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New B&M 100lux headlight.
On 17/12/17 07:58, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 12:06:53 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote: I would expect to see something lit up in the distance beyond the columns. Nope. The light stops dead in it tracks after passing the columns. Original photo: https://www.bumm.de/files/Produkte/80%20Lux%20-%20Ausleuchtung%20IQ-Premium.jpg I was wrong. There really is some detail in the dark areas beyond the columns. I did some contrast and gamma tweaking with Irfanview, which brought out some detail: http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/Cygo-Premium/80%20Lux%20-%20Ausleuchtung%20IQ-Premium%20-%20contrast-adjusted.jpg I didn't need to manipulate the image to see in to the shadows. Your eyesight or computah monitor might be substandard. So, it might be real, where the Photoshop job removed all the expected floor debris, ceiling hangers, and column fasteners which I would expect in such an underground garage. What are you talking about? There are rails on the ceiling as clear as day, probably used to move that backdrop sheet to different distances from the light. There's also what could be a cable duct between 10 & 20m. So the floor is clean. Would t be better to have it looking like a filthy car garage? It's their underground test lab no doubt! Or, the background might have been borrowed from a Poser or DAZ 3D libraries. I'm sure the photo was edited, but I don't know to what degree. Would you buy a headlight from a company that fakes their demo/test photos? Well I have one. It lives up to the advertising. Drivel: You said it! -- JS |
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New B&M 100lux headlight.
On 17/12/17 07:58, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 12:06:53 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote: I would expect to see something lit up in the distance beyond the columns. Nope. The light stops dead in it tracks after passing the columns. Original photo: https://www.bumm.de/files/Produkte/80%20Lux%20-%20Ausleuchtung%20IQ-Premium.jpg I was wrong. There really is some detail in the dark areas beyond the columns. I did some contrast and gamma tweaking with Irfanview, which brought out some detail: http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/Cygo-Premium/80%20Lux%20-%20Ausleuchtung%20IQ-Premium%20-%20contrast-adjusted.jpg So, it might be real, where the Photoshop job removed all the expected floor debris, ceiling hangers, and column fasteners which I would expect in such an underground garage. Your image obliterates the marks on the concrete that I can see in the original. Either you can see where it has been swept clean or there are marks in the concrete where it was smoothed when poured. -- JS |
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New B&M 100lux headlight.
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 07:46:26 +1100, James
wrote: I doubt they would go to the extent of all that fakery. We'll just have to ignore the Photoshop record in the EXIF tag on the photo. Sure, they need to add the distance markers and clean up their test photos with Photoshop. However, once the editing starts, how far should they go? Much easier to set up the lights and take a photo. Yep. They also need to clean floor, remove any skid marks, pile the boxes so they look nice and neat, and hide anything that might be deemed "unsightly" on the ceiling. I think you're trying to pick holes for the hell of it. Yep. It's my idea of fun. However, I'm burning too much time and have some things that need to be done today. I'll be back probably tomorrow or Monday. Meanwhile, here's the best I can do with ImageJ2 and false coloring: http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/Cygo-Premium/80%20Lux%20-%20Ausleuchtung%20IQ-Premium%20-%20false%20color.jpg I may also have been wrong about the light distribution at the base of the columns. In false color, it looks mostly right. But regardless of all that suspicion, the photos are there to illustrate the difference between many of their lights. They show the beam shapes, illumination on a road-like surface, and expected range. If the bed sheet hadn't been hung at 45 meters, the reflection off the road would have shown zero reflected light. If it didn't reach about 45m, don't you think there would be an outpouring of criticism and such on the internet? Dunno. I ride rather slowly and am therefore only interested in obstacles perhaps 8 meters in front of me. My guess(tm) is that about 90% of the discussions in RBT involve some form of criticism. Not to worry. I'm used to it. More later. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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New B&M 100lux headlight.
On 17/12/17 08:51, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 07:46:26 +1100, James wrote: I doubt they would go to the extent of all that fakery. We'll just have to ignore the Photoshop record in the EXIF tag on the photo. Sure, they need to add the distance markers and clean up their test photos with Photoshop. However, once the editing starts, how far should they go? Much easier to set up the lights and take a photo. Yep. They also need to clean floor, remove any skid marks, pile the boxes so they look nice and neat, and hide anything that might be deemed "unsightly" on the ceiling. I think you're trying to pick holes for the hell of it. Yep. It's my idea of fun. However, I'm burning too much time and have some things that need to be done today. I'll be back probably tomorrow or Monday. Meanwhile, here's the best I can do with ImageJ2 and false coloring: http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/Cygo-Premium/80%20Lux%20-%20Ausleuchtung%20IQ-Premium%20-%20false%20color.jpg I may also have been wrong about the light distribution at the base of the columns. In false color, it looks mostly right. Wow. Such striking similarity to https://www.bumm.de/files/Technologie/IQ-TEC%20vs%20IQ-Premium.jpg. Whoda thunk it! But regardless of all that suspicion, the photos are there to illustrate the difference between many of their lights. They show the beam shapes, illumination on a road-like surface, and expected range. If the bed sheet hadn't been hung at 45 meters, the reflection off the road would have shown zero reflected light. What is important is to see obstacles and such _on_ the road surface, not necessarily the surface itself, so job done. If it didn't reach about 45m, don't you think there would be an outpouring of criticism and such on the internet? Dunno. I ride rather slowly and am therefore only interested in obstacles perhaps 8 meters in front of me. My guess(tm) is that about 90% of the discussions in RBT involve some form of criticism. Not to worry. I'm used to it. More later. That's why I'm criticizing your criticisms! -- JS |
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On 17/12/17 09:15, James wrote:
On 17/12/17 08:51, Jeff Liebermann wrote: My guess(tm) is that about 90% of the discussions in RBT involve some form of criticism.Â* Not to worry.Â* I'm used to it. More later. That's why I'm criticizing your criticisms! I always strive to live up to expectations. Poor ol' Baz can't seem to handle the heat in the frying pan, and after his personal email to me, I don't see much hope for his recovery. I think he's lost the plot, poor fellow. -- JS |
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On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 12:10:50 PM UTC-8, James wrote:
On 17/12/17 04:06, jbeattie wrote: On the Urban, beam shaping is non-existent, but I do like the pulse flash for non-injurious conspicuity. Conspicuity or discombobulation? For low light (as opposed to no light) conditions, the pulsing is nice and not seizure inducing. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 12/16/2017 3:58 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
I was wrong. That phrase is very rare on Usenet! Congratulations on your honesty! There really is some detail in the dark areas beyond the columns. I did some contrast and gamma tweaking with Irfanview, which brought out some detail: http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/Cygo-Premium/80%20Lux%20-%20Ausleuchtung%20IQ-Premium%20-%20contrast-adjusted.jpg So, it might be real, where the Photoshop job removed all the expected floor debris, ceiling hangers, and column fasteners which I would expect in such an underground garage. Or, the background might have been borrowed from a Poser or DAZ 3D libraries. I'm sure the photo was edited, but I don't know to what degree. Would you buy a headlight from a company that fakes their demo/test photos? Is it "faked" or is it clarified? I'd use the former term only if the effect and intent was deception. But I've bought several of their headlights. IME all performed as expected or better, consistent with the beam shots I found. I don't think there was anything dishonest happening. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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New B&M 100lux headlight.
Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 12:06:53 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote: I would expect to see something lit up in the distance beyond the columns. Nope. The light stops dead in it tracks after passing the columns. Could that be all that clean diesel soot hidden back there? Original photo: https://www.bumm.de/files/Produkte/80%20Lux%20-%20Ausleuchtung%20IQ-Premium.jpg I was wrong. There really is some detail in the dark areas beyond the columns. I did some contrast and gamma tweaking with Irfanview, which brought out some detail: http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/Cygo-Premium/80%20Lux%20-%20Ausleuchtung%20IQ-Premium%20-%20contrast-adjusted.jpg So, it might be real, where the Photoshop job removed all the expected floor debris, ceiling hangers, and column fasteners which I would expect in such an underground garage. Or, the background might have been borrowed from a Poser or DAZ 3D libraries. I'm sure the photo was edited, but I don't know to what degree. Their Artist photo(shop)grapher is likely to have signed a bummer NDA, but you could always try and ask info at bumm d0t de Would you buy a headlight from a company that fakes their demo/test photos? As long as their product is what I expected and they don't also fake their customer service: possibly yes. Afaics, bumm's English claim merely is "We show real light fields of all of our headlights." This doesn't go as far as to be claiming complete light fields, single-photo pictures or pictures taken in more real surroundings than those secret NASA Fake Moon studios Barry divulged. I like bumm's garage series better than their previous, ridiculously bright tunnel exit series. But they should not have hired Mr. von der Heiden, apparently their product rendering designer, to build their garage, mess with the mandatory emergency lighting, pour concrete over the garage's drain, and obstruct an exit with flammable textiles. |
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On 12/16/2017 7:29 PM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 12:06:53 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote: I would expect to see something lit up in the distance beyond the columns. Nope. The light stops dead in it tracks after passing the columns. Could that be all that clean diesel soot hidden back there? Original photo: https://www.bumm.de/files/Produkte/80%20Lux%20-%20Ausleuchtung%20IQ-Premium.jpg I was wrong. There really is some detail in the dark areas beyond the columns. I did some contrast and gamma tweaking with Irfanview, which brought out some detail: http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/Cygo-Premium/80%20Lux%20-%20Ausleuchtung%20IQ-Premium%20-%20contrast-adjusted.jpg So, it might be real, where the Photoshop job removed all the expected floor debris, ceiling hangers, and column fasteners which I would expect in such an underground garage. Or, the background might have been borrowed from a Poser or DAZ 3D libraries. I'm sure the photo was edited, but I don't know to what degree. Their Artist photo(shop)grapher is likely to have signed a bummer NDA, but you could always try and ask info at bumm d0t de Would you buy a headlight from a company that fakes their demo/test photos? As long as their product is what I expected and they don't also fake their customer service: possibly yes. Afaics, bumm's English claim merely is "We show real light fields of all of our headlights." This doesn't go as far as to be claiming complete light fields, single-photo pictures or pictures taken in more real surroundings than those secret NASA Fake Moon studios Barry divulged. I like bumm's garage series better than their previous, ridiculously bright tunnel exit series. But they should not have hired Mr. von der Heiden, apparently their product rendering designer, to build their garage, mess with the mandatory emergency lighting, pour concrete over the garage's drain, and obstruct an exit with flammable textiles. Maybe the flammable textile was a subtle dig at our mega-lumen fanatics, whose headlamps would have set it on fire! -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 08:12:57 +1100, James
wrote: On 17/12/17 07:58, Jeff Liebermann wrote: Original photo: https://www.bumm.de/files/Produkte/80%20Lux%20-%20Ausleuchtung%20IQ-Premium.jpg I was wrong. There really is some detail in the dark areas beyond the columns. I did some contrast and gamma tweaking with Irfanview, which brought out some detail: http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/bicycles/Cygo-Premium/80%20Lux%20-%20Ausleuchtung%20IQ-Premium%20-%20contrast-adjusted.jpg I didn't need to manipulate the image to see in to the shadows. Your eyesight or computah monitor might be substandard. My eyesight sucks but is good enough to pass a driving test without glasses. My monitor is a Samsung SyncMaster 243T. 24", 1920x1200, and a mediocre 500:1 contrast ratio. It's a a-si TFT/PVA panel, not an IPS so it doesn't work too well near black. The video card is an NVIDIA GeForce GT640. These were both state of the art circa 2003 or so. No matter what I do to play with the display contrast, brightness, and color temp, I still can't see the dim detail in the dark areas. So, it might be real, where the Photoshop job removed all the expected floor debris, ceiling hangers, and column fasteners which I would expect in such an underground garage. What are you talking about? There are rails on the ceiling as clear as day, probably used to move that backdrop sheet to different distances from the light. There's also what could be a cable duct between 10 & 20m. That's the problem... they're too clear as day. They're absolutely perfect and pristine. I haven't been in too many office building underground parking garages, but the one's I have seen don't look anything like the photo. This is what a high end garage should look like: http://eemcnow.net/wp-content/uploads/thread-bmw-secret-underground-garage-unvieled_373162.jpg It's the fabled BMW secret underground garage. I call to your attention: 1. The far more numerous overhead sprinklers in the BMW photo. A single string of sprinklers would not protect a 45 meter long area. 2. The inclusion of lighting fixtures in the BMW photo, which seem to be totally absent in the original photo. 3. The concrete floor in the BMW photo, instead of what looks like asphalt in the original photo. It's concrete because it's part of the building foundation. 4. The posting of parking stall numbers and signs on the plumbing in the BMW photo. In the US, there would be conspicuous "emergency exit" and "fire extinguisher" signs. 5. The columns in the BMW garage have beveled edges to prevent chipping. The original photo has sharp edges. 6. The painted lane lines are far too perfect to be for real. The dashed center line is missing the dashes nearest the bicycle. 7. The rather odd bracketry at the top of the columns in the original photo. These seem reminiscent of redwood deck hangers and are not the way concrete pillars are done. They use internal rebar supports molded into the concrete beams. In my never humble opinion, the light pattern on the floor is probably real, but the rest of the garage is fabrication. So the floor is clean. Would t be better to have it looking like a filthy car garage? It's their underground test lab no doubt! I'm not suggesting a filthy garage. Just one that has the usual janitorial supplies, dead equipment, and emergency survival supplies in preparation for the zombie apocalypse. Well I have one. It lives up to the advertising. Oh-oh. You seem to have a vested interest in maintaining the reputation of the headlight and Busch + Müller. You probably should disqualify yourself from this discussion. Drivel: You said it! Right. It is drivel. Did you try the Photoshop test? It wasn't easy and I had to resort to guessing on about 8 of the photos. I went through it again, and still managed to miss 6 out of 25 photos. A talented artist can make most anything look real with Photoshop. The problem here is that he apparently made it look too real. Out of time (again). I'll be back probably tomorrow. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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