Pain v physiological thresholds ?

The announcers often announce "pushing pain barriers" when referring to someone with a psychological drive (off the front, wearing the yellow jersey, etc) to win on a given day.

In my experience pain was not the limiting factor to peak performance but physiological factors were (clearing blood lactate, limits of VO2 max, etc). One could always put themselves in more pain but their actual performance would erode. There is a 'sweet spot' where performance is maximized and this is almost always below the maximum pain limit (or known or expected) limits.

Is this the experience of others?

On Jul 8, 12:13*pm, Anton Berlin wrote:
The announcers often announce "pushing pain barriers" when referring to someone with a psychological drive (off the front, wearing the yellow jersey, etc) to win on a given day.

In my experience pain was not the limiting factor to peak performance but physiological factors were (clearing blood lactate, limits of VO2 max, etc). One could always put themselves in more pain but their actual performance would erode. *There is a 'sweet spot' where performance is maximized and this is almost always below the maximum pain limit (or known or expected) limits.

Is this the experience of others?

If someone learns to enjoy pain in an endurance/anaerobic sport, how
can performance not improve?

References:
1). Jan-Michael Vincent in Tribes
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066490/
2). Sam Elliott in Road House
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098206/

R
RBR Directeur Sportif & Connoisseur of B Movies

On Jul 8, 11:31*am, RicodJour wrote:
On Jul 8, 12:13*pm, Anton Berlin wrote:

The announcers often announce "pushing pain barriers" when referring to someone with a psychological drive (off the front, wearing the yellow jersey, etc) to win on a given day.

In my experience pain was not the limiting factor to peak performance but physiological factors were (clearing blood lactate, limits of VO2 max, etc). One could always put themselves in more pain but their actual performance would erode. *There is a 'sweet spot' where performance is maximized and this is almost always below the maximum pain limit (or known or expected) limits.

Is this the experience of others?

If someone learns to enjoy pain in an endurance/anaerobic sport, how
can performance not improve?

References:
1). *Jan-Michael Vincent in Tribeshttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066490/
2). *Sam Elliott in Road Househttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098206/

R
RBR Directeur Sportif & Connoisseur of B Movies

You left out Swayze in Roadhouse ?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098206/quotes

On Sunday, July 8, 2012 11:13:24 AM UTC-5, Anton Berlin wrote:
The announcers often announce "pushing pain barriers" when referring to someone with a psychological drive (off the front, wearing the yellow jersey, etc) to win on a given day.

In my experience pain was not the limiting factor to peak performance but physiological factors were (clearing blood lactate, limits of VO2 max, etc). One could always put themselves in more pain but their actual performance would erode. There is a 'sweet spot' where performance is maximized and this is almost always below the maximum pain limit (or known or expected) limits.

Is this the experience of others?

Once you've tapped your energy reserves or dehydrated your body to a critical point, I don't think there's any amount of will power that's going to let you keep up with a professional peloton.

On Jul 8, 5:13*pm, Anton Berlin wrote:
The announcers often announce "pushing pain barriers" when referring to someone with a psychological drive (off the front, wearing the yellow jersey, etc) to win on a given day.

In my experience pain was not the limiting factor to peak performance but physiological factors were (clearing blood lactate, limits of VO2 max, etc). One could always put themselves in more pain but their actual performance would erode.

Agreed.

There is a 'sweet spot' where performance is maximized and this is almost always below the maximum pain limit (or known or expected) limits.

Is this the experience of others?

Pain is not a useful indicator of when to ease off, but is useful in
telling one to blow off acid, drink water or take on salts, fats or
lemon. Ignoring pain leads to a continued decline in performance. To
learn, one must provoke the pain and find the solution to eradicate
it, whether that be by what one consumes, applies by massage or other
behaviours. As well as ineffective remvoal of acid, pain and
declining performance may also be caused through congested lymph.

On Jul 8, 1:43*pm, Anton Berlin wrote:
On Jul 8, 11:31*am, RicodJour wrote:

References:
1). *Jan-Michael Vincent in Tribeshttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066490/
2). *Sam Elliott in Road Househttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098206/

R
RBR Directeur Sportif & Connoisseur of B Movies

You left out Swayze in Roadhouse ?

Swayze (Dalton) idolized Elliott (Frank) and acknowledged that he was
the best in the business and ate pain.

Swayze started out as a ballet dancer. Leave it to you to go for the
guy in the tutu. ~

R