Best states (west of great lakes) for cycling

On Mar 27, 2:35 am, (Tom Keats) wrote:

...there are so many
other things to take into consideration. For example,
how many of those places you tout as having more riders/
less MHL also have gasp cycling infrastructure?

Maybe it's not /always/ or /simply/ about helmets?

I'm not aware of anyone saying it's "/always/ or /simply/ about
helmets".

Certainly, other influences exist. Certainly, you'd expect more
cycling in certain places than in others, due to climate, terrain,
local culture, density of development, infrastructure differences,
etc. Any of those could tend to encourage or discourage cycling. And
any of them would have _some_ individuals bucking the trend - say,
using their bike despite lots of disincentives, or not using their
bike in ideal situations.

The question is, what are the effects of helmet promotion and helmet
laws? Do they tend to encourage or discourage cycling?

- Frank Krygowski

On Mar 27, 8:42 am, wrote:
On Mar 27, 2:35 am, (Tom Keats) wrote:



...there are so many
other things to take into consideration. For example,
how many of those places you tout as having more riders/
less MHL also have gasp cycling infrastructure?

Maybe it's not /always/ or /simply/ about helmets?

I'm not aware of anyone saying it's "/always/ or /simply/ about
helmets".




I guess this means that Frank Krygowski *doesn't* read his own drivel!

Now, the question is, does this indicate a lack of self-awareness on
Krygowski's part, or does it indicate a kind of low animal
cunning? ;-)

On 27 Mar 2007 07:42:59 -0700, wrote:

On Mar 27, 2:35 am, (Tom Keats) wrote:

...there are so many
other things to take into consideration. For example,
how many of those places you tout as having more riders/
less MHL also have gasp cycling infrastructure?

Maybe it's not /always/ or /simply/ about helmets?

I'm not aware of anyone saying it's "/always/ or /simply/ about
helmets".

Certainly, other influences exist. Certainly, you'd expect more
cycling in certain places than in others, due to climate, terrain,
local culture, density of development, infrastructure differences,
etc. Any of those could tend to encourage or discourage cycling. And
any of them would have _some_ individuals bucking the trend - say,
using their bike despite lots of disincentives, or not using their
bike in ideal situations.

The question is, what are the effects of helmet promotion and helmet
laws? Do they tend to encourage or discourage cycling?

- Frank Krygowski


Aw, c'mon, Frank.

Send an easy one over, won't you?

If there is a _single_ instance of MHLs encouraging cycling it is yet
to make an appearance on this newsgroup, or on any of the rational
helmet websites.

On 27 Mar 2007 06:00:15 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
wrote:

People who are against MHL's would be well advised to BE concerned
when others call for an MHL, as you have repeatedly done in this very
newsgroup.

All anyone has to do to see this is search the ng archives for

"I'd like one in your jurisdiction that was well and truly enforced"

and

"I do wish jtaylor gets the karma he deserves; in this case, a strong
MHL with prison terms."


Only a lying, deceptive, deluded nutcase like you would try to twist
what I wrote into a call for a MHL.



Um, so by "MHL" you didn't mean "MHL"?

On Mar 27, 1:45 am, wrote:

None of your objections support your estimation of "bogus",
"laughable", and so on.

If you know the figures are wrong, you must know what the real ones
are...

O chosen one, why don't you tell us what the real ones are?- Hide quoted text -

You're not getting it, jt.

There is no way to tell what those figures are estimates OF. That is
kind of a prerequisite to determining if they are bogus or not.

Robert

On 27 Mar 2007 14:23:18 -0700, wrote:

On Mar 27, 1:45 am, wrote:

None of your objections support your estimation of "bogus",
"laughable", and so on.

If you know the figures are wrong, you must know what the real ones
are...

O chosen one, why don't you tell us what the real ones are?- Hide quoted text -

You're not getting it, jt.

There is no way to tell what those figures are estimates OF. That is
kind of a prerequisite to determining if they are bogus or not.

Robert

So if one cannot tell if they are bogus, why are you asserting that
they are?

On Mar 27, 9:38 am, wrote:
On 27 Mar 2007 06:00:15 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"





wrote:
People who are against MHL's would be well advised to BE concerned
when others call for an MHL, as you have repeatedly done in this very
newsgroup.

All anyone has to do to see this is search the ng archives for

"I do wish jtaylor gets the karma he deserves; in this case, a strong
MHL with prison terms."

Only a lying, deceptive, deluded nutcase like you would try to twist
what I wrote into a call for a MHL.

Um, so by "MHL" you didn't mean "MHL?


Are you

a) stupid

b) insane

c) stupid *and* insane

?

Ozark Bicycle wrote:
On Mar 27, 9:38 am, wrote:
On 27 Mar 2007 06:00:15 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"





wrote:
People who are against MHL's would be well advised to BE concerned
when others call for an MHL, as you have repeatedly done in this very
newsgroup.
All anyone has to do to see this is search the ng archives for
"I do wish jtaylor gets the karma he deserves; in this case, a strong
MHL with prison terms."
Only a lying, deceptive, deluded nutcase like you would try to twist
what I wrote into a call for a MHL.
Um, so by "MHL" you didn't mean "MHL?


Are you

a) stupid

b) insane

c) stupid *and* insane

?

You guys should 'get a room' of your own. Every year someone starts this
damned 'Helmet war' and it never goes away.
Please, thread, die.
Bill Baka

On 27 Mar 2007 15:12:18 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"
wrote:



Only a lying, deceptive, deluded nutcase like you would try to twist
what I wrote into a call for a MHL.

Um, so by "MHL" you didn't mean "MHL?


Are you

a) stupid

b) insane

c) stupid *and* insane



Insults are a sign that the user has no other support.

(For the purposes of this thread, "pro-MHL" is not an insult, just a
description of Ozark's position.)

On Mar 27, 5:32 pm, wrote:
On 27 Mar 2007 15:12:18 -0700, "Ozark Bicycle"





wrote:

I do wish jtaylor gets the karma he deserves; in this case, a strong MHL
with prison terms.

Only a lying, deceptive, deluded nutcase like you would try to twist
what I wrote into a call for a MHL.

Um, so by "MHL" you didn't mean "MHL?

Are you

a) stupid

b) insane

c) stupid *and* insane

Insults are a sign that the user has no other support.

(For the purposes of this thread, "pro-MHL" is not an insult, just a
description of Ozark's position)



Thanks for the succinct display of your insanity, "j"; I promise to
post links to this anytime anyone shows any signs of taking you
seriously.


TTFN. ;-)