and feeling damn lucky that the worst part of this is that my early-
season ultra racing plans are ruined.

Folks, wear your helmets. Mine saved me today from either (a) a good
concussion, (b) brain damage, (c) death. No, a helmet won't save you
in every situation, but it will in some.

This is where the eternal helmet wars will once again begin, but Hells
Bells, I favor helmets myself - something that Bryan Ball and I can agree
upon.

It didn't matter what kind of bike I was riding...I would have been
hit. Being 10" higher off the ground still wouldn't have helped me see
over a truck that was blocking my view.

You would not have been hit at all if you had been going slower and paying
more attention to traffic. But like all your ilk, you only know one speed -
fast!

Keep focused on what's really important to you. It isn't the bike, the
$400 GPS, the new jersey, the cool sunglasses....if it is, I suggest
you re-assess your priorities. My wife was absolutely amazed at how
patient I was at the ER, despite feeling like we were abandoned for
about 4 hours. My priority was getting home to my kids...it didn't
matter how long it took as long as that was the end result.

Ride safe.

Dana Lieberman

Who is this Dana Lieberman guy? I see the name Bryan Ball at the top and
that is all I need to see in order to go berserk! Now if only old Larry
Varney, an erstwhile gentleman from Kentucky now residing on BROL, would
also show up here on ARBR my day would be complete.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan wrote:
wrote in message
...
...
Ride safe.

Dana Lieberman

Who is this Dana Lieberman guy? I see the name Bryan Ball at the top and
that is all I need to see in order to go berserk! Now if only old Larry
Varney, an erstwhile gentleman from Kentucky now residing on BROL, would
also show up here on ARBR my day would be complete.

Hey Ed - Note the "s" at the end - "balls" versus "ball".

In all likelihood, this post is by a "monkey" and not Bryan Ball of
'BentRider Online.

Furthermore, it is in part, a reposting of something written by Dana
Lieberman in a different forum.

Please pay attention.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"And never forget, life ultimately makes failures of all people."
- A. Derleth

"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...
Edward Dolan wrote:
wrote in message
...
...
Ride safe.

Dana Lieberman

Who is this Dana Lieberman guy? I see the name Bryan Ball at the top and
that is all I need to see in order to go berserk! Now if only old Larry
Varney, an erstwhile gentleman from Kentucky now residing on BROL, would
also show up here on ARBR my day would be complete.

Hey Ed - Note the "s" at the end - "balls" versus "ball".

In all likelihood, this post is by a "monkey" and not Bryan Ball of
'BentRider Online.

Furthermore, it is in part, a reposting of something written by Dana
Lieberman in a different forum.

Please pay attention.

Anyone who would make even an allusion to Bryan Ball of BROL is deserving of
the utmost condemnation. Never fear, I will always be here to perform my
duty!

But I miss old Larry Varney. He was a depraved Santa Claus who had a
wandering eye for the women, the younger the better. Aye, all that bunch is
now to be found on BROL, a cesspool of liberals mixed in with other knaves
and scoundrels. Only ARBR is pure thanks to the Great Ed Dolan!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Jan 20, 7:41 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
wrote in message

...

I've got two nurses pulling my shorts off...could you please repeat
the question?
I had a wonderful commute to work yesterday...at least the first 1/2
mile. Then, I was hit by a Nissan Titan! Before I go any further, let
me assure you that I am relatively fine, with a broken collarbone and
some bruising and stiffness, but quite happy that it wasn't worse.

You confounded moron! If you have got a broken collar bone, you are anything
but fine. Please have those two nurses check your head, not your groin.

I debated for two days whether or not I even wanted to share this
story, as I was afraid it would turn into a "lowracers aren't safe"
argument, or a "helmet" argument. FWIW, I will present my
thoughts...if this thread turns into either of these, I will delete
the entire thread immediately.

While you are at it delete yourself too why don't you! It is well known that
you are in favor of only liberal ****heads posting to ARBR. Ah, if only the
Great Ed Dolan weren't here, then Bryan Ball of BROL could once again wax
poetic on the beauties of liberalism-socialism-communism on this honorable
newsgroup.

I wanted to bring the situation to everyone's attention, because,
quite frankly, I could have been the one driving the Titan. I was
riding down Oxnard, approaching a supermarket on the right. There was
a truck pulling out of the supermarket, making a left. I judged the
distance, and realized that as I approached the driveway, the truck
would be out of my lane and I could continue. What I didn't see was
the Titan making a left turn into the same driveway - it was hidden
behind the truck pulling out, and thus neither of us could see the
other. I rode my VK2 right into the right front corner of his bumper,
he pushed me up the driveway and off to the side, where I came to a
stop.

You were riding your bike in a congested traffic situation and you should
have slowed down and let the traffic clear. But like the dumbbell you are
you thought you had some rights to the road, or even stupider, that you were
a vehicle yourself and could therefore mix in with other vehicles.

He stopped after parking when he realized that he had actually hit a
person! I guess from atop the left side of a Titan, you can't see the
lower front portion of your vehicle too well - he told the police
officer he thought he had hit some garbage in the driveway (if you've
been to my neighborhood, you would realize that isn't such an
unrealistic assumption). He was very apologetic, and I was wisked away
to the hospital strapped to a board (because I hit my head and my
helmet cracked, it was definitely considered a possible head trauma -
damn glad I was wearing the helmet!).

Hells Bells, they ALWAYS say they didn't see you! And you are dumb enough to
believe them.

Aside from asking lot's of repetitive questions in the ambulance and
the hospital, I just felt sore. I could tell something was wrong with
my shoulder, but didn't know what. I asked if Nixon was still
president, which got a laugh...

A typical Bryan Ball ****head liberal remark. Why not ask if that god damn
Jimmy Carter was still president? But hey, hang in there, we may be getting
Bill Clinton back in the White House!



The ER is an interesting place when you can only see what is directly
in front of you (the ceiling). Most of the doctors were very good
about approaching me to talk to me, although I could tell that there
was alot of activity going on around me. The nurse told me she was
going to cut off my jersey...no problem. The docs kept asking the same
questions. Then I could feel the two nurses pulling my shorts
off...huh? What was the question again? Excuse me doctor, it's been a
number of years since I've had two women pulling my shorts off, what
were you saying? I tried to stay mellow the whole time, knowing that
this could have been much worse. Do whatever you need to do so I can
go home and see my kids/wife tonight...

After mulitple x-rays, a CT Scan and two ultrasounds (I'm having
twins), I was given some food and release into the wonderful care
of...well..nobody. My wife had gone to pick up the kids so I moped
around waiting for my grandmother to pick me up.

The only thing that interests us is how much your trip to the ER cost you.
When you get the bill for that, please be so good as to tell us.

Got home, had dinner with the family, took a couple Motrin and went to
bed. Had a panic attack trying to get out of bed to pee, and spent the
rest of the night on the couch. Back to work today with some Motrin
and feeling damn lucky that the worst part of this is that my early-
season ultra racing plans are ruined.

Folks, wear your helmets. Mine saved me today from either (a) a good
concussion, (b) brain damage, (c) death. No, a helmet won't save you
in every situation, but it will in some.

This is where the eternal helmet wars will once again begin, but Hells
Bells, I favor helmets myself - something that Bryan Ball and I can agree
upon.

It didn't matter what kind of bike I was riding...I would have been
hit. Being 10" higher off the ground still wouldn't have helped me see
over a truck that was blocking my view.

You would not have been hit at all if you had been going slower and paying
more attention to traffic. But like all your ilk, you only know one speed -
fast!

Keep focused on what's really important to you. It isn't the bike, the
$400 GPS, the new jersey, the cool sunglasses....if it is, I suggest
you re-assess your priorities. My wife was absolutely amazed at how
patient I was at the ER, despite feeling like we were abandoned for
about 4 hours. My priority was getting home to my kids...it didn't
matter how long it took as long as that was the end result.

Ride safe.

Dana Lieberman

Who is this Dana Lieberman guy? I see the name Bryan Ball at the top and
that is all I need to see in order to go berserk! Now if only old Larry
Varney, an erstwhile gentleman from Kentucky now residing on BROL, would
also show up here on ARBR my day would be complete.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Mr. Sensitivity you will never be crowned and what's with all the
displaced aggression toward Bryan? Have you run short of your meds,
out of vino or "C" both of the above?

"JimmyMac" wrote in message
...
[...]
Mr. Sensitivity you will never be crowned and what's with all the
displaced aggression toward Bryan? Have you run short of your meds,
out of vino or "C" both of the above?

Bryan Ball once sallied forth with the opinion that only liberals should be
posting to ARBR since most cyclists were liberals. As you can well imagine,
I took violent exception to that, after which he left this honorable
newsgroup never to return. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

I have had to give up the vino. My health is just too delicate for it. If I
got off my meds, I would soon be resting peacefully out at the local
cemetery.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Jan 24, 5:47 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message

...
[...]

Mr. Sensitivity you will never be crowned and what's with all the
displaced aggression toward Bryan? Have you run short of your meds,
out of vino or "C" both of the above?

Bryan Ball once sallied forth with the opinion that only liberals should be
posting to ARBR since most cyclists were liberals. As you can well imagine,
I took violent exception to that, after which he left this honorable
newsgroup never to return. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

It is difficult, if not impossible, to challenge an opinion. Try as
you may, one cannot debate opinion. Something cannot be branded
"true" or "false", "right" or "wrong" when that something is merely an
expression of opinion. Opinions are what they are and we all have
differences of opinion. That is simply fact of life that we all
encounter and must learn to deal with, so why not take control,
unburden yourself, become unencumbered by your obsession ... let it go
and move on?

I have had to give up the vino. My health is just too delicate for it. If I
got off my meds, I would soon be resting peacefully out at the local
cemetery.

Sounds like a plan ;^)

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"JimmyMac" wrote in message
...
On Jan 24, 5:47 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message

...
[...]

Mr. Sensitivity you will never be crowned and what's with all the
displaced aggression toward Bryan? Have you run short of your meds,
out of vino or "C" both of the above?

Bryan Ball once sallied forth with the opinion that only liberals should
be
posting to ARBR since most cyclists were liberals. As you can well
imagine,
I took violent exception to that, after which he left this honorable
newsgroup never to return. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

It is difficult, if not impossible, to challenge an opinion. Try as
you may, one cannot debate opinion. Something cannot be branded
"true" or "false", "right" or "wrong" when that something is merely an
expression of opinion. Opinions are what they are and we all have
differences of opinion. That is simply fact of life that we all
encounter and must learn to deal with, so why not take control,
unburden yourself, become unencumbered by your obsession ... let it go
and move on?

ARBR was once nothing but a bash Bush type of social club. Those few
conservatives who dared a response were intelligent and witty (I am thinking
of "skip") but they were not up to the kind of **** they were being
presented with. I know what liberals are like because I used to be one
myself and I know they have to be combated on their own ground. In other
words, you have to get down and dirty like they are. Liberals know how to
dish it out, but they can't take it.

Bryan Ball left the group because I challenged his every liberal opinion.
But the final straw was when he said only liberals should be on a cycling
newsgroup. I went into orbit at that! That kind of arrogance was too much to
bear. ARBR has been tamed and we no longer get liberals bashing Bush. They
do that now at their peril.

I have had to give up the vino. My health is just too delicate for it. If
I
got off my meds, I would soon be resting peacefully out at the local
cemetery.

Sounds like a plan ;^)

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Jan 25, 4:13 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message

...



On Jan 24, 5:47 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"JimmyMac" wrote in message

...
[...]

Mr. Sensitivity you will never be crowned and what's with all the
displaced aggression toward Bryan? Have you run short of your meds,
out of vino or "C" both of the above?

Bryan Ball once sallied forth with the opinion that only liberals should
be
posting to ARBR since most cyclists were liberals. As you can well
imagine,
I took violent exception to that, after which he left this honorable
newsgroup never to return. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

It is difficult, if not impossible, to challenge an opinion. Try as
you may, one cannot debate opinion. Something cannot be branded
"true" or "false", "right" or "wrong" when that something is merely an
expression of opinion. Opinions are what they are and we all have
differences of opinion. That is simply fact of life that we all
encounter and must learn to deal with, so why not take control,
unburden yourself, become unencumbered by your obsession ... let it go
and move on?

ARBR was once nothing but a bash Bush type of social club. Those few
conservatives who dared a response were intelligent and witty (I am thinking
of "skip") but they were not up to the kind of **** they were being
presented with. I know what liberals are like because I used to be one
myself and I know they have to be combated on their own ground. In other
words, you have to get down and dirty like they are. Liberals know how to
dish it out, but they can't take it.

Bryan Ball left the group because I challenged his every liberal opinion.
But the final straw was when he said only liberals should be on a cycling
newsgroup. I went into orbit at that! That kind of arrogance was too much to
bear. ARBR has been tamed and we no longer get liberals bashing Bush. They
do that now at their peril.

What did you not understand when I wrote ... why not take control,
unburden yourself, become unencumbered by your obsession ... let it go
and move on? You are shackled by your own emotion. Bryan pushed your
magic button how long ago and he still exerts this effect on you? IN
effect, you have voluntarily given Bryan undue control over you, so
who comes out the winner? You really need to make a concerted effort
to shed your demons. - Jim McNamara

I have had to give up the vino. My health is just too delicate for it. If
I
got off my meds, I would soon be resting peacefully out at the local
cemetery.

Sounds like a plan ;^)

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota