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Old August 14th 18, 10:58 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B. Slocomb
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:17:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 10:34:22 AM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:00:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 8/11/2018 9:26 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 11, 2018 at 5:50:09 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/b...list-west-side

Who doesn't get shot in Chicago? I'd be surprised if a cyclist didn't get shot.


You have a good point the
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/n...-park-shooting

Chicago has among the most restrictive sets of anti-firearm
legislation in the country. How's that working out?



Well, as everyone knows, if you make a law against something people
will stop doing it.

There are many examples in U.S. history. The Volstead Act comes to
mind here as a particularly effective example of this.


This was very odd - most of the people of the world normally drank something alcoholic with dinner. To interfere with that only could have been attempted by some sort of insane congress.


As the so called Volstead act, involved the 18th amendment of the U.S.
constitution it required ratification by the states. The details of
the act wee as followed:

On August 1, 1917, the Senate passed a resolution containing the
language of the amendment to be presented to the states for
ratification. The vote was 65 to 20, with the Democrats voting 36 in
favor and 12 in opposition; and the Republicans voting 29 in favor and
8 in opposition. The House of Representatives passed a revised
resolution[7] on December 17, 1917.

In the House, the vote was 282 to 128, with the Democrats voting 141
in favor and 64 in opposition; and the Republicans voting 137 in favor
and 62 in opposition. Four Independents in the House voted in favor
and two Independents cast votes against the amendment.[9] It was
officially proposed by the Congress to the states when the Senate
passed the resolution, by a vote of 47 to 8, the next day.

When the act was offered to the states for ratification 46, of the
then 48 states, voted for the act.

It appears that, by a very wide margin, the U.S. demonstrated that
they DID NOT want a glass of wine with their supper.

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Old August 14th 18, 11:39 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 8/14/2018 4:17 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 10:34:22 AM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:00:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 8/11/2018 9:26 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 11, 2018 at 5:50:09 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/b...list-west-side

Who doesn't get shot in Chicago? I'd be surprised if a cyclist didn't get shot.


You have a good point the
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/n...-park-shooting

Chicago has among the most restrictive sets of anti-firearm
legislation in the country. How's that working out?



Well, as everyone knows, if you make a law against something people
will stop doing it.

There are many examples in U.S. history. The Volstead Act comes to
mind here as a particularly effective example of this.


This was very odd - most of the people of the world normally drank something alcoholic with dinner. To interfere with that only could have been attempted by some sort of insane congress.


Oh, if that were the end of it! The Volstead Act was bad
enough but it was merely statutory codification of the 18th
Amendment. The necessary 3/5 of State legislatures jumped on
that miserable bandwagon.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxviii
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #13  
Old August 15th 18, 01:16 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B. Slocomb
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 17:39:52 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 8/14/2018 4:17 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 10:34:22 AM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:00:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 8/11/2018 9:26 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 11, 2018 at 5:50:09 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/b...list-west-side

Who doesn't get shot in Chicago? I'd be surprised if a cyclist didn't get shot.


You have a good point the
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/n...-park-shooting

Chicago has among the most restrictive sets of anti-firearm
legislation in the country. How's that working out?


Well, as everyone knows, if you make a law against something people
will stop doing it.

There are many examples in U.S. history. The Volstead Act comes to
mind here as a particularly effective example of this.


This was very odd - most of the people of the world normally drank something alcoholic with dinner. To interfere with that only could have been attempted by some sort of insane congress.


Oh, if that were the end of it! The Volstead Act was bad
enough but it was merely statutory codification of the 18th
Amendment. The necessary 3/5 of State legislatures jumped on
that miserable bandwagon.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxviii


Ah but the 18th amendment was ratified by 46/48 states.
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Old August 17th 18, 08:34 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 2:58:22 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:17:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 10:34:22 AM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:00:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 8/11/2018 9:26 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 11, 2018 at 5:50:09 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/b...list-west-side

Who doesn't get shot in Chicago? I'd be surprised if a cyclist didn't get shot.


You have a good point the
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/n...-park-shooting

Chicago has among the most restrictive sets of anti-firearm
legislation in the country. How's that working out?


Well, as everyone knows, if you make a law against something people
will stop doing it.

There are many examples in U.S. history. The Volstead Act comes to
mind here as a particularly effective example of this.


This was very odd - most of the people of the world normally drank something alcoholic with dinner. To interfere with that only could have been attempted by some sort of insane congress.


As the so called Volstead act, involved the 18th amendment of the U.S.
constitution it required ratification by the states. The details of
the act wee as followed:

On August 1, 1917, the Senate passed a resolution containing the
language of the amendment to be presented to the states for
ratification. The vote was 65 to 20, with the Democrats voting 36 in
favor and 12 in opposition; and the Republicans voting 29 in favor and
8 in opposition. The House of Representatives passed a revised
resolution[7] on December 17, 1917.

In the House, the vote was 282 to 128, with the Democrats voting 141
in favor and 64 in opposition; and the Republicans voting 137 in favor
and 62 in opposition. Four Independents in the House voted in favor
and two Independents cast votes against the amendment.[9] It was
officially proposed by the Congress to the states when the Senate
passed the resolution, by a vote of 47 to 8, the next day.

When the act was offered to the states for ratification 46, of the
then 48 states, voted for the act.

It appears that, by a very wide margin, the U.S. demonstrated that
they DID NOT want a glass of wine with their supper.


Tell us all John - how many of those congressmen were representatives of anyone other than prohibition white people? The very fact that whiskey, beer and wine were immediately made underground proves that the majority of the population was NOT represented. The act allowed you to make wine for your personal use. But wine has to be make in large quantities to be correct. And not a lot of people know who to make wine properly - so my grandfather used to make it for the entire Slav neighborhood. So he always had a 150 gallon barrel with the fresh squeeze, another 150 gallon barrel aging and another 150 gallon being used. This was totally illegal under prohibition but the Slavs, Italians, Pols, Portuguese, Spanish and French ALL did the same thing.

Underground breweries were everywhere. And the big time gangs made whiskey sometimes better than the best from European distillers. There wee speakeasys on every block.

I really don't think that some man whose ancestry probably comes from Devonshire should be telling the rest of the world about representation in the 1920's. You know, when Chinese were limited to the ghettos called Chinatowns and when blacks were forced to "separate but equal" laws, blacks only restrooms and forced to sit in the backs of buses. Not to mention sticking Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps so that FDR's pals could seize their property and bank accounts.

I don't know who or what you think you are but I or my family lived through this crap. I remember when blacks were limited to the back of the buses. My best childhood friend grew up in a concentration camp and his sister, my classmate, was born there.

Prohibition probably caused more drunks than there were before. Most of the white men that grew up in prohibition and lived in my area would never draw a sober breath. The morning after you had to have a "hair of the dog" which started the whole damn cycle again.

The only responsible and respectable people in my neighborhood were almost entirely blacks. Those people you seem to think were represented by Woodrow Wilson's Congress as they wrote segregation laws.
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Old August 17th 18, 09:04 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default no mountain lions in Chicago

On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 12:34:58 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 2:58:22 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:17:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 10:34:22 AM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:00:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 8/11/2018 9:26 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 11, 2018 at 5:50:09 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/b...list-west-side

Who doesn't get shot in Chicago? I'd be surprised if a cyclist didn't get shot.


You have a good point the
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/n...-park-shooting

Chicago has among the most restrictive sets of anti-firearm
legislation in the country. How's that working out?


Well, as everyone knows, if you make a law against something people
will stop doing it.

There are many examples in U.S. history. The Volstead Act comes to
mind here as a particularly effective example of this.

This was very odd - most of the people of the world normally drank something alcoholic with dinner. To interfere with that only could have been attempted by some sort of insane congress.


As the so called Volstead act, involved the 18th amendment of the U.S.
constitution it required ratification by the states. The details of
the act wee as followed:

On August 1, 1917, the Senate passed a resolution containing the
language of the amendment to be presented to the states for
ratification. The vote was 65 to 20, with the Democrats voting 36 in
favor and 12 in opposition; and the Republicans voting 29 in favor and
8 in opposition. The House of Representatives passed a revised
resolution[7] on December 17, 1917.

In the House, the vote was 282 to 128, with the Democrats voting 141
in favor and 64 in opposition; and the Republicans voting 137 in favor
and 62 in opposition. Four Independents in the House voted in favor
and two Independents cast votes against the amendment.[9] It was
officially proposed by the Congress to the states when the Senate
passed the resolution, by a vote of 47 to 8, the next day.

When the act was offered to the states for ratification 46, of the
then 48 states, voted for the act.

It appears that, by a very wide margin, the U.S. demonstrated that
they DID NOT want a glass of wine with their supper.


Tell us all John - how many of those congressmen were representatives of anyone other than prohibition white people? The very fact that whiskey, beer and wine were immediately made underground proves that the majority of the population was NOT represented. The act allowed you to make wine for your personal use. But wine has to be make in large quantities to be correct. And not a lot of people know who to make wine properly - so my grandfather used to make it for the entire Slav neighborhood. So he always had a 150 gallon barrel with the fresh squeeze, another 150 gallon barrel aging and another 150 gallon being used. This was totally illegal under prohibition but the Slavs, Italians, Pols, Portuguese, Spanish and French ALL did the same thing.

Underground breweries were everywhere. And the big time gangs made whiskey sometimes better than the best from European distillers. There wee speakeasys on every block.

I really don't think that some man whose ancestry probably comes from Devonshire should be telling the rest of the world about representation in the 1920's. You know, when Chinese were limited to the ghettos called Chinatowns and when blacks were forced to "separate but equal" laws, blacks only restrooms and forced to sit in the backs of buses. Not to mention sticking Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps so that FDR's pals could seize their property and bank accounts.

I don't know who or what you think you are but I or my family lived through this crap. I remember when blacks were limited to the back of the buses. My best childhood friend grew up in a concentration camp and his sister, my classmate, was born there.

Prohibition probably caused more drunks than there were before. Most of the white men that grew up in prohibition and lived in my area would never draw a sober breath. The morning after you had to have a "hair of the dog" which started the whole damn cycle again.

The only responsible and respectable people in my neighborhood were almost entirely blacks. Those people you seem to think were represented by Woodrow Wilson's Congress as they wrote segregation laws.


Wilson vetoed the Volstead Act, BTW.

I'm not following the argument about racist presidents. John B was just talking about passage of the 18th Amendment, which was ratified by 46 states. That's a lot of states -- and not just an "insane congress." If you want to rant about Wilson's insane congress, look to the Sedition and Espionage Acts.

-- Jay Beattie.
  #16  
Old August 17th 18, 09:27 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Default no mountain lions in Chicago

On 8/17/2018 3:04 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 12:34:58 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 2:58:22 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:17:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 10:34:22 AM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:00:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 8/11/2018 9:26 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 11, 2018 at 5:50:09 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/b...list-west-side

Who doesn't get shot in Chicago? I'd be surprised if a cyclist didn't get shot.


You have a good point the
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/n...-park-shooting

Chicago has among the most restrictive sets of anti-firearm
legislation in the country. How's that working out?


Well, as everyone knows, if you make a law against something people
will stop doing it.

There are many examples in U.S. history. The Volstead Act comes to
mind here as a particularly effective example of this.

This was very odd - most of the people of the world normally drank something alcoholic with dinner. To interfere with that only could have been attempted by some sort of insane congress.

As the so called Volstead act, involved the 18th amendment of the U.S.
constitution it required ratification by the states. The details of
the act wee as followed:

On August 1, 1917, the Senate passed a resolution containing the
language of the amendment to be presented to the states for
ratification. The vote was 65 to 20, with the Democrats voting 36 in
favor and 12 in opposition; and the Republicans voting 29 in favor and
8 in opposition. The House of Representatives passed a revised
resolution[7] on December 17, 1917.

In the House, the vote was 282 to 128, with the Democrats voting 141
in favor and 64 in opposition; and the Republicans voting 137 in favor
and 62 in opposition. Four Independents in the House voted in favor
and two Independents cast votes against the amendment.[9] It was
officially proposed by the Congress to the states when the Senate
passed the resolution, by a vote of 47 to 8, the next day.

When the act was offered to the states for ratification 46, of the
then 48 states, voted for the act.

It appears that, by a very wide margin, the U.S. demonstrated that
they DID NOT want a glass of wine with their supper.


Tell us all John - how many of those congressmen were representatives of anyone other than prohibition white people? The very fact that whiskey, beer and wine were immediately made underground proves that the majority of the population was NOT represented. The act allowed you to make wine for your personal use. But wine has to be make in large quantities to be correct. And not a lot of people know who to make wine properly - so my grandfather used to make it for the entire Slav neighborhood. So he always had a 150 gallon barrel with the fresh squeeze, another 150 gallon barrel aging and another 150 gallon being used. This was totally illegal under prohibition but the Slavs, Italians, Pols, Portuguese, Spanish and French ALL did the same thing.

Underground breweries were everywhere. And the big time gangs made whiskey sometimes better than the best from European distillers. There wee speakeasys on every block.

I really don't think that some man whose ancestry probably comes from Devonshire should be telling the rest of the world about representation in the 1920's. You know, when Chinese were limited to the ghettos called Chinatowns and when blacks were forced to "separate but equal" laws, blacks only restrooms and forced to sit in the backs of buses. Not to mention sticking Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps so that FDR's pals could seize their property and bank accounts.

I don't know who or what you think you are but I or my family lived through this crap. I remember when blacks were limited to the back of the buses. My best childhood friend grew up in a concentration camp and his sister, my classmate, was born there.

Prohibition probably caused more drunks than there were before. Most of the white men that grew up in prohibition and lived in my area would never draw a sober breath. The morning after you had to have a "hair of the dog" which started the whole damn cycle again.

The only responsible and respectable people in my neighborhood were almost entirely blacks. Those people you seem to think were represented by Woodrow Wilson's Congress as they wrote segregation laws.


Wilson vetoed the Volstead Act, BTW.

I'm not following the argument about racist presidents. John B was just talking about passage of the 18th Amendment, which was ratified by 46 states. That's a lot of states -- and not just an "insane congress." If you want to rant about Wilson's insane congress, look to the Sedition and Espionage Acts.

-- Jay Beattie.


Even a lousy Congress has its good days. At least they
rejected Wilson's one-worlder schemes.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #17  
Old August 19th 18, 03:54 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B. Slocomb
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:34:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 2:58:22 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:17:35 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 10:34:22 AM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:00:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 8/11/2018 9:26 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 11, 2018 at 5:50:09 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/b...list-west-side

Who doesn't get shot in Chicago? I'd be surprised if a cyclist didn't get shot.


You have a good point the
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/n...-park-shooting

Chicago has among the most restrictive sets of anti-firearm
legislation in the country. How's that working out?


Well, as everyone knows, if you make a law against something people
will stop doing it.

There are many examples in U.S. history. The Volstead Act comes to
mind here as a particularly effective example of this.

This was very odd - most of the people of the world normally drank something alcoholic with dinner. To interfere with that only could have been attempted by some sort of insane congress.


As the so called Volstead act, involved the 18th amendment of the U.S.
constitution it required ratification by the states. The details of
the act wee as followed:

On August 1, 1917, the Senate passed a resolution containing the
language of the amendment to be presented to the states for
ratification. The vote was 65 to 20, with the Democrats voting 36 in
favor and 12 in opposition; and the Republicans voting 29 in favor and
8 in opposition. The House of Representatives passed a revised
resolution[7] on December 17, 1917.

In the House, the vote was 282 to 128, with the Democrats voting 141
in favor and 64 in opposition; and the Republicans voting 137 in favor
and 62 in opposition. Four Independents in the House voted in favor
and two Independents cast votes against the amendment.[9] It was
officially proposed by the Congress to the states when the Senate
passed the resolution, by a vote of 47 to 8, the next day.

When the act was offered to the states for ratification 46, of the
then 48 states, voted for the act.

It appears that, by a very wide margin, the U.S. demonstrated that
they DID NOT want a glass of wine with their supper.


Tell us all John - how many of those congressmen were representatives of anyone other than prohibition white people?


Your logic is irrefutable, except of course you are wrong.

And, apparently you don't understand how the democratic system works.
In simple terms, the public elects the congressmen who vote in a
manner that is palatable to a sufficient number of their constituents
that they have a chance of re-election.

As for prohibition white people, I'm sure that they did represent
them. After all the prohibition movement dates back to as early as
1789. And don't forget that in a democratic system the losers don't
count. If you win the election you get the power, if you lose you wait
until the next election to get rich.

Lets see... Whiskey had been made in the U.S. in relatively small
amounts since the beginning. The "Whiskey Rebellion" occurred in 1791
in protest over the whiskey tax... the first tax imposed by the new
U.S. Government.

Given that the making of illegal whiskey dates back to the very early
days it is doubtful that there was an immediate increase in
manufacturer.

But regardless of all you may have read, prohibition
succeeded in cutting overall alcohol consumption in the U.S. in half
during the 1920s, and consumption remained below pre-Prohibition
levels until the 1940s. Rates of liver cirrhosis. for example, "fell
by 50 percent early in Prohibition and recovered promptly after Repeal
in 1933.

The act allowed you to make wine for your personal use. But wine has
to be make in large quantities to be correct. And not a lot of people
know who to make wine properly - so my grandfather used to make it for
the entire Slav neighborhood. So he always had a 150 gallon barrel
with the fresh squeeze, another 150 gallon barrel aging and another
150 gallon being used. This was totally illegal under prohibition but
the Slavs, Italians, Pols, Portuguese, Spanish and French ALL did the
same thing.

Quite simply, your grandfather was breaking he law as Section 29 of
the Act allowed 200 gallons (the equivalent of about 1000 750 ml
bottles) of "non-intoxicating cider and fruit juice" to be made each
year at home. Initially "intoxicating" was defined as anything more
than 0.5%, but the Bureau of Internal Revenue soon struck that down
and this effectively legalized home wine-making.

So, your granddad with his 400 gallons was well over the limit for
legal home making.

Underground breweries were everywhere. And the big time gangs made whiskey sometimes better than the best from European distillers. There wee speakeasys on every block.


European and Canadian made liquor was the major illegal alcoholic
beverage smuggled into as the U.S. Local made stuff was rotgut and if
you had ever drank anything from the small back yard stills you'd know
it.


I really don't think that some man whose ancestry probably comes from Devonshire should be telling the rest of the world about representation in the 1920's. You know, when Chinese were limited to the ghettos called Chinatowns and when blacks were forced to "separate but equal" laws, blacks only restrooms and forced to sit in the backs of buses. Not to mention sticking Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps so that FDR's pals could seize their property and bank accounts.

Ancestry probably comes from Devonshire?

I don't know who or what you think you are but I or my family lived through this crap. I remember when blacks were limited to the back of the buses. My best childhood friend grew up in a concentration camp and his sister, my classmate, was born there.


What have Blacks in the back of the buss got to do with prohibition?


Prohibition probably caused more drunks than there were before. Most of the white men that grew up in prohibition and lived in my area would never draw a sober breath. The morning after you had to have a "hair of the dog" which started the whole damn cycle again.


I'm sure you are aware that many states imposed prohibition long
before the 18th amendment was made. Maine, for example made
prohibition the law in 1850 and some states chose to remain dry after
1933. Mississippi, the last entirely dry state, only repealed
Prohibition in 1966. Even today, more than 500 municipalities across
the United States are dry.


The only responsible and respectable people in my neighborhood were almost entirely blacks. Those people you seem to think were represented by Woodrow Wilson's Congress as they wrote segregation laws.


What is with this "Those people you seem to
think were represented by Woodrow Wilson's Congress as they wrote..."

I was born in 1932 and spent much of my early life in Florida, Alabama
and Georgia and Mississippi and may well know a great deal more about
the so called "Negro Problem" then you do.

Winston Churchill was said to have stated that "The best argument
against democracy is a five minute discussion with the average voter".
He was sure right.
  #18  
Old August 19th 18, 04:02 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B. Slocomb
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 13:04:15 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 12:34:58 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 2:58:22 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:17:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 10:34:22 AM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:00:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 8/11/2018 9:26 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 11, 2018 at 5:50:09 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/b...list-west-side

Who doesn't get shot in Chicago? I'd be surprised if a cyclist didn't get shot.


You have a good point the
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/n...-park-shooting

Chicago has among the most restrictive sets of anti-firearm
legislation in the country. How's that working out?


Well, as everyone knows, if you make a law against something people
will stop doing it.

There are many examples in U.S. history. The Volstead Act comes to
mind here as a particularly effective example of this.

This was very odd - most of the people of the world normally drank something alcoholic with dinner. To interfere with that only could have been attempted by some sort of insane congress.

As the so called Volstead act, involved the 18th amendment of the U.S.
constitution it required ratification by the states. The details of
the act wee as followed:

On August 1, 1917, the Senate passed a resolution containing the
language of the amendment to be presented to the states for
ratification. The vote was 65 to 20, with the Democrats voting 36 in
favor and 12 in opposition; and the Republicans voting 29 in favor and
8 in opposition. The House of Representatives passed a revised
resolution[7] on December 17, 1917.

In the House, the vote was 282 to 128, with the Democrats voting 141
in favor and 64 in opposition; and the Republicans voting 137 in favor
and 62 in opposition. Four Independents in the House voted in favor
and two Independents cast votes against the amendment.[9] It was
officially proposed by the Congress to the states when the Senate
passed the resolution, by a vote of 47 to 8, the next day.

When the act was offered to the states for ratification 46, of the
then 48 states, voted for the act.

It appears that, by a very wide margin, the U.S. demonstrated that
they DID NOT want a glass of wine with their supper.


Tell us all John - how many of those congressmen were representatives of anyone other than prohibition white people? The very fact that whiskey, beer and wine were immediately made underground proves that the majority of the population was NOT represented. The act allowed you to make wine for your personal use. But wine has to be make in large quantities to be correct. And not a lot of people know who to make wine properly - so my grandfather used to make it for the entire Slav neighborhood. So he always had a 150 gallon barrel with the fresh squeeze, another 150 gallon barrel aging and another 150 gallon being used. This was totally illegal under prohibition but the Slavs, Italians, Pols, Portuguese, Spanish and French ALL did the same thing.

Underground breweries were everywhere. And the big time gangs made whiskey sometimes better than the best from European distillers. There wee speakeasys on every block.

I really don't think that some man whose ancestry probably comes from Devonshire should be telling the rest of the world about representation in the 1920's. You know, when Chinese were limited to the ghettos called Chinatowns and when blacks were forced to "separate but equal" laws, blacks only restrooms and forced to sit in the backs of buses. Not to mention sticking Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps so that FDR's pals could seize their property and bank accounts.

I don't know who or what you think you are but I or my family lived through this crap. I remember when blacks were limited to the back of the buses. My best childhood friend grew up in a concentration camp and his sister, my classmate, was born there.

Prohibition probably caused more drunks than there were before. Most of the white men that grew up in prohibition and lived in my area would never draw a sober breath. The morning after you had to have a "hair of the dog" which started the whole damn cycle again.

The only responsible and respectable people in my neighborhood were almost entirely blacks. Those people you seem to think were represented by Woodrow Wilson's Congress as they wrote segregation laws.


Wilson vetoed the Volstead Act, BTW.

I'm not following the argument about racist presidents. John B was just talking about passage of the 18th Amendment, which was ratified by 46 states. That's a lot of states -- and not just an "insane congress." If you want to rant about Wilson's insane congress, look to the Sedition and Espionage Acts.

-- Jay Beattie.


Apparently the U.S. had a temporary wartime ban on liquor in force
from November 1918 so banning alcoholic beverages did not originate
with the amendment and the Volstead act.
  #19  
Old August 19th 18, 05:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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Posts: 9,769
Default no mountain lions in Chicago

On 8/18/2018 9:54 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:34:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 2:58:22 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:17:35 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 10:34:22 AM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:00:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 8/11/2018 9:26 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 11, 2018 at 5:50:09 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/b...list-west-side

Who doesn't get shot in Chicago? I'd be surprised if a cyclist didn't get shot.


You have a good point the
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/n...-park-shooting

Chicago has among the most restrictive sets of anti-firearm
legislation in the country. How's that working out?


Well, as everyone knows, if you make a law against something people
will stop doing it.

There are many examples in U.S. history. The Volstead Act comes to
mind here as a particularly effective example of this.

This was very odd - most of the people of the world normally drank something alcoholic with dinner. To interfere with that only could have been attempted by some sort of insane congress.

As the so called Volstead act, involved the 18th amendment of the U.S.
constitution it required ratification by the states. The details of
the act wee as followed:

On August 1, 1917, the Senate passed a resolution containing the
language of the amendment to be presented to the states for
ratification. The vote was 65 to 20, with the Democrats voting 36 in
favor and 12 in opposition; and the Republicans voting 29 in favor and
8 in opposition. The House of Representatives passed a revised
resolution[7] on December 17, 1917.

In the House, the vote was 282 to 128, with the Democrats voting 141
in favor and 64 in opposition; and the Republicans voting 137 in favor
and 62 in opposition. Four Independents in the House voted in favor
and two Independents cast votes against the amendment.[9] It was
officially proposed by the Congress to the states when the Senate
passed the resolution, by a vote of 47 to 8, the next day.

When the act was offered to the states for ratification 46, of the
then 48 states, voted for the act.

It appears that, by a very wide margin, the U.S. demonstrated that
they DID NOT want a glass of wine with their supper.


Tell us all John - how many of those congressmen were representatives of anyone other than prohibition white people?


Your logic is irrefutable, except of course you are wrong.

And, apparently you don't understand how the democratic system works.
In simple terms, the public elects the congressmen who vote in a
manner that is palatable to a sufficient number of their constituents
that they have a chance of re-election.

As for prohibition white people, I'm sure that they did represent
them. After all the prohibition movement dates back to as early as
1789. And don't forget that in a democratic system the losers don't
count. If you win the election you get the power, if you lose you wait
until the next election to get rich.

Lets see... Whiskey had been made in the U.S. in relatively small
amounts since the beginning. The "Whiskey Rebellion" occurred in 1791
in protest over the whiskey tax... the first tax imposed by the new
U.S. Government.

Given that the making of illegal whiskey dates back to the very early
days it is doubtful that there was an immediate increase in
manufacturer.

But regardless of all you may have read, prohibition
succeeded in cutting overall alcohol consumption in the U.S. in half
during the 1920s, and consumption remained below pre-Prohibition
levels until the 1940s. Rates of liver cirrhosis. for example, "fell
by 50 percent early in Prohibition and recovered promptly after Repeal
in 1933.

The act allowed you to make wine for your personal use. But wine has
to be make in large quantities to be correct. And not a lot of people
know who to make wine properly - so my grandfather used to make it for
the entire Slav neighborhood. So he always had a 150 gallon barrel
with the fresh squeeze, another 150 gallon barrel aging and another
150 gallon being used. This was totally illegal under prohibition but
the Slavs, Italians, Pols, Portuguese, Spanish and French ALL did the
same thing.

Quite simply, your grandfather was breaking he law as Section 29 of
the Act allowed 200 gallons (the equivalent of about 1000 750 ml
bottles) of "non-intoxicating cider and fruit juice" to be made each
year at home. Initially "intoxicating" was defined as anything more
than 0.5%, but the Bureau of Internal Revenue soon struck that down
and this effectively legalized home wine-making.

So, your granddad with his 400 gallons was well over the limit for
legal home making.

Underground breweries were everywhere. And the big time gangs made whiskey sometimes better than the best from European distillers. There wee speakeasys on every block.


European and Canadian made liquor was the major illegal alcoholic
beverage smuggled into as the U.S. Local made stuff was rotgut and if
you had ever drank anything from the small back yard stills you'd know
it.


I really don't think that some man whose ancestry probably comes from Devonshire should be telling the rest of the world about representation in the 1920's. You know, when Chinese were limited to the ghettos called Chinatowns and when blacks were forced to "separate but equal" laws, blacks only restrooms and forced to sit in the backs of buses. Not to mention sticking Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps so that FDR's pals could seize their property and bank accounts.

Ancestry probably comes from Devonshire?

I don't know who or what you think you are but I or my family lived through this crap. I remember when blacks were limited to the back of the buses. My best childhood friend grew up in a concentration camp and his sister, my classmate, was born there.


What have Blacks in the back of the buss got to do with prohibition?


Prohibition probably caused more drunks than there were before. Most of the white men that grew up in prohibition and lived in my area would never draw a sober breath. The morning after you had to have a "hair of the dog" which started the whole damn cycle again.


I'm sure you are aware that many states imposed prohibition long
before the 18th amendment was made. Maine, for example made
prohibition the law in 1850 and some states chose to remain dry after
1933. Mississippi, the last entirely dry state, only repealed
Prohibition in 1966. Even today, more than 500 municipalities across
the United States are dry.


The only responsible and respectable people in my neighborhood were almost entirely blacks. Those people you seem to think were represented by Woodrow Wilson's Congress as they wrote segregation laws.


What is with this "Those people you seem to
think were represented by Woodrow Wilson's Congress as they wrote..."

I was born in 1932 and spent much of my early life in Florida, Alabama
and Georgia and Mississippi and may well know a great deal more about
the so called "Negro Problem" then you do.

Winston Churchill was said to have stated that "The best argument
against democracy is a five minute discussion with the average voter".
He was sure right.


To expand on Mr Slocumb's survey of political complexity,
even exemplary and accomplished cyclist Frances Willard was
an active and shrill voice against Demon Rum. (her book,
"How I Learned To Ride The Bicycle" is cute and a good read)

Separating good guys from bad guys (& gals) is rough work.
Everyone sucks (especially with ahistoric judgement) and
everyone has virtue to some piddling degree or another.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #20  
Old August 20th 18, 04:12 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default no mountain lions in Chicago

On Saturday, August 18, 2018 at 7:55:04 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:34:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 2:58:22 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:17:35 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 10:34:22 AM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:00:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 8/11/2018 9:26 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, August 11, 2018 at 5:50:09 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/b...list-west-side

Who doesn't get shot in Chicago? I'd be surprised if a cyclist didn't get shot.


You have a good point the
https://wbbm780.radio.com/articles/n...-park-shooting

Chicago has among the most restrictive sets of anti-firearm
legislation in the country. How's that working out?


Well, as everyone knows, if you make a law against something people
will stop doing it.

There are many examples in U.S. history. The Volstead Act comes to
mind here as a particularly effective example of this.

This was very odd - most of the people of the world normally drank something alcoholic with dinner. To interfere with that only could have been attempted by some sort of insane congress.

As the so called Volstead act, involved the 18th amendment of the U.S.
constitution it required ratification by the states. The details of
the act wee as followed:

On August 1, 1917, the Senate passed a resolution containing the
language of the amendment to be presented to the states for
ratification. The vote was 65 to 20, with the Democrats voting 36 in
favor and 12 in opposition; and the Republicans voting 29 in favor and
8 in opposition. The House of Representatives passed a revised
resolution[7] on December 17, 1917.

In the House, the vote was 282 to 128, with the Democrats voting 141
in favor and 64 in opposition; and the Republicans voting 137 in favor
and 62 in opposition. Four Independents in the House voted in favor
and two Independents cast votes against the amendment.[9] It was
officially proposed by the Congress to the states when the Senate
passed the resolution, by a vote of 47 to 8, the next day.

When the act was offered to the states for ratification 46, of the
then 48 states, voted for the act.

It appears that, by a very wide margin, the U.S. demonstrated that
they DID NOT want a glass of wine with their supper.


Tell us all John - how many of those congressmen were representatives of anyone other than prohibition white people?


Your logic is irrefutable, except of course you are wrong.

And, apparently you don't understand how the democratic system works.
In simple terms, the public elects the congressmen who vote in a
manner that is palatable to a sufficient number of their constituents
that they have a chance of re-election.

As for prohibition white people, I'm sure that they did represent
them. After all the prohibition movement dates back to as early as
1789. And don't forget that in a democratic system the losers don't
count. If you win the election you get the power, if you lose you wait
until the next election to get rich.

Lets see... Whiskey had been made in the U.S. in relatively small
amounts since the beginning. The "Whiskey Rebellion" occurred in 1791
in protest over the whiskey tax... the first tax imposed by the new
U.S. Government.

Given that the making of illegal whiskey dates back to the very early
days it is doubtful that there was an immediate increase in
manufacturer.

But regardless of all you may have read, prohibition
succeeded in cutting overall alcohol consumption in the U.S. in half
during the 1920s, and consumption remained below pre-Prohibition
levels until the 1940s. Rates of liver cirrhosis. for example, "fell
by 50 percent early in Prohibition and recovered promptly after Repeal
in 1933.

The act allowed you to make wine for your personal use. But wine has
to be make in large quantities to be correct. And not a lot of people
know who to make wine properly - so my grandfather used to make it for
the entire Slav neighborhood. So he always had a 150 gallon barrel
with the fresh squeeze, another 150 gallon barrel aging and another
150 gallon being used. This was totally illegal under prohibition but
the Slavs, Italians, Pols, Portuguese, Spanish and French ALL did the
same thing.

Quite simply, your grandfather was breaking he law as Section 29 of
the Act allowed 200 gallons (the equivalent of about 1000 750 ml
bottles) of "non-intoxicating cider and fruit juice" to be made each
year at home. Initially "intoxicating" was defined as anything more
than 0.5%, but the Bureau of Internal Revenue soon struck that down
and this effectively legalized home wine-making.

So, your granddad with his 400 gallons was well over the limit for
legal home making.

Underground breweries were everywhere. And the big time gangs made whiskey sometimes better than the best from European distillers. There wee speakeasys on every block.


European and Canadian made liquor was the major illegal alcoholic
beverage smuggled into as the U.S. Local made stuff was rotgut and if
you had ever drank anything from the small back yard stills you'd know
it.


I really don't think that some man whose ancestry probably comes from Devonshire should be telling the rest of the world about representation in the 1920's. You know, when Chinese were limited to the ghettos called Chinatowns and when blacks were forced to "separate but equal" laws, blacks only restrooms and forced to sit in the backs of buses. Not to mention sticking Americans of Japanese descent into concentration camps so that FDR's pals could seize their property and bank accounts.

Ancestry probably comes from Devonshire?

I don't know who or what you think you are but I or my family lived through this crap. I remember when blacks were limited to the back of the buses.. My best childhood friend grew up in a concentration camp and his sister, my classmate, was born there.


What have Blacks in the back of the buss got to do with prohibition?


Prohibition probably caused more drunks than there were before. Most of the white men that grew up in prohibition and lived in my area would never draw a sober breath. The morning after you had to have a "hair of the dog" which started the whole damn cycle again.


I'm sure you are aware that many states imposed prohibition long
before the 18th amendment was made. Maine, for example made
prohibition the law in 1850 and some states chose to remain dry after
1933. Mississippi, the last entirely dry state, only repealed
Prohibition in 1966. Even today, more than 500 municipalities across
the United States are dry.


The only responsible and respectable people in my neighborhood were almost entirely blacks. Those people you seem to think were represented by Woodrow Wilson's Congress as they wrote segregation laws.


What is with this "Those people you seem to
think were represented by Woodrow Wilson's Congress as they wrote..."

I was born in 1932 and spent much of my early life in Florida, Alabama
and Georgia and Mississippi and may well know a great deal more about
the so called "Negro Problem" then you do.

Winston Churchill was said to have stated that "The best argument
against democracy is a five minute discussion with the average voter".
He was sure right.


John, surely you know that your name is of Devonshire origin? That it is entirely likely that your entire life has been from a position where you actually believe the "people" were represented by what was a majority ENGLISH origin WHITE Congress. You most certainly didn't help change any minds with your comment about "the Negro problem" which wasn't a problem at all until the 1970's. I grew up in east Oakland and I would warrant that I know a HELL of a lot more about "negros" than you. They were the most respectable people in our particular neighborhood until the black power movement.


While I'm a decade younger than you I still remember blacks forced to sit in the back of the bus.
 




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