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  #11  
Old January 7th 18, 09:15 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Peter Keller[_3_]
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On 07.01.2018 11:09, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jan 2018 19:47:46 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sat, 06 Jan 2018 19:33:45 -0000, Simon Jester
wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 7:18:55 PM UTC, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
Simon Jester wrote:
http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/


274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate 6 billion pa

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/


31 Junctions on the M5
2.8 Billion

47 Junctions on M1
4.3 Billion

How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the
motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge?

Pillock.

Still obsessed with male genitalia, I see.
Now try answering the question.

He's not intelligent enough to construct answers.


Then you fall for his little game, Hucker.


I am not interested in his game.* I am interested in why you just write
prick and pillock instead of communicating in English.* Perhaps you've
lost some brain cells?

You are stupid enough to do this. After all, you are a scum cyclist.


I drive 99.9% of the time.* If I cycle, it's usually offroad.* If I have
to cycle along a road, I use the pavement to keep out of the way of the
faster vehicles.


Careful --
Pounder always carries a sharpened rusty serrated chisel dripping with
bile, gunk, snot and slime in his execrable back pocket --



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  #12  
Old January 7th 18, 09:52 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Tony Dragon
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On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote:

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa

Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes?

VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics Anonymous agree with that.


So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service.
tolls etc does not exist.


Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways.


Avoidance noted, you stated that VED was the only specific motoring tax.

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

31 Junctions on the M5
£2.8 Billion

47 Junctions on M1
£4.3 Billion

How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge?





I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of
taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets its money
from council tax & central government.

So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over given the 4th power of axle loading rule.



No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided.


So you are saying cyclists do not pay council tax or income tax?



Avoidance noted,you said motorists use local roads free of charge.
Many road users do not pay income tax and/or council tax.

  #13  
Old January 7th 18, 12:16 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:52:53 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote:

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa

Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes?

VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics Anonymous agree with that.


So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service.
tolls etc does not exist.


Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways.


Avoidance noted, you stated that VED was the only specific motoring tax.


No avoidance, anyone who buys a gallon of petrol pays the same price no matter what their chosen form of transport.


http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

31 Junctions on the M5
£2.8 Billion

47 Junctions on M1
£4.3 Billion

How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge?





I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of
taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets its money
from council tax & central government.

So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over given the 4th power of axle loading rule.



No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided.


So you are saying cyclists do not pay council tax or income tax?



Avoidance noted,you said motorists use local roads free of charge.
Many road users do not pay income tax and/or council tax.


No avoidance, everyone pays income and council tax, but some of this goes to fund motorways which only motorists can use.



  #14  
Old January 7th 18, 02:37 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote:

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa

Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes?

VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics Anonymous agree with that.


So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service.
tolls etc does not exist.


Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways.


Pedestrians aren't allowed on motorways whether they have driving
licences or not.

Apart from mopeds, invalid carriages, certain milk floats and maybe one
or two other equally esoteric specialist vehicles, any vehicle which
uses taxed motor spirit (petrol or diesel) is allowed onto a motorway.

At a conservative estimate, tax paid annually on fuel for the average
private car will be a minimum of about ten times more than the rate of
Road Tax for that vehicle. In the case of my own car, with its £20 a
year Road Tax, the fuel tax bill over 12,000 miles is more than sixty
times greater, at something like £1250+ a year. And that's in addition
to the Road Tax, plus Insurance Premium Tax, plus VAT on servicing,
repairs and consumables.

PS: I have always thought it daft - and probably immoral - to charge VAT
on essential safety maintenance and spares on any vehicle.

  #15  
Old January 7th 18, 02:38 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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On 07/01/2018 12:16, Simon Jester wrote:

...everyone pays income and council tax...


sigh

If *only* that were true.

But it isn't.
  #16  
Old January 7th 18, 03:39 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Tony Dragon
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On 07/01/2018 12:16, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:52:53 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote:

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa

Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes?

VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics Anonymous agree with that.


So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service.
tolls etc does not exist.

Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways.


Avoidance noted, you stated that VED was the only specific motoring tax.


No avoidance, anyone who buys a gallon of petrol pays the same price no matter what their chosen form of transport.


And what about tax on a new car?



http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/

31 Junctions on the M5
£2.8 Billion

47 Junctions on M1
£4.3 Billion

How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge?





I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of
taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets its money
from council tax & central government.

So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over given the 4th power of axle loading rule.



No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided.

So you are saying cyclists do not pay council tax or income tax?



Avoidance noted,you said motorists use local roads free of charge.
Many road users do not pay income tax and/or council tax.


No avoidance, everyone pays income and council tax, but some of this goes to fund motorways which only motorists can use.




Everybody does not pay income tax.
Everybody does not pay council tax.
  #17  
Old January 7th 18, 03:48 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
MrCheerful
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On 07/01/2018 15:39, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07/01/2018 12:16, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:52:53 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote:

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/


£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa

Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes?

VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of
which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics
Anonymous agree with that.


So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service.
tolls etc does not exist.

Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways.


Avoidance noted, you stated that VED was the only specific motoring tax.


No avoidance, anyone who buys a gallon of petrol pays the same price
no matter what their chosen form of transport.


And what about tax on a new car?



http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/


31 Junctions on the M5
£2.8 Billion

47 Junctions on M1
£4.3 Billion

How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of
the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge?





I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of
taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets
its money
from council tax & central government.

So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over
given the 4th power of axle loading rule.



No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided.

So you are saying cyclists do not pay council tax or income tax?



Avoidance noted,you said motorists use local roads free of charge.
Many road users do not pay income tax and/or council tax.


No avoidance, everyone pays income and council tax, but some of this
goes to fund motorways which only motorists can use.




Everybody does not pay income tax.
Everybody does not pay council tax.


Every person can travel on the motorways, and every person benefits from
their existence in one way or another.
  #18  
Old January 7th 18, 04:09 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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On 07/01/2018 15:39, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07/01/2018 12:16, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:52:53 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote:

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/


£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa

Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes?

VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of
which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even Autoholics
Anonymous agree with that.


So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle parts/service.
tolls etc does not exist.

Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways.


Avoidance noted, you stated that VED was the only specific motoring tax.


No avoidance, anyone who buys a gallon of petrol pays the same price
no matter what their chosen form of transport.


And what about tax on a new car?



http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/


31 Junctions on the M5
£2.8 Billion

47 Junctions on M1
£4.3 Billion

How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of
the motorways and the local road they currently use free of charge?





I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of
taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets
its money
from council tax & central government.

So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over
given the 4th power of axle loading rule.



No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided.

So you are saying cyclists do not pay council tax or income tax?



Avoidance noted,you said motorists use local roads free of charge.
Many road users do not pay income tax and/or council tax.


No avoidance, everyone pays income and council tax, but some of this
goes to fund motorways which only motorists can use.


Everybody does not pay income tax.
Everybody does not pay council tax.


Sorry to don my pedant's hat for a moment, but that should be:

"Not everybody pays income tax.
Not everybody pays council tax."

There's a difference!

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Old January 7th 18, 04:11 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
MrCheerful
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On 07/01/2018 16:09, JNugent wrote:
On 07/01/2018 15:39, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07/01/2018 12:16, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:52:53 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote:

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/


£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa

Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes?

VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of
which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even
Autoholics Anonymous agree with that.


So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle
parts/service.
tolls etc does not exist.

Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways.


Avoidance noted, you stated that VED was the only specific motoring
tax.

No avoidance, anyone who buys a gallon of petrol pays the same price
no matter what their chosen form of transport.


And what about tax on a new car?



http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/


31 Junctions on the M5
£2.8 Billion

47 Junctions on M1
£4.3 Billion

How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of
the motorways and the local road they currently use free of
charge?





I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of
taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets
its money
from council tax & central government.

So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over
given the 4th power of axle loading rule.



No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided.

So you are saying cyclists do not pay council tax or income tax?



Avoidance noted,you said motorists use local roads free of charge.
Many road users do not pay income tax and/or council tax.

No avoidance, everyone pays income and council tax, but some of this
goes to fund motorways which only motorists can use.


Everybody does not pay income tax.
Everybody does not pay council tax.


Sorry to don my pedant's hat for a moment, but that should be:

"Not everybody pays income tax.
Not everybody pays council tax."

There's a difference!


Surely that should read 'I am sorry...etc'
  #20  
Old January 7th 18, 04:20 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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On 07/01/2018 16:11, MrCheerful wrote:
On 07/01/2018 16:09, JNugent wrote:
On 07/01/2018 15:39, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07/01/2018 12:16, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:52:53 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote:

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/


£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa

Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes?

VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of
which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even
Autoholics Anonymous agree with that.


So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle
parts/service.
tolls etc does not exist.

Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways.


Avoidance noted, you stated that VED was the only specific motoring
tax.

No avoidance, anyone who buys a gallon of petrol pays the same price
no matter what their chosen form of transport.

And what about tax on a new car?



http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/


31 Junctions on the M5
£2.8 Billion

47 Junctions on M1
£4.3 Billion

How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of
the motorways and the local road they currently use free of
charge?





I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of
taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets
its money
from council tax & central government.

So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over
given the 4th power of axle loading rule.



No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided.

So you are saying cyclists do not pay council tax or income tax?



Avoidance noted,you said motorists use local roads free of charge.
Many road users do not pay income tax and/or council tax.

No avoidance, everyone pays income and council tax, but some of this
goes to fund motorways which only motorists can use.


Everybody does not pay income tax.
Everybody does not pay council tax.


Sorry to don my pedant's hat for a moment, but that should be:

"Not everybody pays income tax.
Not everybody pays council tax."

There's a difference!


Surely that should read 'I am sorry...etc'


:-;


 




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