Shimano, IMBA Release MTB Economics "Study" (Read "Lies")

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:26:20 -0700, SMS
wrote:

Jeff Strickland wrote:

Shimano probably knows how many gearsets it sells, and where they are
consumed. I suspect the 50M number is a bit high too, but I don't make
and sell gearsets, so I don't really know. But, I am not calling them
liars, you are. And when you call somebody a liar, that's a bit like the
pot calling the kettle black, ergo I'm right. Again.

Shimano never stated that 50 million Americans mountain bike. What they
said was "50 million Americans ride a mountain bike."

LIAR:

“We want legislators, policy makers and the public to understand how
significant mountain biking is to both the economy and to keeping
people healthy,” said Kozo Shimano, senior executive at Shimano. And
he points out that 50 million Americans mountain bike, compared with
the 33 million that golf.

What they didn't
say was that many of those mountain bikes are not ridden off-road, and
that in fact many could not be ridden off road for very long before
falling apart, being of the Target/Wal-Mart variety.

"http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/cycle/sac/us/en/news_and_information/news0/shimano_and_imba_release.html"

It's a good cause that Shimano's become involved in since scientific
research has shown mountain biking to be a low impact environmentally
sustainable activity with no more impact on natural resources than
hiking, and far less than many other recreational activities.
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"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:26:20 -0700, SMS
wrote:

Jeff Strickland wrote:

Shimano probably knows how many gearsets it sells, and where they are
consumed. I suspect the 50M number is a bit high too, but I don't make
and sell gearsets, so I don't really know. But, I am not calling them
liars, you are. And when you call somebody a liar, that's a bit like the
pot calling the kettle black, ergo I'm right. Again.

Shimano never stated that 50 million Americans mountain bike. What they
said was "50 million Americans ride a mountain bike."

LIAR:


Idiot



"We want legislators, policy makers and the public to understand how
significant mountain biking is to both the economy and to keeping
people healthy," said Kozo Shimano, senior executive at Shimano. And
he points out that 50 million Americans mountain bike, compared with
the 33 million that golf.

What they didn't
say was that many of those mountain bikes are not ridden off-road, and
that in fact many could not be ridden off road for very long before
falling apart, being of the Target/Wal-Mart variety.

"http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/cycle/sac/us/en/news_and_information/news0/shimano_and_imba_release.html"

It's a good cause that Shimano's become involved in since scientific
research has shown mountain biking to be a low impact environmentally
sustainable activity with no more impact on natural resources than
hiking, and far less than many other recreational activities.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat").


What's the point ?? How do you work on it if it is off limits to humans ??


Want to help?

NO !


(I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)


How'd that work out for ya ???



Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

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"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:26:20 -0700, SMS
wrote:

Jeff Strickland wrote:

Shimano probably knows how many gearsets it sells, and where they are
consumed. I suspect the 50M number is a bit high too, but I don't make
and sell gearsets, so I don't really know. But, I am not calling them
liars, you are. And when you call somebody a liar, that's a bit like the
pot calling the kettle black, ergo I'm right. Again.

Shimano never stated that 50 million Americans mountain bike. What they
said was "50 million Americans ride a mountain bike."

LIAR:

"We want legislators, policy makers and the public to understand how
significant mountain biking is to both the economy and to keeping
people healthy," said Kozo Shimano, senior executive at Shimano. And
he points out that 50 million Americans mountain bike, compared with
the 33 million that golf.



You are an idiot of the highest order. Well, the idiot of the very highest
order is the guy that bestowed you with a PhD, but I digress.

Shimano has no way to know that all of the mountain bikes that are built
with its gear sets ever get used on a trail. Indeed, there at least a dozen
mountain bikes in my extended family that never ever get on dirt except for
where the grass is not growing on the atheletic field at the school they
attend.

Justy because a gear set is built and installed on a mountain bike 50
million times does not mean that there are 50 million mountain bikes plying
the trails of America. Indeed, there is strong evidence that thet majority
of them are sold at WalMart and have no capacity to actually leave the
sidewalk, where YOU assert they belong in the first place.

Idiot.

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:06:11 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:26:20 -0700, SMS
wrote:

Jeff Strickland wrote:

Shimano probably knows how many gearsets it sells, and where they are
consumed. I suspect the 50M number is a bit high too, but I don't make
and sell gearsets, so I don't really know. But, I am not calling them
liars, you are. And when you call somebody a liar, that's a bit like the
pot calling the kettle black, ergo I'm right. Again.

Shimano never stated that 50 million Americans mountain bike. What they
said was "50 million Americans ride a mountain bike."

LIAR:

"We want legislators, policy makers and the public to understand how
significant mountain biking is to both the economy and to keeping
people healthy," said Kozo Shimano, senior executive at Shimano. And
he points out that 50 million Americans mountain bike, compared with
the 33 million that golf.



You are an idiot of the highest order. Well, the idiot of the very highest
order is the guy that bestowed you with a PhD, but I digress.

Shimano has no way to know that all of the mountain bikes that are built
with its gear sets ever get used on a trail.

Exactly! Which why that is a LIE. DUHHHHH! You are amazing(ly dumb)!

Indeed, there at least a dozen
mountain bikes in my extended family that never ever get on dirt except for
where the grass is not growing on the atheletic field at the school they
attend.

Justy because a gear set is built and installed on a mountain bike 50
million times does not mean that there are 50 million mountain bikes plying
the trails of America. Indeed, there is strong evidence that thet majority
of them are sold at WalMart and have no capacity to actually leave the
sidewalk, where YOU assert they belong in the first place.

Idiot.



--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande