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If you visit UK - get a taxi!
"Andre Jute" wrote in message ... On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 6:12:17 PM UTC+1, Ian Field wrote: The UK government only uses the name "Conservative" to fool gullible voters. Their real name is Toraidhe (pr, toorayhee) - its the Gaellic origin of the The Tory Party hasn't been conservative since Winston Churchill* set up a committee to set policy for the Conservatives to survive in the postwar "country And he was a defected Liberal. |
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On Thursday, June 12, 2014 4:47:37 PM UTC+1, Ian Field wrote:
"Andre Jute" wrote in message ... On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 6:12:17 PM UTC+1, Ian Field wrote: The UK government only uses the name "Conservative" to fool gullible voters. Their real name is Toraidhe (pr, toorayhee) - its the Gaellic origin of the The Tory Party hasn't been conservative since Winston Churchill* set up a committee to set policy for the Conservatives to survive in the postwar "country And he was a defected Liberal. Exactly. Back a century ago, the Liberals were actually useful... Andre Jute |
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"Andre Jute" wrote in message ... On Thursday, June 12, 2014 4:47:37 PM UTC+1, Ian Field wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message ... On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 6:12:17 PM UTC+1, Ian Field wrote: The UK government only uses the name "Conservative" to fool gullible voters. Their real name is Toraidhe (pr, toorayhee) - its the Gaellic origin of the The Tory Party hasn't been conservative since Winston Churchill* set up a committee to set policy for the Conservatives to survive in the postwar "country And he was a defected Liberal. Exactly. Back a century ago, the Liberals were actually useful... After their antics in the coalition, they look set to fall behind the comical spoof parties at the next election. |
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 22:05:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 6/11/2014 8:40 PM, John B. wrote: But more seriously, why do people promulgate laws that they object to obeying. I think the promulgating group is usually different than the objecting group. Yes, I know. And most of the people in the prison system will assure you, without blinking a bit, that THEY were unjustly imprisoned. -- Cheers, Jphn B. |
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On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:17:47 -0700 (PDT), Dan O
wrote: On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 5:40:15 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:01:58 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/11/2014 6:38 AM, John B. wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:08:50 -0700 (PDT), Dan O wrote: On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:41:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/10/2014 2:03 PM, Ian Field wrote: Move to quadruple motorway speeding fines to ?10,000 branded 'draconian' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-10000-3668437 Looks like maximum fine for "unauthorised cycle racing on public ways" will increase from ?200 to ?800. That seems a little harsh. Would it apply if a friend and I sprint for a city limit sign? It depends. snip I suspect that the word "cycle" is not intended to refer to Bi-cycles. More likely to Motor-cycles :-) That's possible, but I think it's unlikely. The remainder of the paragraph specifically mentioned "motorcycles" regarding a separate offense. I think racing a motorcycle would be legally equivalent to racing a car, i.e. both legally treated as "motor vehicles." Here's the full paragraph: "The new fine structure will see fines for "level one" offences such as "unauthorised cycle racing on public ways" or being found drunk on a highway increase from ?200 to ?800, while people convicted of "level two" crimes such as riding a motorcycle without a crash helmet or being drunk in a football ground will see the maximum penalty rise from ?500 to ?2,000." IIRC, for a long time even time trialing was considered illegal in Britain. But I'm not in Britain. Perhaps Phil can comment. Well, I didn't read it, but perhaps the British are inundated with demon racers pedaling madly here and there and the only solution is to penalize them. But more seriously, why do people promulgate laws that they object to obeying. Because they know its application depends. You mean that you can drive at whatever speed you wish? Or perhaps, "Yes Officer I know I was speeding but my daughter is late to Sunday School"? Yes, I know, with just a little imagination you can rationalize most anything, but I also know that in about 1962 or 63 the state of Maine passed a law that the first drunk driving offence meant loss of license for 1 year and the possibility of a jail sentence. the 2nd offence meant permanent loss of licence and a year in the gray bar hotel. There was an almost instant decrease in drunken driving. I checked and the DUI law has been moderated considerably since I was there. and the offences per capita has increased considerably. -- Cheers, Jphn B. |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 04:34:26 +0100, Phil W Lee
wrote: "Ian Field" considered Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:12:17 +0100 the perfect time to write: "John B." wrote in message . .. On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:08:50 -0700 (PDT), Dan O wrote: On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:41:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/10/2014 2:03 PM, Ian Field wrote: Move to quadruple motorway speeding fines to ?10,000 branded 'draconian' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-10000-3668437 Looks like maximum fine for "unauthorised cycle racing on public ways" will increase from ?200 to ?800. That seems a little harsh. Would it apply if a friend and I sprint for a city limit sign? It depends. snip I suspect that the word "cycle" is not intended to refer to Bi-cycles. More likely to Motor-cycles :-) The UK government only uses the name "Conservative" to fool gullible voters. Their real name is Toraidhe (pr, toorayhee) - its the Gaellic origin of the word Tory which translates to persuer/bandit. They will no doubt be stealing as much as possible from bicyclists as from anyone else. Generally speaking, motorists are an easy target - motorcyclists are an even easier target. UK motorists are robbed vast sums of money in road tax so the government can fulfill its statutory duty to maintain the roads in a fit and safe state to use - and then don't. That's because the "vast sums of money" don't come close to paying the cost of maintaining the roads, never mind building new ones or any of the other costs imposed on society by motoring, even including all the other motoring specific taxes (fuel duty, motor insurance tax, tax on new vehicles, and any others that I may have missed). And road tax was abolished in 1937 - it's motor vehicles that are taxed, at a level based on their emissions. Most motorists pay several times over again, repairing damage done to their vehicles by pot-holes. Then maybe the cost of running a motor vehicle needs to be raised to a level at which motoring actually pays it's way, instead of being subsidised out of general taxation. I read somewhere, that the tax on gasoline amounted to about 40% of the road maintenance costs, in the U.S., but that varies from state to state. Federal tax seems to be 18.4 cents/gallon. California total tax, State and Federal, is 71.3 cents and Alaska 30 cents. -- Cheers, Jphn B. |
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"Phil W Lee" wrote in message news "Ian Field" considered Thu, 12 Jun 2014 16:46:13 +0100 the perfect time to write: "Phil W Lee" wrote in message . .. "Ian Field" considered Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:12:17 +0100 the perfect time to write: "John B." wrote in message m... On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:08:50 -0700 (PDT), Dan O wrote: On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:41:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/10/2014 2:03 PM, Ian Field wrote: Move to quadruple motorway speeding fines to ?10,000 branded 'draconian' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-10000-3668437 Looks like maximum fine for "unauthorised cycle racing on public ways" will increase from ?200 to ?800. That seems a little harsh. Would it apply if a friend and I sprint for a city limit sign? It depends. snip I suspect that the word "cycle" is not intended to refer to Bi-cycles. More likely to Motor-cycles :-) The UK government only uses the name "Conservative" to fool gullible voters. Their real name is Toraidhe (pr, toorayhee) - its the Gaellic origin of the word Tory which translates to persuer/bandit. They will no doubt be stealing as much as possible from bicyclists as from anyone else. Generally speaking, motorists are an easy target - motorcyclists are an even easier target. UK motorists are robbed vast sums of money in road tax so the government can fulfill its statutory duty to maintain the roads in a fit and safe state to use - and then don't. That's because the "vast sums of money" don't come close to paying the cost of maintaining the roads, Motorists pay huge sums in road tax - presumably most of that ends up in government minister's offshore accounts, hence the need to sting motorists again and again and again and................... I repeat. Road tax was abolished in 1937. They might of abolished it - but they never quite got around to not demanding it anymore! |
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"John B." wrote in message ... On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 04:34:26 +0100, Phil W Lee wrote: "Ian Field" considered Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:12:17 +0100 the perfect time to write: "John B." wrote in message ... On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:08:50 -0700 (PDT), Dan O wrote: On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:41:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/10/2014 2:03 PM, Ian Field wrote: Move to quadruple motorway speeding fines to ?10,000 branded 'draconian' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-10000-3668437 Looks like maximum fine for "unauthorised cycle racing on public ways" will increase from ?200 to ?800. That seems a little harsh. Would it apply if a friend and I sprint for a city limit sign? It depends. snip I suspect that the word "cycle" is not intended to refer to Bi-cycles. More likely to Motor-cycles :-) The UK government only uses the name "Conservative" to fool gullible voters. Their real name is Toraidhe (pr, toorayhee) - its the Gaellic origin of the word Tory which translates to persuer/bandit. They will no doubt be stealing as much as possible from bicyclists as from anyone else. Generally speaking, motorists are an easy target - motorcyclists are an even easier target. UK motorists are robbed vast sums of money in road tax so the government can fulfill its statutory duty to maintain the roads in a fit and safe state to use - and then don't. That's because the "vast sums of money" don't come close to paying the cost of maintaining the roads, never mind building new ones or any of the other costs imposed on society by motoring, even including all the other motoring specific taxes (fuel duty, motor insurance tax, tax on new vehicles, and any others that I may have missed). And road tax was abolished in 1937 - it's motor vehicles that are taxed, at a level based on their emissions. Most motorists pay several times over again, repairing damage done to their vehicles by pot-holes. Then maybe the cost of running a motor vehicle needs to be raised to a level at which motoring actually pays it's way, instead of being subsidised out of general taxation. I read somewhere, that the tax on gasoline amounted to about 40% of the road maintenance costs, in the U.S., but that varies from state to state. Federal tax seems to be 18.4 cents/gallon. California total tax, State and Federal, is 71.3 cents and Alaska 30 cents. Can't remember the figure for UK fuel tax, but I vaguely remember a figure in the general direction of 70% being mentioned - its certainly the highest tax in Europe. Allegedly, some of this goes to upkeep of the roads - but having seen the state of them, I don't think so! |
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"Ian Field" wrote in message ... "Phil W Lee" wrote in message news "Ian Field" considered Thu, 12 Jun 2014 16:46:13 +0100 the perfect time to write: "Phil W Lee" wrote in message ... "Ian Field" considered Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:12:17 +0100 the perfect time to write: "John B." wrote in message om... On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:08:50 -0700 (PDT), Dan O wrote: On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:41:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/10/2014 2:03 PM, Ian Field wrote: Move to quadruple motorway speeding fines to ?10,000 branded 'draconian' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-10000-3668437 Looks like maximum fine for "unauthorised cycle racing on public ways" will increase from ?200 to ?800. That seems a little harsh. Would it apply if a friend and I sprint for a city limit sign? It depends. snip I suspect that the word "cycle" is not intended to refer to Bi-cycles. More likely to Motor-cycles :-) The UK government only uses the name "Conservative" to fool gullible voters. Their real name is Toraidhe (pr, toorayhee) - its the Gaellic origin of the word Tory which translates to persuer/bandit. They will no doubt be stealing as much as possible from bicyclists as from anyone else. Generally speaking, motorists are an easy target - motorcyclists are an even easier target. UK motorists are robbed vast sums of money in road tax so the government can fulfill its statutory duty to maintain the roads in a fit and safe state to use - and then don't. That's because the "vast sums of money" don't come close to paying the cost of maintaining the roads, Motorists pay huge sums in road tax - presumably most of that ends up in government minister's offshore accounts, hence the need to sting motorists again and again and again and................... I repeat. Road tax was abolished in 1937. They might of abolished it - but they never quite got around to not demanding it anymore! ... and they spend a lot of it on ANPR enforcement vans that drive around supermarket car parks scanning all the number plates to flag up defaulters. They alert the police to cover the exits and pull the offenders over and see what other documents are expired. |
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:14:04 +0100, "Ian Field"
wrote: "John B." wrote in message .. . On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 04:34:26 +0100, Phil W Lee wrote: "Ian Field" considered Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:12:17 +0100 the perfect time to write: "John B." wrote in message m... On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:08:50 -0700 (PDT), Dan O wrote: On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:41:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/10/2014 2:03 PM, Ian Field wrote: Move to quadruple motorway speeding fines to ?10,000 branded 'draconian' http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-10000-3668437 Looks like maximum fine for "unauthorised cycle racing on public ways" will increase from ?200 to ?800. That seems a little harsh. Would it apply if a friend and I sprint for a city limit sign? It depends. snip I suspect that the word "cycle" is not intended to refer to Bi-cycles. More likely to Motor-cycles :-) The UK government only uses the name "Conservative" to fool gullible voters. Their real name is Toraidhe (pr, toorayhee) - its the Gaellic origin of the word Tory which translates to persuer/bandit. They will no doubt be stealing as much as possible from bicyclists as from anyone else. Generally speaking, motorists are an easy target - motorcyclists are an even easier target. UK motorists are robbed vast sums of money in road tax so the government can fulfill its statutory duty to maintain the roads in a fit and safe state to use - and then don't. That's because the "vast sums of money" don't come close to paying the cost of maintaining the roads, never mind building new ones or any of the other costs imposed on society by motoring, even including all the other motoring specific taxes (fuel duty, motor insurance tax, tax on new vehicles, and any others that I may have missed). And road tax was abolished in 1937 - it's motor vehicles that are taxed, at a level based on their emissions. Most motorists pay several times over again, repairing damage done to their vehicles by pot-holes. Then maybe the cost of running a motor vehicle needs to be raised to a level at which motoring actually pays it's way, instead of being subsidised out of general taxation. I read somewhere, that the tax on gasoline amounted to about 40% of the road maintenance costs, in the U.S., but that varies from state to state. Federal tax seems to be 18.4 cents/gallon. California total tax, State and Federal, is 71.3 cents and Alaska 30 cents. Can't remember the figure for UK fuel tax, but I vaguely remember a figure in the general direction of 70% being mentioned - its certainly the highest tax in Europe. Allegedly, some of this goes to upkeep of the roads - but having seen the state of them, I don't think so! From the Wiki: From 23 March 2011 the UK duty rate for the road fuels unleaded petrol, diesel, biodiesel and bioethanol is Pounds 0.5795 per litre (£ 2.63 per imperial gallon). Value Added Tax at 20% is also charged on the price of the fuel and on the duty. An additional vehicle excise duty, depending on a vehicle's CO2 production per kilometre, which depends directly on fuel consumption, is also levied. If I've got it right you pay 2.63 in tax and then an additional VAT of 0.526 on the tax, and than .... :-( -- Cheers, John B. |
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