Trek bike weights and tire sizes - ping Mike Jacoubowsky?

Hi Mike. I'm having trouble with a couple partics on getting my roadbike
lined up.

I'd like to know approximately where the road bikes drop to the under 19lbs
category. However I'd still like an option to put a wider 700x30 or x32-ish
tire on it if riding more rugged terrain - mind you I'm not really planning
on going off road. Are the lighter bikes limited to 700x28?

I know this might be incompatible with a racing bike...however Jamis seems
to have a bike that will accomplish this (it's probably in the 23-24lb
category, though).

So perhaps a better question is which Trek roughly compares with the Fuji
Roubaix and still allows a wider tire; and which one(s) roughly compares to
the Jamis Quest?

I think it deters potential buyers not to have the bike's weight and price
on the page. Trek used to have this, but afaik, both are omitted from the
catalogue and the web page...

I'm looking at the Trek 1200, the1500, and the 2100. Approx prices and
weights. No idea where the weight drops below 20lbs, though.

As a comparison, for Fuji, it's the Roubaix, and the price is 1300ish. Can
Trek meet or beat this bike on features and price?

jj

I think it deters potential buyers not to have the bike's weight and price
on the page. Trek used to have this, but afaik, both are omitted from the
catalogue and the web page...

Most manufacturers have dropped weights from their specs, because those that
do often list weights that are, er, a bit on the hopeful side? So you have
the choice of listing a bogus weight to look competitive, a real weight and
you look heavy, or no weight at all. No weight is probably the best choice,
and let the customer weigh the bikes in the shop and have something real to
compare.

I'm looking at the Trek 1200, the 1500, and the 2100. Approx prices and
weights. No idea where the weight drops below 20lbs, though.

Not sure, but I think the 1500 is a bit higher than 20, and the 2100, I
think, is almost exactly at 20lbs. I'll try and weigh a couple later today
if I have the time (could be a busy day; finally getting some really nice
weather here).

I'd like to know approximately where the road bikes drop to the under
19lbs
category. However I'd still like an option to put a wider 700x30 or
x32-ish
tire on it if riding more rugged terrain - mind you I'm not really
planning
on going off road. Are the lighter bikes limited to 700x28?

The only really nice road bike (and it's a *really* nice road bike) we stock
that's both very light and will handle tires as large as you're looking for
would be the Klein Reve. Don't ride one, as it's out of your price range,
difficult to find in the right size, and may blow you away. The elastomer at
the tail end really does work; my brother just picked up the Reve XX and is
having a great time with it. But, as I mentioned, it's more than you're
looking to spend at $1600. But if you want to tempt yourself, more info is
here- http://www.chainreaction.com/revvedupklien.htm

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com


"jj" wrote in message
...

Hi Mike. I'm having trouble with a couple partics on getting my roadbike
lined up.

I'd like to know approximately where the road bikes drop to the under
19lbs
category. However I'd still like an option to put a wider 700x30 or
x32-ish
tire on it if riding more rugged terrain - mind you I'm not really
planning
on going off road. Are the lighter bikes limited to 700x28?

I know this might be incompatible with a racing bike...however Jamis seems
to have a bike that will accomplish this (it's probably in the 23-24lb
category, though).

So perhaps a better question is which Trek roughly compares with the Fuji
Roubaix and still allows a wider tire; and which one(s) roughly compares
to
the Jamis Quest?

I think it deters potential buyers not to have the bike's weight and price
on the page. Trek used to have this, but afaik, both are omitted from the
catalogue and the web page...

I'm looking at the Trek 1200, the1500, and the 2100. Approx prices and
weights. No idea where the weight drops below 20lbs, though.

As a comparison, for Fuji, it's the Roubaix, and the price is 1300ish. Can
Trek meet or beat this bike on features and price?

jj

"jj" wrote in message ...

Hi Mike. I'm having trouble with a couple partics on getting my roadbike
lined up.

I'd like to know approximately where the road bikes drop to the under 19lbs
category. However I'd still like an option to put a wider 700x30 or x32-ish
tire on it if riding more rugged terrain - mind you I'm not really planning
on going off road. Are the lighter bikes limited to 700x28?

I can't answer your Trek questions, but I've got 700x26mm road tires on my road bike
(sport-tourer I think), and they work fine for occasional mud or light dirt trail riding.
I do have full fenders, which are a tricky fit on most road bikes, but very nice when it's
wet or muddy, and I have room for bigger tires (not sure how much would tire fit under
the fenders though), but no need.

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:15:57 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote:

I think it deters potential buyers not to have the bike's weight and price
on the page. Trek used to have this, but afaik, both are omitted from the
catalogue and the web page...

Most manufacturers have dropped weights from their specs, because those that
do often list weights that are, er, a bit on the hopeful side? So you have
the choice of listing a bogus weight to look competitive, a real weight and
you look heavy, or no weight at all. No weight is probably the best choice,
and let the customer weigh the bikes in the shop and have something real to
compare.

I'm looking at the Trek 1200, the 1500, and the 2100. Approx prices and
weights. No idea where the weight drops below 20lbs, though.

Not sure, but I think the 1500 is a bit higher than 20, and the 2100, I
think, is almost exactly at 20lbs. I'll try and weigh a couple later today
if I have the time (could be a busy day; finally getting some really nice
weather here).

I'd like to know approximately where the road bikes drop to the under
19lbs
category. However I'd still like an option to put a wider 700x30 or
x32-ish
tire on it if riding more rugged terrain - mind you I'm not really
planning
on going off road. Are the lighter bikes limited to 700x28?

The only really nice road bike (and it's a *really* nice road bike) we stock
that's both very light and will handle tires as large as you're looking for
would be the Klein Reve. Don't ride one, as it's out of your price range,
difficult to find in the right size, and may blow you away. The elastomer at
the tail end really does work; my brother just picked up the Reve XX and is
having a great time with it. But, as I mentioned, it's more than you're
looking to spend at $1600. But if you want to tempt yourself, more info is
here- http://www.chainreaction.com/revvedupklien.htm

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
Thanks, Mike

The V looks like a lot of bike for the money. Reves have those nice
smoothed welds, too, iirc. I could imagine going up to 1.6 or 1.7K if a
bike really makes me go 'wow'. I'll have to look into the elastomer thing.

Thanks for the link. (I swear we didn't pre-arrange this, group) ;-P
jj

You might have a typo he cut&pasted

3 GREAT MODELS

* Reve X ('105)

* Reve XV (Campy Veloce)

* Reve XX (Dura-Ace)

------------------------------------
Probably should be:

* Reve V ('105)

* Reve X (Campy Veloce)

* Reve XX (Dura-Ace)

I'm 60, 5'10", and weight a little over 200 pounds. I have a early Kline
Quantum. It is light, strong, quick, and rigid--but I'm none of these. My
feet get numb and I ride over about 3,000-4,000 miles of chip seal a
year--the ever increasing road buzz is wearing me down.

I love the quality of my Kline Quantum (know Trek now owns them) and this
attracts me the the Reve V. I like the idea of the Pilot 5.0 for fighting
buzz with carbon. I think both bikes can take a 28 width tire and with
about 90 pounds of pressure this would be a good buzz absorber. I need
real fenders (Oregon). I need a bicycle I can ride centuries and still
feel my feet.

Which of these is better? Are there better alternatives?

Alan Acock

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:31:37 -0600, "Alan C. Acock"
wrote:

I'm 60, 5'10", and weight a little over 200 pounds. I have a early Kline
Quantum. It is light, strong, quick, and rigid--but I'm none of these. My
feet get numb and I ride over about 3,000-4,000 miles of chip seal a
year--the ever increasing road buzz is wearing me down.

Chip seal - type of rough asphault...I can imagine that - we've kicked out
one road where we ride b/c of excessive buzz. Be interesting to compart a
bike on that stretch using carbon seat-stays and maybe that shock absorber
gasket they're touting - don't know about that - would it not be a fail
point?

From their site:
........snip.......
The all-new Rêve (pr. rev) road bicycle features and ultra-lightweight
aluminum and carbon frame with the tuneable s.p.a. (Suspension Performance
Advantage) shock absorbtion system. Tune your bike to Medium (100-150 lbs.)
Firm (150-200 lbs.) or Stiff (200 lbs. and up) for the ultimate in
lightweight, high-performance road cycling.
........snip.......

I love the quality of my Kline Quantum (know Trek now owns them) and this
attracts me the the Reve V. I like the idea of the Pilot 5.0 for fighting
buzz with carbon. I think both bikes can take a 28 width tire and with
about 90 pounds of pressure this would be a good buzz absorber.

Thing about the Pilot, is, what's the advantage of the V top tube versus
the straight bar top? They say 'more upright riding position', but why not
just get a longer stem, or flip the stem? I think I'm going to go with the
straight bar configurated bike next, but I do like the Pilot - just not
sure why they designed it like that? I -think- I'm moving away from the
'more upright riding position', myself. ;-)

I need real fenders (Oregon). I need a bicycle I can ride centuries and still
feel my feet.

I'm still working up to a century, but I can see where at 30 - 40 miles
per day, you would not want to be wet and muddy for nearly two hours, which
it sounds like your rides last.

Hasn't become an issue for me yet. Just solved the "hands/forearms getting
numb problem", myself, mostly. Guess numb feet come later, lol.

Which of these is better? Are there better alternatives?

Thanks for the great suggestions.

jj


Alan Acock

Alan C. Acock wrote:
I love the quality of my Kline Quantum (know Trek now owns them) and this
attracts me the the Reve V. I like the idea of the Pilot 5.0 for fighting
buzz with carbon. I think both bikes can take a 28 width tire and with
about 90 pounds of pressure this would be a good buzz absorber. I need
real fenders (Oregon). I need a bicycle I can ride centuries and still
feel my feet.

Which of these is better? Are there better alternatives?

If you want a bike with caliper brakes, and if you want to fit
both 28mm tires and fenders underneath those brakes, then you
really, really want long-reach calipers. In fact I'd argue that
if you want fenders on a bike with caliper brakes then you want
long-reach brakes regardless of tire size (life is too short to
spend it trying to eliminate fender rubbing in the teeny tiny space
under short-reach calipers), but with 28mm tires the long-reach
brakes are definitely required.

I know the Reve has long reach brakes, but I'm not sure about the
Pilot. If the latter lacks them then I think you have your answer.

As for comfort, I think the effect of the material the frame is
made from is hugely overrated. In order of importance some things
that influence comfort more strongly might be tires, tires, tires,
tires, handle bars and fork, seat and seat post, and frame geometry,
with frame material way, way behind these (if it matters at all).

Dennis Ferguson

Alan C. Acock wrote:

I'm 60, 5'10", and weight a little over 200 pounds. I have a early
Kline Quantum. It is light, strong, quick, and rigid--but I'm none of
these. My feet get numb and I ride over about 3,000-4,000 miles of
chip seal a year--the ever increasing road buzz is wearing me down.

I love the quality of my Kline Quantum (know Trek now owns them) and
this attracts me the the Reve V. I like the idea of the Pilot 5.0 for
fighting buzz with carbon. I think both bikes can take a 28 width
tire and with about 90 pounds of pressure this would be a good buzz
absorber. I need real fenders (Oregon). I need a bicycle I can ride
centuries and still feel my feet.

Which of these is better? Are there better alternatives?

Try the fatter tires, and see how they work for you. You may be surprised. Get
some fast ones though, like Avocets or Continentals. Also, some saddles with
elastomer rail mounts, like the Turbomatic, are really good at killing road
buzz. A Turbomatic saddle probably has at least as much vertical compliance and
damping as one of these new soft tail frames.

Matt O.