Cyclist mows down child, attacks lady witness and then cycles away.

On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 1:14:38 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 09/06/18 11:16, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 10:37:07 AM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/06/18 10:12, MrCheerful wrote:

Can you point out where 'all society's ills' are blamed on
cyclists?

Most of your links describe criminal activities that have nothing
to with riding a bike.

I believe cars are responsible for a lot of society's ills. In a car
you are your own little world and other people are just in the way.

In a car, I feel hemmed in and constrained. A bike gives a very
different view of the world. I believe I transfer some of the feeling of
vulnerability, the spatial and defensive skills learned on a bike into
driving.

As I have said before, safe driving is more about attitude than machine control.


In the past when people walked, cycled and used the bus they had to
cooperate with their fellow man. Just look at the way drivers push
into queues, behaviour that would not have been tolerated in the
past.
Now we see the same ME FIRST attitude everywhere.

There is a massive level of hypocrisy amongst people that only see the
the world through the windscreen and mutter about various perceived
faults of a person they see riding a bike.

We've had an example recently. Nugent was berating
me about a lack of respect for pedestrians (I am a cyclist, therefore I
can't have any) and then went on to mention "silly pedestrians" getting
in the way of him in his car.

Nugent has some serious mental health issues.

Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 1:14:38 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 09/06/18 11:16, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 10:37:07 AM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/06/18 10:12, MrCheerful wrote:

Can you point out where 'all society's ills' are blamed on
cyclists?

Most of your links describe criminal activities that have nothing
to with riding a bike.

I believe cars are responsible for a lot of society's ills. In a car
you are your own little world and other people are just in the way.

In a car, I feel hemmed in and constrained. A bike gives a very
different view of the world. I believe I transfer some of the
feeling of vulnerability, the spatial and defensive skills learned
on a bike into driving.

As I have said before, safe driving is more about attitude than
machine control.


In the past when people walked, cycled and used the bus they had to
cooperate with their fellow man. Just look at the way drivers push
into queues, behaviour that would not have been tolerated in the
past.
Now we see the same ME FIRST attitude everywhere.

There is a massive level of hypocrisy amongst people that only see
the the world through the windscreen and mutter about various
perceived faults of a person they see riding a bike.

We've had an example recently. Nugent was berating
me about a lack of respect for pedestrians (I am a cyclist,
therefore I can't have any) and then went on to mention "silly
pedestrians" getting in the way of him in his car.

Nugent has some serious mental health issues.

He does not ride a pedal cycle in the ****ing down rain, the snow and the
high winds. He does not need to dodge pot holes in the road as he will not
fall out of his car as you may fall off your silly little bicycle.
He does not arrive to the workplace stinking of sweat and needing to have a
shower and to change his clothes before he does a days work.
Now, who has mental health issues, bollock brains?

On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 8:16:25 PM UTC+1, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 1:14:38 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 09/06/18 11:16, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 10:37:07 AM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/06/18 10:12, MrCheerful wrote:

Can you point out where 'all society's ills' are blamed on
cyclists?

Most of your links describe criminal activities that have nothing
to with riding a bike.

I believe cars are responsible for a lot of society's ills. In a car
you are your own little world and other people are just in the way.

In a car, I feel hemmed in and constrained. A bike gives a very
different view of the world. I believe I transfer some of the
feeling of vulnerability, the spatial and defensive skills learned
on a bike into driving.

As I have said before, safe driving is more about attitude than
machine control.


In the past when people walked, cycled and used the bus they had to
cooperate with their fellow man. Just look at the way drivers push
into queues, behaviour that would not have been tolerated in the
past.
Now we see the same ME FIRST attitude everywhere.

There is a massive level of hypocrisy amongst people that only see
the the world through the windscreen and mutter about various
perceived faults of a person they see riding a bike.

We've had an example recently. Nugent was berating
me about a lack of respect for pedestrians (I am a cyclist,
therefore I can't have any) and then went on to mention "silly
pedestrians" getting in the way of him in his car.

Nugent has some serious mental health issues.

He does not ride a pedal cycle in the ****ing down rain, the snow and the
high winds. He does not need to dodge pot holes in the road as he will not
fall out of his car as you may fall off your silly little bicycle.
He does not arrive to the workplace stinking of sweat and needing to have a
shower and to change his clothes before he does a days work.
Now, who has mental health issues, bollock brains?

You.

On 09/06/18 15:23, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 1:14:38 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 09/06/18 11:16, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 10:37:07 AM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/06/18 10:12, MrCheerful wrote:

Can you point out where 'all society's ills' are blamed on
cyclists?

Most of your links describe criminal activities that have nothing
to with riding a bike.

I believe cars are responsible for a lot of society's ills. In a car
you are your own little world and other people are just in the way.

In a car, I feel hemmed in and constrained. A bike gives a very
different view of the world. I believe I transfer some of the feeling of
vulnerability, the spatial and defensive skills learned on a bike into
driving.

As I have said before, safe driving is more about attitude than machine control.

Machine control is not about speed at all cost. A driver with all the
attitude in the world but operating at the limit of ability is not safe.
A technical driver has better ability to respond to conditions.

In the past when people walked, cycled and used the bus they had to
cooperate with their fellow man. Just look at the way drivers push
into queues, behaviour that would not have been tolerated in the
past.
Now we see the same ME FIRST attitude everywhere.

There is a massive level of hypocrisy amongst people that only see the
the world through the windscreen and mutter about various perceived
faults of a person they see riding a bike.

We've had an example recently. Nugent was berating
me about a lack of respect for pedestrians (I am a cyclist, therefore I
can't have any) and then went on to mention "silly pedestrians" getting
in the way of him in his car.

Nugent has some serious mental health issues.

Not necessarily serious, I suggest. But definitely issues.

On 10/06/18 07:16, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
silly little bicycle

I live my silly little bicycle. It is a thoroughly convenient economical
delightful viable means of transport.

I have no ****ing interest in looking good in YOUR eyes.
After all I ride a bicycle.
And we all know what YOU think of bicyclists. You think they are the
****witted pits of humanity.
And because it is YOU who think that, that is an extremely great
compliment.
We must be doing something right.

On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 11:02:49 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 09/06/18 15:23, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 1:14:38 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 09/06/18 11:16, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 10:37:07 AM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/06/18 10:12, MrCheerful wrote:

Can you point out where 'all society's ills' are blamed on
cyclists?

Most of your links describe criminal activities that have nothing
to with riding a bike.

I believe cars are responsible for a lot of society's ills. In a car
you are your own little world and other people are just in the way.

In a car, I feel hemmed in and constrained. A bike gives a very
different view of the world. I believe I transfer some of the feeling of
vulnerability, the spatial and defensive skills learned on a bike into
driving.

As I have said before, safe driving is more about attitude than machine control.

Machine control is not about speed at all cost. A driver with all the
attitude in the world but operating at the limit of ability is not safe.
A technical driver has better ability to respond to conditions.

F1 drivers take corners at the raged edge of the machines ability.
Some people equate than with being a good driver, I disagree.
Obviously you need the skills to make the machine do what you want it to do but once that skill is mastered it is more about how you interact with other road users.
I passed my test in 1984 and have no further training yet I have no problem passing cyclists safely, or giving way to pedestrians at junctions.
Why is that?


In the past when people walked, cycled and used the bus they had to
cooperate with their fellow man. Just look at the way drivers push
into queues, behaviour that would not have been tolerated in the
past.
Now we see the same ME FIRST attitude everywhere.

There is a massive level of hypocrisy amongst people that only see the
the world through the windscreen and mutter about various perceived
faults of a person they see riding a bike.

We've had an example recently. Nugent was berating
me about a lack of respect for pedestrians (I am a cyclist, therefore I
can't have any) and then went on to mention "silly pedestrians" getting
in the way of him in his car.

Nugent has some serious mental health issues.

Not necessarily serious, I suggest. But definitely issues.

Peter Pan Syndrome?

On 10/06/18 13:50, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 11:02:49 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 09/06/18 15:23, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 1:14:38 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 09/06/18 11:16, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 10:37:07 AM UTC+1, TMS320
wrote:
On 08/06/18 10:12, MrCheerful wrote:

Can you point out where 'all society's ills' are blamed
on cyclists?

Most of your links describe criminal activities that have
nothing to with riding a bike.

I believe cars are responsible for a lot of society's ills.
In a car you are your own little world and other people are
just in the way.

In a car, I feel hemmed in and constrained. A bike gives a
very different view of the world. I believe I transfer some of
the feeling of vulnerability, the spatial and defensive skills
learned on a bike into driving.

As I have said before, safe driving is more about attitude than
machine control.

Machine control is not about speed at all cost. A driver with all
the attitude in the world but operating at the limit of ability is
not safe. A technical driver has better ability to respond to
conditions.

F1 drivers take corners at the raged edge of the machines ability.
Some people equate than with being a good driver, I disagree.

It would certainly be a completely different activity to driving on
public roads.

Sometimes I thrash a go-cart. Going all out I have no trouble with left
foot braking yet when it comes to pottering on yellow lights I sometimes
have to think about it, probably because the pace becomes like driving a
normal car. I've also done some gliding - something quite unlike a
wheeled vehicle.

I am now a volunteer minibus driver for a charity. Giving the 14 people
behind a comfortable journey is the first consideration and the art is
just as much a "performance" activity as anything else; thrashing a
go-cart or gliding may seem worlds apart from this but I am certain
there are pathways lodged in the neurons that contribute.

Obviously you need the skills to make the machine do what you want it
to do but once that skill is mastered

There is no defined end point.

it is more about how you
interact with other road users. I passed my test in 1984 and have no
further training yet I have no problem passing cyclists safely, or
giving way to pedestrians at junctions. Why is that?

It's not about "cyclists", "pedestrians", "motorists". Using the road is
about people going from one place to another, for whatever purpose, and
encountering a person crossing the road is no different to having a 44
tonne lorry in the way. Some people don't seem able to cope with that.

Locally there is a plan to build a new road intended only for buses and
bikes. Obviously there is muttering in the local press about how unfair
it is giving "cyclists" the benefit (riding "dangerously", obviously;
usually a euphemism for going faster than them - how dare they). The
whingers don't seem to realise that "cyclists" are people like them,
going where they are going, are just as ****ed off about sitting in a
traffic jam but they do something about it rather than complaining.

On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 5:09:22 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 10/06/18 13:50, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 11:02:49 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 09/06/18 15:23, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 1:14:38 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
On 09/06/18 11:16, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 10:37:07 AM UTC+1, TMS320
wrote:
On 08/06/18 10:12, MrCheerful wrote:

Can you point out where 'all society's ills' are blamed
on cyclists?

Most of your links describe criminal activities that have
nothing to with riding a bike.

I believe cars are responsible for a lot of society's ills.
In a car you are your own little world and other people are
just in the way.

In a car, I feel hemmed in and constrained. A bike gives a
very different view of the world. I believe I transfer some of
the feeling of vulnerability, the spatial and defensive skills
learned on a bike into driving.

As I have said before, safe driving is more about attitude than
machine control.

Machine control is not about speed at all cost. A driver with all
the attitude in the world but operating at the limit of ability is
not safe. A technical driver has better ability to respond to
conditions.

F1 drivers take corners at the raged edge of the machines ability.
Some people equate than with being a good driver, I disagree.

It would certainly be a completely different activity to driving on
public roads.

Sometimes I thrash a go-cart. Going all out I have no trouble with left
foot braking yet when it comes to pottering on yellow lights I sometimes
have to think about it, probably because the pace becomes like driving a
normal car. I've also done some gliding - something quite unlike a
wheeled vehicle.

I am now a volunteer minibus driver for a charity. Giving the 14 people
behind a comfortable journey is the first consideration and the art is
just as much a "performance" activity as anything else; thrashing a
go-cart or gliding may seem worlds apart from this but I am certain
there are pathways lodged in the neurons that contribute.

There are old pilots and bold pilots but there no old bold pilots.

On 09/06/2018 10:36, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/06/18 00:17, JNugent wrote:
On 07/06/2018 20:47, TMS320 wrote:
On 07/06/18 17:23, JNugent wrote:
On 07/06/2018 15:28, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:

Well done; no unseemly hating of groups of people just because of
where
they live. Just prejudice based on mode of transport!

No prejudice. It all arises out of experience and acquired
information, much of it gained in this very NG.

You and Cheerless clearly live a very sheltered existence.

The exact opposite, I'm afraid.

"acquired information, much of it gained in this very NG". I rest my case.

I wish it weren't; I really do.

I wish cyclists today were as law-abiding and sociable as cyclists
were in the 1950s. Don't you?

To people of a certain age and beyond the past is always a golden era.
Culture has changed out of recognition since the 50's. Not that I was
there and only have black & white films to go by.

You take an occasional report about a "cyclist" doing something wrong
(which invariably has nothing to do with actually riding the bike) and
choose not to compare with the population at large.

I really don't care about obedience to the law when what is important is
the safety of others. It ought to be a given that, compared to a driver,
a person on a bike cannot afford (on average) to be selfish.

Sp do you agree, or disagree, that as a class of road-user, cyclists
used to be much more law-compliant and courteous than they tend to be
nowadays?

On 09/06/2018 11:03, TMS320 wrote:
On 08/06/18 12:54, MrCheerful wrote:
On 08/06/2018 10:39, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 09:12:45 GMT, MrCheerful
wrote:

On 08/06/2018 09:49, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 16:27:31 GMT, MrCheerful g.odonnell35
@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:

On 07/06/2018 15:28, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2018 20:01:16 GMT, JNugent
wrote:

[]

Well done; no unseemly hating of groups of people just because of
where they live. Just prejudice based on mode of transport!


no, it is prejudice based on the behaviour of users of said mode of
transport.
If the majority of the users were sensible, law abiding and behaved
with normal manners and sensibilities then no-one would have any
problem with them.


Well, quite. Sadly there are many poor drivers in charge of large
lumps
of metal endangering other road users every minute of the day. And
apologists who come here willing to blame all of societies ills on a
minority.


Can you point out where 'all society's ills' are blamed on cyclists?

It would be against the charter of the group to go off topic. This is
a
group about cyclists in the UK

If you insist upon bringing drivers into your whatabouttery argument,
then I would have to say that as a proportion of the totals, bad
cyclists far outnumber good cyclists. Whereas bad car drivers are far
outnumbered by good ones.


You haven't been out much (on your bicycle to keep it on topic) lately
then? And it doesn't take many bad drivers (but no-one admits they're
less than "above average") to create an atmosphere of fear.

So why does the 'atmosphere of fear' cause cyclists to behave
irresponsibly?

Define "irresponsibly"

Cycling along the footway is a good example. It is utterly irresponsible
and selfish, as I know you will agree.