Why is Shimano so hated by some?

As a frequent visitor to this group. I've noticed that there are a few
posters who use this as a platform to steer people against the use of
Shimano components. What's wrong with Shimano?

"Evan Evans" wrote in message
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As a frequent visitor to this group. I've noticed that there are a few
posters who use this as a platform to steer people against the use of
Shimano components. What's wrong with Shimano?

They're like, "the man," dude, and they're like, keepin' us all down...

Matt O.

LOL

"Matt O'Toole" wrote in message
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"Evan Evans" wrote in message
m...

As a frequent visitor to this group. I've noticed that there are a few
posters who use this as a platform to steer people against the use of
Shimano components. What's wrong with Shimano?

They're like, "the man," dude, and they're like, keepin' us all down...

Matt O.

On 28 Nov 2003 19:40:05 -0800, (Evan Evans)
wrote:

As a frequent visitor to this group. I've noticed that there are a few
posters who use this as a platform to steer people against the use of
Shimano components. What's wrong with Shimano?

There are those who are always against the "big guy". Doesnt really
matter if they make a decent product or not. Same with Microsoft. They
will always have those who bash them - just because of who they are,
and not based on any real comparisons. Not to say that ALL Shimano
stuff is gold, but a lot of it is very good.

"Dan Brussee" wrote in message
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There are those who are always against the "big guy". Doesnt really
matter if they make a decent product or not. Same with Microsoft. They
will always have those who bash them - just because of who they are,
and not based on any real comparisons. Not to say that ALL Shimano
stuff is gold, but a lot of it is very good.

Yup, and usually the prices are very reasonable. You can get pretty decent
stuff (freehubs, hubs, cantilevers etc.) for not much money. Certainly when
compared to the aftermarket bonanza in mountain biking a few years back.
People would pay double for aftermarket stuff when I honestly think the
Shimano stuff is perfectly fine for the majority of riders. Still, it's
nice to have alternatives. And you have to be a rocket scientist to get an
STI lever back together!! ;-)

Cheers,

Scott..

Dan Brussee wrote:
On 28 Nov 2003 19:40:05 -0800, (Evan Evans)
wrote:


As a frequent visitor to this group. I've noticed that there are a few
posters who use this as a platform to steer people against the use of
Shimano components. What's wrong with Shimano?


There are those who are always against the "big guy". Doesnt really
matter if they make a decent product or not. Same with Microsoft.
They
will always have those who bash them - just because of who they are,
and not based on any real comparisons.

Microsoft is ethically a much nastier company than Shimano, and MS's
products are worse.

"Dan Brussee" escreveu na mensagem
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There are those who are always against the "big guy". Doesnt really
matter if they make a decent product or not. Same with Microsoft. They
will always have those who bash them - just because of who they are,
and not based on any real comparisons. Not to say that ALL Shimano
stuff is gold, but a lot of it is very good.

You are allright Dan...They make very good stuff, but I don't agree with
their market share policy. I don't believe that they attempt to make eight
"families" of products with visible difference from a product and the next.
But they impress a visible price difference from a product and the next!

[]'s Eduardo
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(Evan Evans) writes:

As a frequent visitor to this group. I've noticed that there are a
few posters who use this as a platform to steer people against the
use of Shimano components. What's wrong with Shimano?

Well, mainly, they're the biggest fish in the pond and thus they are
the biggest target. While I don't use Shimano stuff (I don't like
the way STI levers work), the truth is that they have put a lot of
work into making sure their products function well from the top of
the line down to the bottom. $400 bikes nowadays work better than
$750 bikes of 20 years ago, in terms of shifting and such. They're
easier for new riders to use and that's all to the good for growing
the sport.

For the enthusiast, the downside is that at any given price point, a
bike is a bike is a bike. For the normal person, that may be an
upside. :-D

Shimano is like the Microsoft of the bicycle world, the difference
being that Shimano products are reliably good. Campagnolo is the
Apple of the bicycling world- their products arguably work better and
last longer, but there is a premium to be paid. Suntour would be
perhaps the OS/2 of the bicycle world- late and great. ;-)

Tim McNamara wrote:

Suntour would be
perhaps the OS/2 of the bicycle world- late and great. ;-)

And still running a hell of a lot of ATMs throughout the world!

Zog The Undeniable wrote:
: Tim McNamara wrote:
: Suntour would be
: perhaps the OS/2 of the bicycle world- late and great. ;-)
: And still running a hell of a lot of ATMs throughout the world!

unfortunately not for long. the banks are rolling over to M$ in droves.
god help us when they get there.
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david reuteler