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Hi,
Out here in Missoula Mt we've decided to re-work one of our 4 lane roads into a 'Super 2'. The Super 2 includes a turning lane in the center and bike lanes on the sides. The road diet is proven to improve safety for everyone involved. But we expect some increase in traffic congestion during peak hours. I'm wondering if anyone out there has personally experienced this downsizing of their roads. If so, how'd it work out? I've heard a few stories of motorists getting really bent out of shape about the downsizing of the road. One woman 'vows to fight this with every fiber of her being' and the phrase 'god given right to drive' has been mentioned. |
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"MissoulaBiker" wrote in
: I'm wondering if anyone out there has personally experienced this downsizing of their roads. If so, how'd it work out? I've heard a few stories of motorists getting really bent out of shape about the Downsizing roads is often used to reduce speeding in residential areas and school zones. Yes, some commuters don't like it, but those are mostly people whose kids don't have to cross the street. Locals usually like the safer streets. |
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4 Lane vs Super 2
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:25:01 -0600, "MissoulaBiker"
wrote: Hi, Out here in Missoula Mt we've decided to re-work one of our 4 lane roads into a 'Super 2'. The Super 2 includes a turning lane in the center and bike lanes on the sides. The road diet is proven to improve safety for everyone involved. But we expect some increase in traffic congestion during peak hours. I'm wondering if anyone out there has personally experienced this downsizing of their roads. If so, how'd it work out? I've heard a few stories of motorists getting really bent out of shape about the downsizing of the road. One woman 'vows to fight this with every fiber of her being' and the phrase 'god given right to drive' has been mentioned. This has been done on a handful of roads here in Austin, Texas with nearly universally good results. There are a few candidate roadways which have been rejected for the conversion from 4 to 3 lanes because there wasn't enough turning traffic (no driveways on one side of the road, for instance); but that's the exception rather than the rule. It only takes a few left turns to really screw things up on a 4-lane undivided roadway. --- Mike Dahmus m dah mus @ at @ io.com |
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4 Lane vs Super 2
In Toronto they recently did this with a relatively small stretch of a
4 lane road, which was mostly residential but used as a minor arterial - Dundas St East from Broadview to Kingston. (posted limit was 40 km/h, average speed 70km/h +) Drivers (mostly out of towners cutting through rather than local residents) and some members of city council got really upset by the whole plan. Since the implementation, there have seemed to be no complaints or problems. Traffic is slower (closer to the limit) but not highly congested as many feared - though I'm not sure how it has affected congestion on neighbouring routes, but noone seems to be complaining about that either. More bikes along there now. In addition to a turning lane and reduction to one lane in each direction some sections have parking to the right of the bike lane though, and striping the bike lane into the door zone seems like not such a good idea for cyclists. "MissoulaBiker" wrote in message ... Hi, Out here in Missoula Mt we've decided to re-work one of our 4 lane roads into a 'Super 2'. The Super 2 includes a turning lane in the center and bike lanes on the sides. The road diet is proven to improve safety for everyone involved. But we expect some increase in traffic congestion during peak hours. I'm wondering if anyone out there has personally experienced this downsizing of their roads. If so, how'd it work out? I've heard a few stories of motorists getting really bent out of shape about the downsizing of the road. One woman 'vows to fight this with every fiber of her being' and the phrase 'god given right to drive' has been mentioned. |
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