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On 2017-10-16 18:59, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:52:51 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-10-16 04:16, John B. wrote: On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 10:02:00 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-10-09 21:09, Tim McNamara wrote: [...] And a walk is inexpensive. Not really when seen per mile. I walk about two miles every day so that's around 700mi/year. A pair of $30 sports shoes wears out within a year so 4c/mile. I get more than that out of a road bike rear tire. Sandals don't wear out that fast for whatever reason but can't be used much in winter. Get rid of the shoes. The feet are self healing and will grow to accommodate even black top pavement. I would add, before you start you say it is impossible, that Zola Budd set the world 5,000 metre record running barefoot. Her mile best of 4:17.57 in 1985, still stands as the British record. Barefooted. Oh, I could, since I already walk and bicycle with sandals all summer long. Problem is, without any shoes one carries the dirt into the house because you can't switch feet at the entrance door, and that will make the missus grumpy (rightfully so). Especially when coming back from a dirt trail. How primitive. The Thais, who were essentially shoeless in years gone by solved the problem by placed a tub of water outside the door and washed their feet before going in the house. So the foot fungus from the first person is spread to all the others? P.S. We did the same thing working in the Jungle where one's boots tended to be covered with mud. Switching shoes is not primitive but way more practical and faster. It takes about two seconds. Can you clean and dry your boots this fast? [...] -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2017-10-17 07:48, wrote:
On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 7:34:28 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-10-16 22:38, wrote: On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 12:30:27 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 8:45:13 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote: [...] Another, "THE U.S. BICYCLE MARKET, A Trend Overview, Author: Brad Edmondson" (study period 2000 - 2010) counted anyone that has ridden 6 times in the last year, in one portion of the report and as anyone that has ridden 110 days in the past 12 months in another. Comparing the two statistics it appears that the 6 times a year numbers decreased over the study period from ~15% of the population to ~13% of the population. The 110 day riders remained basically flat from 8.7% of the population in 2000 to 8.1% in 2010. I am pretty sure I qualify as a serious, dedicated cyclist. But I don't know if I cycle 110 days per year. That is pretty much every three days. Little bit more than twice per week. Where I live I cycle 2 times in Dec-Jan-Feb months. And other weeks where I am lucky to cycle once per week. I should say I definitely cycled more than 110 days a year when I commuted to work. I cycled 250 days a year when I commuted to work. Less cycling days now that I don't commute or work. That is a serious bicycle user's profile. Same here and due to self-employment I also do not commute. Bicycle use is 4000mi/year, car use for tax year 2016 was a whopping 757 miles. One has to be willing to cycle 40 miles if that's required to get that spare part for a broken plumbing assembly. Where the usual temptation is to hop into the car. I've had a lot of problems with my or my brother's health this year what with crashing and his slowly going blind (luckily it appears in only one eye) so I presently have 3,100 miles and hopefully if all goes well may crack 4,000 by the end of the year if the weather cooperates. Weather doesn't faze me much. Last year I was waiting at a red traffic light, completely soaked T-shirt, a brown puddle forming under my MTB. A guy in the car next to me opens the passenger window. "Dude, it's raining out there!" ... "No, it's free bike wash day". Or as North Sea coastal residents say, there ain't no such thing as bad weather. There is only wrong clothing. Though for me that only applies when it gets close to or below freezing. Else it's always the default, jeans shorts and T-shirt. Body temperature is regulated via crank torque. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 10/17/2017 10:57 AM, Joerg wrote:
Or as North Sea coastal residents say, there ain't no such thing as bad weather. There is only wrong clothing. Though for me that only applies when it gets close to or below freezing. Else it's always the default, jeans shorts and T-shirt. Body temperature is regulated via crank torque. I'm aware of that "wrong clothing" aphorism, and I do think it's cute, but I can't accept it. I love cycling, but I put up with significant discomfort in some weather. For example, in hot humid weather (85 Fahrenheit, 70 dewpoint) it seems impossible for me to ride the uphill route to our grocery without arriving drenched in sweat. In fact, despite the store's AC, I'll still be dripping as I leave with a cart full of groceries. And while I can handle drizzle or light sprinkling rain, I still know of no way to be really comfortable in even moderate rain, especially with wind. In a cool climate (where, say 80F or 25C) is a typical maximum, where terrain is flat and cycling speeds are very slow, I think comfort would be much easier. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 2017-10-17 09:30, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/17/2017 10:57 AM, Joerg wrote: Or as North Sea coastal residents say, there ain't no such thing as bad weather. There is only wrong clothing. Though for me that only applies when it gets close to or below freezing. Else it's always the default, jeans shorts and T-shirt. Body temperature is regulated via crank torque. I'm aware of that "wrong clothing" aphorism, and I do think it's cute, but I can't accept it. I love cycling, but I put up with significant discomfort in some weather. For example, in hot humid weather (85 Fahrenheit, 70 dewpoint) it seems impossible for me to ride the uphill route to our grocery without arriving drenched in sweat. In fact, despite the store's AC, I'll still be dripping as I leave with a cart full of groceries. Sometimes I carry a 2nd T-shirt but you are right, if I change too quickly after a hot-weather high-power ride that one will be drenched soon as well. And while I can handle drizzle or light sprinkling rain, I still know of no way to be really comfortable in even moderate rain, especially with wind. Use one of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recumb...:Nzleitras.jpg https://inhabitat.com/innovative-swe...ks-like-a-car/ When it really pours I use a thin rain coat but the flapping about of those things isn't so great. In a cool climate (where, say 80F or 25C) is a typical maximum, where terrain is flat and cycling speeds are very slow, I think comfort would be much easier. Most of us would then probably fall asleep and crash :-) I lived in the Netherlands for a while and in the flat areas there, while temps are modest, one can face strong head winds. That can be very uncomfortable. You stand in the pedals, cranking as hard as you can and the needle of the speedometer barely lifts from the peg. According to Murphy's Law that wind will have completely died down by the time the return trip happens. Can be like that in other places as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KBJbhV-ia8 -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 17/10/2017 2:57 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-10-17 09:30, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/17/2017 10:57 AM, Joerg wrote: Or as North Sea coastal residents say, there ain't no such thing as bad weather. There is only wrong clothing. Though for me that only applies when it gets close to or below freezing. Else it's always the default, jeans shorts and T-shirt. Body temperature is regulated via crank torque. I'm aware of that "wrong clothing" aphorism, and I do think it's cute, but I can't accept it. I love cycling, but I put up with significant discomfort in some weather. For example, in hot humid weather (85 Fahrenheit, 70 dewpoint) it seems impossible for me to ride the uphill route to our grocery without arriving drenched in sweat. In fact, despite the store's AC, I'll still be dripping as I leave with a cart full of groceries. Sometimes I carry a 2nd T-shirt but you are right, if I change too quickly after a hot-weather high-power ride that one will be drenched soon as well. And while I can handle drizzle or light sprinkling rain, I still know of no way to be really comfortable in even moderate rain, especially with wind. Use one of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recumb...:Nzleitras.jpg https://inhabitat.com/innovative-swe...ks-like-a-car/ When it really pours I use a thin rain coat but the flapping about of those things isn't so great. In a cool climate (where, say 80F or 25C) is a typical maximum, where terrain is flat and cycling speeds are very slow, I think comfort would be much easier. Most of us would then probably fall asleep and crash :-) I lived in the Netherlands for a while and in the flat areas there, while temps are modest, one can face strong head winds. That can be very uncomfortable. You stand in the pedals, cranking as hard as you can and the needle of the speedometer barely lifts from the peg. According to Murphy's Law that wind will have completely died down by the time the return trip happens. Can be like that in other places as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KBJbhV-ia8 You stand on the pedals when tackling a tough headwind? I have to say that's not a tactic I've ever tried... |
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On 2017-10-17 13:13, Duane wrote:
On 17/10/2017 2:57 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-10-17 09:30, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/17/2017 10:57 AM, Joerg wrote: Or as North Sea coastal residents say, there ain't no such thing as bad weather. There is only wrong clothing. Though for me that only applies when it gets close to or below freezing. Else it's always the default, jeans shorts and T-shirt. Body temperature is regulated via crank torque. I'm aware of that "wrong clothing" aphorism, and I do think it's cute, but I can't accept it. I love cycling, but I put up with significant discomfort in some weather. For example, in hot humid weather (85 Fahrenheit, 70 dewpoint) it seems impossible for me to ride the uphill route to our grocery without arriving drenched in sweat. In fact, despite the store's AC, I'll still be dripping as I leave with a cart full of groceries. Sometimes I carry a 2nd T-shirt but you are right, if I change too quickly after a hot-weather high-power ride that one will be drenched soon as well. And while I can handle drizzle or light sprinkling rain, I still know of no way to be really comfortable in even moderate rain, especially with wind. Use one of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recumb...:Nzleitras.jpg https://inhabitat.com/innovative-swe...ks-like-a-car/ When it really pours I use a thin rain coat but the flapping about of those things isn't so great. In a cool climate (where, say 80F or 25C) is a typical maximum, where terrain is flat and cycling speeds are very slow, I think comfort would be much easier. Most of us would then probably fall asleep and crash :-) I lived in the Netherlands for a while and in the flat areas there, while temps are modest, one can face strong head winds. That can be very uncomfortable. You stand in the pedals, cranking as hard as you can and the needle of the speedometer barely lifts from the peg. According to Murphy's Law that wind will have completely died down by the time the return trip happens. Can be like that in other places as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KBJbhV-ia8 You stand on the pedals when tackling a tough headwind? I have to say that's not a tactic I've ever tried... You probably never lived in the Netherlands and had a 6-speed corn cob cassette. Standing in the pedals and hunched over the handlebar into the wind was a common mode of operation. Also for the guys riding heavy single-speed Dutch bikes. Sometimes it was like going up a steep hill and it wouldn't end. Nowadays most bikes have a 28T or 32T available in back and a granny ring up front. Not so in the olden days. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 1:34:31 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-10-17 13:13, Duane wrote: On 17/10/2017 2:57 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-10-17 09:30, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/17/2017 10:57 AM, Joerg wrote: Or as North Sea coastal residents say, there ain't no such thing as bad weather. There is only wrong clothing. Though for me that only applies when it gets close to or below freezing. Else it's always the default, jeans shorts and T-shirt. Body temperature is regulated via crank torque. I'm aware of that "wrong clothing" aphorism, and I do think it's cute, but I can't accept it. I love cycling, but I put up with significant discomfort in some weather. For example, in hot humid weather (85 Fahrenheit, 70 dewpoint) it seems impossible for me to ride the uphill route to our grocery without arriving drenched in sweat. In fact, despite the store's AC, I'll still be dripping as I leave with a cart full of groceries. Sometimes I carry a 2nd T-shirt but you are right, if I change too quickly after a hot-weather high-power ride that one will be drenched soon as well. And while I can handle drizzle or light sprinkling rain, I still know of no way to be really comfortable in even moderate rain, especially with wind. Use one of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recumb...:Nzleitras.jpg https://inhabitat.com/innovative-swe...ks-like-a-car/ When it really pours I use a thin rain coat but the flapping about of those things isn't so great. In a cool climate (where, say 80F or 25C) is a typical maximum, where terrain is flat and cycling speeds are very slow, I think comfort would be much easier. Most of us would then probably fall asleep and crash :-) I lived in the Netherlands for a while and in the flat areas there, while temps are modest, one can face strong head winds. That can be very uncomfortable. You stand in the pedals, cranking as hard as you can and the needle of the speedometer barely lifts from the peg. According to Murphy's Law that wind will have completely died down by the time the return trip happens. Can be like that in other places as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KBJbhV-ia8 You stand on the pedals when tackling a tough headwind? I have to say that's not a tactic I've ever tried... You probably never lived in the Netherlands and had a 6-speed corn cob cassette. Standing in the pedals and hunched over the handlebar into the wind was a common mode of operation. Also for the guys riding heavy single-speed Dutch bikes. Sometimes it was like going up a steep hill and it wouldn't end. Nowadays most bikes have a 28T or 32T available in back and a granny ring up front. Not so in the olden days. Yes, but try to tell that to the young people of today, and will they believe you? Noooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 3:53:46 PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote:
On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 1:34:31 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-10-17 13:13, Duane wrote: On 17/10/2017 2:57 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-10-17 09:30, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 10/17/2017 10:57 AM, Joerg wrote: Or as North Sea coastal residents say, there ain't no such thing as bad weather. There is only wrong clothing. Though for me that only applies when it gets close to or below freezing. Else it's always the default, jeans shorts and T-shirt. Body temperature is regulated via crank torque. I'm aware of that "wrong clothing" aphorism, and I do think it's cute, but I can't accept it. I love cycling, but I put up with significant discomfort in some weather. For example, in hot humid weather (85 Fahrenheit, 70 dewpoint) it seems impossible for me to ride the uphill route to our grocery without arriving drenched in sweat. In fact, despite the store's AC, I'll still be dripping as I leave with a cart full of groceries. Sometimes I carry a 2nd T-shirt but you are right, if I change too quickly after a hot-weather high-power ride that one will be drenched soon as well. And while I can handle drizzle or light sprinkling rain, I still know of no way to be really comfortable in even moderate rain, especially with wind. Use one of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recumb...:Nzleitras.jpg https://inhabitat.com/innovative-swe...ks-like-a-car/ When it really pours I use a thin rain coat but the flapping about of those things isn't so great. In a cool climate (where, say 80F or 25C) is a typical maximum, where terrain is flat and cycling speeds are very slow, I think comfort would be much easier. Most of us would then probably fall asleep and crash :-) I lived in the Netherlands for a while and in the flat areas there, while temps are modest, one can face strong head winds. That can be very uncomfortable. You stand in the pedals, cranking as hard as you can and the needle of the speedometer barely lifts from the peg. According to Murphy's Law that wind will have completely died down by the time the return trip happens. Can be like that in other places as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KBJbhV-ia8 You stand on the pedals when tackling a tough headwind? I have to say that's not a tactic I've ever tried... You probably never lived in the Netherlands and had a 6-speed corn cob cassette. Standing in the pedals and hunched over the handlebar into the wind was a common mode of operation. Also for the guys riding heavy single-speed Dutch bikes. Sometimes it was like going up a steep hill and it wouldn't end. Nowadays most bikes have a 28T or 32T available in back and a granny ring up front. Not so in the olden days. Yes, but try to tell that to the young people of today, and will they believe you? Noooooooooooooooooooooooo Geepers, Dad, did you really ride on corn-cobs? Didn't the corn get all over your chain, and golly, didn't they have steel back then? Huh? Huh? Huh? Well, Jimmy . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18ASBsQfXnw You want wind? This is where I ride: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAaHz6ns1aI&t=18s Go to 1:06 That's the problem with light bikes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H71dc1mCmv0 The Columbia River Gorge is a giant vent, and if you pick the wrong day to ride, it's miserable . . . until you turn around. Then it's f****** incredible! It's like riding an eBike all the way back to Portland (east wind in the winter) -- except for the climb from the falls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJzfJ4SVREM Sprint starts at 4:25. We had big wild fires out there, and I have to go out and see how badly it got burned up. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 07:47:55 -0700, Joerg
wrote: On 2017-10-16 18:59, John B. wrote: On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:52:51 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-10-16 04:16, John B. wrote: On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 10:02:00 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-10-09 21:09, Tim McNamara wrote: [...] And a walk is inexpensive. Not really when seen per mile. I walk about two miles every day so that's around 700mi/year. A pair of $30 sports shoes wears out within a year so 4c/mile. I get more than that out of a road bike rear tire. Sandals don't wear out that fast for whatever reason but can't be used much in winter. Get rid of the shoes. The feet are self healing and will grow to accommodate even black top pavement. I would add, before you start you say it is impossible, that Zola Budd set the world 5,000 metre record running barefoot. Her mile best of 4:17.57 in 1985, still stands as the British record. Barefooted. Oh, I could, since I already walk and bicycle with sandals all summer long. Problem is, without any shoes one carries the dirt into the house because you can't switch feet at the entrance door, and that will make the missus grumpy (rightfully so). Especially when coming back from a dirt trail. How primitive. The Thais, who were essentially shoeless in years gone by solved the problem by placed a tub of water outside the door and washed their feet before going in the house. So the foot fungus from the first person is spread to all the others? Foot fungus is very rare in places where people don't wear shoes :-) But those canny Thais don't wash their feet in the common tub. what they do is dip some clean water out of the tub and slosh it over their feet to get them clean. P.S. We did the same thing working in the Jungle where one's boots tended to be covered with mud. Switching shoes is not primitive but way more practical and faster. It takes about two seconds. Can you clean and dry your boots this fast? [...] -- Cheers, John B. |
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