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Life bans for doping
Got to be the ultimate solution. the Landis affair (along with the "spanish
affair") has made a mockery of cycle sport this year. enough is enough. reading about phonak I'm quite angry that personal irresponsibilty has led to one of the greatest sporting spectacles being dragged into the mire. but OTOH this has been going on since Tom Simpson and before. In the case of landis it seems he's put personal glory before the sport and that simply isn't right, we achieve in life via merit not cheating the system so all in all it's only right that the system has spewed him back out. When the winner of the biggest cycling event on the calendar has been nabbed doping, the alarms bells pealing, nay screaming, it's time for action. one does wonder just how genuine these sort of remarks aare however- http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/othe...ng/4777763.stm "In this year's Tour de France there were probably 300 controls done and we got one positive and that was the winner. That's unfortunate for the sport and the credibility of the sport. "But we will always continue to be completely proactive, independent and transparent in the anti-drugs fight." -- "usted me enoja, quito los dientes" |
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In the case of landis it seems he's put personal glory before the sport the fact that Amber wanted Floyd to put on a t-patch doesn't bother me. it's all the doping, in training, that turned simple folk into supermen that did it for me. |
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Xavier Santiago Amarillo - Dentista wrote: we achieve in life via merit not cheating the system Carnegie. Rockefeller. Gates. Just three examples. Did what it took to get what they wanted, and they got a lot. Later, they dodged taxes and bought public favor (in some eyes) by giving some percentage away. Let's stop scapegoating cyclists who are only part of a very broken system, OK? If the guy next to you can dope and not get caught, and testing catches very, very few, the choices are obvious. Testing, as done currently, is the problem, not any kind of solution. --D-y |
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No, the problem is that doping controls have no credibility. It seems
that recently, more people have been busted through investigation than testing. Things like the illegal test of Lance's 1999 TdF samples, "positive" tests for products that do not enhance performance, and a lack of basic respect for the athletes don't help the matter. Attack the system, not the athletes. |
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Xavier Santiago Amarillo - Dentista wrote:
Got to be the ultimate solution. the Landis affair (along with the "spanish affair") has made a mockery of cycle sport this year. enough is enough. reading about phonak I'm quite angry that personal irresponsibilty has led to one of the greatest sporting spectacles being dragged into the mire. but OTOH this has been going on since Tom Simpson and before. In the case of landis it seems he's put personal glory before the sport and that simply isn't right, we achieve in life via merit not cheating the system so all in all it's only right that the system has spewed him back out. Where do you live and work that people achieve in life via merit, not cheating, gaming the system, and backstabbing? Can the rest of us move there? Life bans are not the ultimate solution. 4 year bans from the Protour are more severe than doping suspensions used to be, and riders still do it - because most of the time, they figure they won't get caught. The way to reduce offenses is to make the chance of getting caught much higher, not to make the penalties super-sized. Also, if you give life bans for every infraction, federations will find way to let people off for minor infractions. For ex, some guy gets caught with a bronchodilator in his system and comes up with a BS excuse - the fed will accept it to avoid suspending a guy for life for a drug that is much less effective than (for example) EPO. |
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ups.com... Xavier Santiago Amarillo - Dentista wrote: Got to be the ultimate solution. the Landis affair (along with the "spanish affair") has made a mockery of cycle sport this year. enough is enough. reading about phonak I'm quite angry that personal irresponsibilty has led to one of the greatest sporting spectacles being dragged into the mire. but OTOH this has been going on since Tom Simpson and before. In the case of landis it seems he's put personal glory before the sport and that simply isn't right, we achieve in life via merit not cheating the system so all in all it's only right that the system has spewed him back out. Where do you live and work that people achieve in life via merit, not cheating, gaming the system, and backstabbing? Can the rest of us move there? ;-) it certainly doesn't work in sport does it? ok so there are those (presumably) that have doped and not been caught, doping in training regimes and so on. Life bans are not the ultimate solution. i dont' suppose they are.(sigh) it might have an effect though. 4 year bans from the Protour are more severe than doping suspensions used to be, and riders still do it - because most of the time, they figure they won't get caught. The way to reduce offenses is to make the chance of getting caught much higher, not to make the penalties super-sized. to quote Pat McQuaid then, "300 tests were done on cyclists in the TdF and one came out positive". I'd say that's pretty emphatic. Also, if you give life bans for every infraction, federations will find way to let people off for minor infractions. fine, then adopt zero tolerance. For ex, some guy gets caught with a bronchodilator in his system and comes up with a BS excuse - the fed will accept it to avoid suspending a guy for life for a drug that is much less effective than (for example) EPO. a good point maybe, i use steroid inhalers once in a while for asthma, presumably that would leave me positive upon use and test but as i undersand it is down to the athletes to declare such medications. then there is the delgado fiasco. i understand this problem is not easily solved but there are solutions that must be tried before the sport becomes a farce in the eyes of the public (if that is not the case already). -- |
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"sonarrat" wrote in message
... No, the problem is that doping controls have no credibility. i'm not sure that is true. that recently, more people have been busted through investigation than testing. Things like the illegal test of Lance's 1999 TdF samples, "positive" tests for products that do not enhance performance, and a lack of basic respect for the athletes don't help the matter. Attack the system, not the athletes. yes i daresay that there are flaws in the system. so why is it that landis will lose his TdF crown? -- |
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Xavier Santiago Amarillo - Dentista wrote:
"sonarrat" wrote in message ... No, the problem is that doping controls have no credibility. i'm not sure that is true. that recently, more people have been busted through investigation than testing. Things like the illegal test of Lance's 1999 TdF samples, "positive" tests for products that do not enhance performance, and a lack of basic respect for the athletes don't help the matter. Attack the system, not the athletes. yes i daresay that there are flaws in the system. so why is it that landis will lose his TdF crown? Why is it that it hasn't been taken away from him already? Because there are still questions. The positives don't make any sense and the negatives that flank the positives don't make any sense. |
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Xavier Santiago Amarillo - Dentista wrote:
wrote in message 4 year bans from the Protour are more severe than doping suspensions used to be, and riders still do it - because most of the time, they figure they won't get caught. The way to reduce offenses is to make the chance of getting caught much higher, not to make the penalties super-sized. to quote Pat McQuaid then, "300 tests were done on cyclists in the TdF and one came out positive". I'd say that's pretty emphatic. That's what McQuaid and Pound want you to think. How do you tell the difference between a low percentage of dopers and a testing program that is inffective and/or only catches people who are sloppy or unlucky? There are quite a few people (Manzano, Millar, Gaumont etc) who have testified to doping and not getting caught by tests. Plus all the people who may or may not have been gassing up at the Fuentes Station. The dope cops need something. maybe a better strategy (law enforcement methods) or going after the suppliers, or more out of competition tests. Or they need to give up the Rumsfeld-Westmoreland pretense of making an announcement that they've seen light at the end of the tunnel everytime they win a minor skirmish. |
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"Xavier Santiago Amarillo - Dentista" wrote in message
... Got to be the ultimate solution. the Landis affair (along with the "spanish affair") has made a mockery of cycle sport this year. Let's start with Pena and Parra! |
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