They got Bonds on obstructing justice

Fred Flintstein wrote in
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He's negotiating his plea bargain to testify against Wiesel. I can't
believe everyone has forgotten about Wiesel.


Is Wiesel the one who has the grudge against Armstrong, or one of the
ones who someone who has a grudge against Armstrong has a grudge against?
These people all look alike to me.

--
Bill Fred

On Apr 14, 8:19*pm, Jim Feeley wrote:

I attended the Thomas and Graham trials, and part of the Bonds trial.

Broadcasting your masochistic tendencies - how RBR of you. ~

I'd rather have my eye put out slowly with a red-hot knitting needle
than sit through one of those dog and pony shows.

R

Scott wrote in news:536ed9e9-c6f8-4f7b-
:

On Apr 14, 9:10*pm, Fred Fredburger wrote:
On 4/14/2011 2:35 PM, Jim Feeley wrote:

Pretty much anyone who's ever been a professional cyclist has already
paid their debt to society.

what? How do you figure?

He meant that in the sense that you wouldn't get the joke.

--
Bill Fred

William Fred wrote:
Is Wiesel the one who has the grudge against Armstrong, or one of the
ones who someone who has a grudge against Armstrong has a grudge against?
These people all look alike to me.

Perhaps you can classify them according to teste size.

On Apr 14, 12:27*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote:
"Fred" wrote in message

...
On Apr 13, 9:22 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote:

NOBODY likes Barry Bonds. Lance, I'm sure, does
a whole lot better in polling.

Call me... not impressed. Call Lance... not too worried.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

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Are you sure?

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/umedia/2011041...4688ab2c5e995c...

Fred
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Funny, but seriously out of date. Lance made a lot of fans in France
when he did the French thing by becoming the "heroic loser" when he took
3rd. Pretty amazing to see. That won the French Press over, because they
love to write of epic battles lost. Very different style of sports
writing in France than here.

--Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Out of date? That's the strip from 04/14/11, the day I posted the
link. I said that's pretty timely. Not relevant, though. I happen
to agree with you whether LA should be all that worried.

Fred

On 4/15/2011 12:46 AM, William Fred wrote:
wrote in news:536ed9e9-c6f8-4f7b-
:

On Apr 14, 9:10 pm, Fred wrote:
On 4/14/2011 2:35 PM, Jim Feeley wrote:

Pretty much anyone who's ever been a professional cyclist has already
paid their debt to society.

what? How do you figure?

He meant that in the sense that you wouldn't get the joke.


I cannot improve upon that answer.

RicodJour wrote:

On Apr 14, 8:19*pm, Jim Feeley wrote:

I attended the Thomas and Graham trials, and part of the Bonds trial.

Broadcasting your masochistic tendencies - how RBR of you. ~

Covering RAAM would be more fun.

Actually, it wasn't so bad. The judge let us use laptops in the
courtroom. And by the time Bonds rolled around, there was WiFi in court.
Besides, it's all part of the job.


I'd rather have my eye put out slowly with a red-hot knitting needle
than sit through one of those dog and pony shows.

Thats why I wasn't at all of Bonds. Graham and Thomas were more
interesting, at least to me.

Jim
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Jim
Jim Feeley
POV Media

"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote:

"Jim Feeley" wrote in message
...
"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote:

"Jim Feeley" wrote in message
...
"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote:


"Jim Feeley" wrote in message
...
:
: The Lance case, what little I know about it, is pretty different
from
all
the
: BALCO-related cases. Past performance is no guarantee of future
returns.
:
: But let's ask: Did Novitzky achieve his goal? The answer might be
yes.



Dumbass -

He did not.

Obstruction of justice means Bonds over-obfuscated to the grand
jury.
It's
not jack. The other BALCO people who got that particular conviction
didn't
do jail time. Home confinement.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.


Novitzky did if his goal was to (perhaps deservedly) trash the
reputation
of
Bonds and a bunch of other athletes and "lift the veil" off PED use
in
track
and basball. If the question was "did the US Attorneys achieve their
goal?"
then I'd agree with you.

Home confinement isn't much. But more significantly, Trevor Graham
is
driving a
bus (last I knew). Tammy Thomas isn't in law school.

you're welcome,

Jim
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Jim
Jim Feeley
POV Media

I don't think it likely Barry Bonds will have to drive a bus anytime
soon.
Nothing Novitsky (or accomplices) has done will have had much, if
any,
impact on Barry Bonds' financial situation. Nor is it likely that
other
athletes are going to look at this case and say "Oh my goodness, I'd
better
not dope because look what happened to Barry Bonds' career!"

Too little, much too late.

Trevor who? And Tammy? You're talking horses of an entirely different
color
from Barry Bonds. Marion Jones would be a much better example.
Neither
Treovr nor Tammy could afford anything close to the quality of legal
counsel
that Barry (or Lance) can.

How many years have gone past without ANYTHING of substance (with the
exception of Marion Jones) coming out of all of this? How could it
possibly
be considered worthy of such effort? If Novitsky wants to make a
difference,
he needs to go after the people at the top, not athletes, not coaches
even,
but the team owners. Make it clear that nobody is above the law, and
maybe
you'll see a change in attitude

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

I hear what your saying. But maybe we can look at it this way:

The financial loses are bummer, but not the crux for any of the
defendents.
Trevor and Tammy both lost what they really cared about. Trevor can't
coach.
Tammy can't become a lawyer. Their tattered athletic reputations were
further
shredded. Bonds probably lost the chance to remove the asterisk from
his record;
he's branded a cheater, not the greatest baseball hitter ever.

And I agree that other athletes won't choose to not dope because of
the Bonds
verdict. But I don't know if that was one of Novitzky's goals.

I attended the Thomas and Graham trials, and part of the Bonds trial.
They all
had very good legal representation. Tammy's lawyer, Ethan Balogh, did
a great
job and the judge even said so from the bench (during sentencing,
IIRC). There's
a rumor that Balogh was partly compensated by some of Bonds' legal
team. Who
knows? I do know that a bunch of Bonds' team attended the trial,
probably just
treating her as a canary in a coal mine so they'd have a hint of how
the
government would present its case, how Novitzky and Catlin did on the
stand, and
all that. Bill Keane is a former US Attorney and he represented
Graham. Keane, a
private attorney, got paid through the Federal Public Defender system
(ie- by
you and me).

Now was it worth all the effort? Probably not. But Novitzky wasn't
spending the
money. And again, you could say that after all the press coverage, the
MLB's
reluctant implementation of steroid testing, the congressional
hearings, Bush's
mention of steroids in a state of the union address, the enlarged
asterisk next
to Bonds' record (and perhaps a pending erasure of that record),
Novitsky did
get what he wanted.

Is that the difference he "should" have wanted? I don't know. Did he
get some
balls rolling? Yes.

Was it worth the cost and will it have any lasting impact? Hmm...

Jim
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Jim
Jim Feeley
POV Media

All good points. Tammy especially, although I seem to have much less
sympathy for a coach like Trevor, and in fact think that Trevor and
those above him, the entire coaching chain, the franchise owners,
they're the ones who should have a responsibility for what goes on and
feel the strongest punishment. It should be treated as an ill-gotten
gains thing in my book; the franchise benefits from the cheating, so the
franchise should pay.

If you think about it, so far, they haven't gone after those who make
the rules. Think about that. Why do we expect the rules to change when
those who make them may be seen to benefit from the cheating that goes
on? Only when it has the potential to hurt those who make the rules will
the rules likely change for the better.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

I agree. Strange that Bonds, Thomas, et al are prosecuted for lying, but the
Wall Street execs who lied to Congress over issues of much greater import
aren't.

I'm following the reactions of sports czars to all these scandals:

http://twitter.com/#!/fakebudselig

http://twitter.com/#!/UCI_Overlord


BTW- the best long-term coverage of Bonds has been in The Onion.

Back in 2006:
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/ar...roids-reports-
everyone-who-has,1914/

After the first week of the Bonds trial:
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/ar...-steroidusing-
liar-barry-bon,19826/


I completely agree with your last paragraph. Sigh.

I think I'll go for a nice long ride tomorrow.

Jim

--
Jim
Jim Feeley
POV Media