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Claire Petersky wrote:
"Badger_South" wrote in message ... Would you rather we get together and knit you an antimacassar? g Aren't those typically crocheted, or even better, tatted? I thought they were what women use to remove mascara. Bill "poking back out now" S. |
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"Badger_South" Tried this out, and it works -great-. Variations of it work very well for me, too. Thanks for sharing. -B Glad to hear it works for you too. When the hill is steeper and the breathing is heavier I hammer down the pedel and breathe out on every fifth stroke. I think the rytm must be odd in order to stress the two legs equally. Ivar |
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I'll stay with my comment to so many ride reports, "If you didn't like
it, don't tell me about it." I believe there is more to bicycling than the effort, especially on remote roads away from the competitive daily grind. So it would be your opinion that I should have stayed quiet about the Sonora Pass ride in 2000 where we got nailed by the remnants of tropical storm Carlotta? http://www.chainreaction.com/sonora2000.htm It's all about pain & suffering, bonking and blowing up. It's also just one tale about riding a bike. A tale that might help someone better prepare for a trip to the Sierras, or simply a story about a good ride gone bad. Is this really what bicycling means to the many riders I see with their expensive equipment? What does the cost of equipment have to do with anything? Nothing. The bicycle is a tool and, while different tools have different limitations, the challenge is entirely within the mind of the rider. My dreams & challenges were, if anything, more vivid and daring when I rode a Schwinn Varsity than they are now, on my Trek 5900. Of course "there is more to bicycling than the effort" but why do you want to take away from those who enjoy a challenge (or enjoy reading about them)? I think we're better off, not worse, when people willingly push their limits and accept new challenges. But that's not to say there's anything at all wrong with somebody whose idea of an enjoyable bike ride is along the levees in Foster City, taking their time and aware of their surroundings on a level that can only be achieved when totally relaxed. But perhaps you object to something else- something the entertainment industry has long-known- that people are more interested in watching (and reading) stories about bold, daring & dangerous things than watching a show about Ansel Adams. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com wrote in message ... I am amazed how many masochist bicyclists there seem to be, all this talk of suffering and pain, bonking and blowing up. There is no one giving merit badges for these tales of woe except in the imagination of the writer. Is this really what bicycling means to the many riders I see with their expensive equipment? I'll stay with my comment to so many ride reports, "If you didn't like it, don't tell me about it." I believe there is more to bicycling than the effort, especially on remote roads away from the competitive daily grind. Jobst Brandt |
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I'll stay with my comment to so many ride reports, "If you didn't like
it, don't tell me about it." $5 to the first reader to spot the logical fallacy in this argument. Chris Neary "We will teach our twisted speech to the young believers" -- The Clash |
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Claire Petersky wrote:
"Badger_South" wrote in message ... Would you rather we get together and knit you an antimacassar? g Aren't those typically crocheted, or even better, tatted? I can knit lace.... -km, Master Knitter -- Only cowards fight kids -- unidentified Moscow protester http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts proud to be owned by a yorkie |
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:51:16 GMT, the black rose
wrote: Claire Petersky wrote: "Badger_South" wrote in message ... Would you rather we get together and knit you an antimacassar? g Aren't those typically crocheted, or even better, tatted? I can knit lace.... -km, Master Knitter You're a virtual national treasure. ;-) -B (uh, and renaissance man, girl division.) |
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Terry Morse wrote in message ...
wrote: The "quiet upper body" riding is a development in the pursuit of excessive spinning, where saddle bounce becomes a problem. If you observe anyone racing you'll notice that riders lunge onto the downward stroke if working anywhere near top performance. This is not an option but a necessity. All out sprinting aside, a lunging upper body is a telltale sign of trying to maintain speed in too high a gear. For an experienced rider, dropping to a lower gear should make it go away. The notion that one must lunge over each pedal to generate high power is old school myth and lore. The limit to performance on climbs is the heart, not the amount of force once can put into a pedal. Lowering the gear ratio reduces the maximum pedal force, removing the need for upper body gymnastics. If you get a chance to see the 2004 Tour de France DVD, watch Armstrong as he climbs l'Alpe d'Huez. His upper body is relaxed and virtually motionless -- all the way to the finish (except when he sprints to the finish out of the saddle). His cadence appears to be 80-85, for a full 40 minutes of near maximum effort climbing. Another good person to watch is Miguel Indurain. It's really amazing to watch Miguel climb almost in saddle while his opponents struggle to keep up while climbing out of the saddle. Riding with no upper body motion is possible only when riding at a less than maximum effort where an optional style is drawn from extra effort, something riders cannot do for long when working hard. I don't understand your point. Riders can't maintain a maximum effort for long, regardless of their form. I think it's confusing the point to bring up maximum effort riding when discussing riding style. It should be obvious that a quiet upper body is more aerobically efficient than one that's moving "all over the machine", as Phil Liggett would say. Throwing upper body weight around is an attempt to shove a few more pounds of force into a pedal, which should not be confused with power. A low-torque engine that runs at high RPMs can put out as much power as a high-torque engine with low RPMs. Regarding maximum effort, consider the following: Time trial specialists can ride for an hour well above their lactate thresholds, yet many ride with rock-solid upper bodies. Jan Ullrich is a good example. |
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One trick I use in my low budget, low talent pursuit of pro-looking
cadences is to do four pedal revolutions per breath cycle, or some variant of that. You can adjust it to your particular ability/style. If you shift up too much, and adopt a cadence that is too low, you won't be able to complete the four revolutions before you have to take a breath again, because each rev will be too hard, and therefore, too slow. This way you can force yourself to keep a high cadence. |
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"remove the polite word to reply" wrote in message om... One trick I use in my low budget, low talent pursuit of pro-looking cadences is to do four pedal revolutions per breath cycle, or some variant of that. If you want to look like a pro then why do you do something they don't do? You can adjust it to your particular ability/style. If you shift up too much, and adopt a cadence that is too low, you won't be able to complete the four revolutions before you have to take a breath again, because each rev will be too hard, and therefore, too slow. This is dumb and does not determine the most efficient cadence to be used at any given time. This way you can force yourself to keep a high cadence. You should not force your breathing to do anything other than what your cardiovascular system needs at that time. If you can't manage to do a simple thing like maintain cadence then buy a cheap cadence sensor and stare at that for awhile. -WG |
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