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Gotta Be a High Threshold
http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/11448.0.html
Given that Virenque was never prohibited from racing the Tour de France by this French anti-doping agency (AFLD), that's gotta be one mother****ing high standard of proof to meet. Piece of cake, Floyd. Thanks, Magilla |
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MagillaGorilla wrote: Given that Virenque was never prohibited from racing the Tour de France by this French anti-doping agency (AFLD) Uh, maybe that's because the AFLD was created in 2006 to replace the CPLD (french bureaucrats just love to create to play withy their alphabet soup), which was itself created in 1999, post-Festina that is. But then you are probably not old enough to remember any of that Festina stuff, are you? jyh. |
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jean-yves herve wrote:
In article , MagillaGorilla wrote: Given that Virenque was never prohibited from racing the Tour de France by this French anti-doping agency (AFLD) Uh, maybe that's because the AFLD was created in 2006 to replace the CPLD (french bureaucrats just love to create to play withy their alphabet soup), which was itself created in 1999, post-Festina that is. But then you are probably not old enough to remember any of that Festina stuff, are you? jyh. No, I just exited the vagina 4 years ago and graduated college 2 years ago. BTW, 'you're welcome' for what we did for your country on D-Day back in June 1944. A little show of gratitude might be in order. Thanks, Magilla |
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MagillaGorilla wrote: jean-yves herve wrote: In article , MagillaGorilla wrote: Given that Virenque was never prohibited from racing the Tour de France by this French anti-doping agency (AFLD) Uh, maybe that's because the AFLD was created in 2006 to replace the CPLD (french bureaucrats just love to create to play withy their alphabet soup), which was itself created in 1999, post-Festina that is. But then you are probably not old enough to remember any of that Festina stuff, are you? jyh. No, I just exited the vagina 4 years ago and graduated college 2 years ago. BTW, 'you're welcome' for what we did for your country on D-Day back in June 1944. A little show of gratitude might be in order. I thought you were better read than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties Pretty high losses for a country ("France") whose army supposedly only ran away. High civilian death number, too. Would that have anything to do with the Resistance and German reprisals? http://www.angelfire.com/ct/ww2europe/stats.html Gratitude? Even as the generation fades away... (BTW, did you notice Dec. 7th being less fussed-over during the last few anniversaries in the USA newspapers?) http://veterans.senate.gov/index.cfm...eleases&id=660 Stations on the Paris Metro named in honor of American men and deeds, the US tank that sits in the town square in Bastogne, and so on, including the military cemetery at Normandy. Maybe you forgot about the cememonies held in various anniversary years: http://www.normandiememoire.com/NM60...meh/intro.html http://www.worldofstock.com/closeups/AAB1580.php This WWII stuff is a different deal from not rolling over for USA policy since. We USA schoolkids never heard much about the huge numbers of Soviet war dead, especially in relation to what terrible harm was done to the German army on the Eastern Front by those making those sacrifices (to express events as such). Not much room for nuance over at the Ministry of Propaganda, apparently. --D-y |
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
No, I just exited the vagina 4 years ago Your real problem is finding a vagina that wants you to enter. |
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Donald Munro wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote: No, I just exited the vagina 4 years ago Your real problem is finding a vagina that wants you to enter. Okay Donald - I'll keep that in mind. Let me see a photo of what you hit and I will compare that to my gorillafriend. And then we'll stop monkeying around and start a real thread. Take care, Magilla |
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MagillaGorilla wrote: wrote: (snip) The Germans occupied France. All you did is post a link that confirms the French lost the battle and had to wait for the Americans to come and liberate their country from the Nazi's. You might try actually reading through some of that. "What price was paid in lives, who paid it". Again, French losses were amazingly high for an army whose supposed main offensive tactic was to raise the arms over the head. That was my main point, if I'm repeating here. Yes, there was a "rescue". That can be seen as a responsibility met very late, with an incredibly high price paid by "the little people", as usual ("bad leadership"). What about the the Canadians? Australians? Many think they were sent to the most dangerous battle zones on purpose. BTW, I've seen estimates for Soviet total deaths that go to 40 million, which would put their losses approx 10x our (USA) own. I suggest you rent Saving Private Ryan. Saw it. As a USA kid growing up in the 50's and 60's, the story of the Normandy invasion was not unfamiliar. Not one bit to disrespect the bravery/deeds/sacrifices made by the real soldiers who fought in WWII, but that movie used a sensational first few minutes to build box office. One of Hanks' better vehicles. Better than the lost-on-a-island movie, the chemistry with whatshername, Helen Bed, was sorely lacking. Pretty good ending, though. Excuse me for being cynical, I'll get out of your chair here presently (mmmm, nice and warm on a cold, rainy day. You're welcome!). So, did you see enough "gratitude" in the various links and things I mentioned? The Sherman tank in the town square of Bastogne says it all IMHO (yes, I know Belgium and France are different countries, don't bother picking on that point; just one of the most impressive things I saw in Europe). Well, not quite "all": http://www.11tharmoreddivision.com/h...order_form.htm "Fifty-five years is never too late". (quoting from above): "All proceeds from this book benefit the Cercle d'Histoire de Bastogne whose purpose, among many others, is to welcome veterans of the Battle of the Bulge to Bastogne." And to give just due to the crew of that tank, and many others by extension. http://travel.webshots.com/photo/109...35103906dOioPa There's a couple of pics of that famous Belgian general McAuliffe's bronze bust thereabouts, too. --D-y |
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I only became aware of the extent to which France owes a debt to the
USA for WWII on May 8, 2005. On that date, the French were celebrating the 60th anniversary of the liberation of La Rochelle (a medium sized port North of Bordeaux, where I used to spend summer vacations when I was growing up). This date seemed a little strange to me, and then I realised that it was exactly the same day as the German capitulation. In other words, La Rochelle was never liberated, the Germans there were ordered to give up by their high command. This is yet another example of the French capacity to fool themselves as to their role in WWII (the other is the speech by de Gaulle on the liberation of Paris, that is, that Paris was liberated by the French, with the help of the French, no mention of anyone else). But the main point of the La Rochelle observation is that D-day was on June 6, 1944 and Paris was liberated on August 25, 1944, with the help of the US army. When the French were left to their own devices, they were unable to recover the rest of the territory including La Rochelle and a number of other similarly encircled port cities, even 11 months after D-Day. It was the first time in my life that I realised that if the US had not intervened, then France would have been under German occupation for centuries. Otherwise, I feel that Chirac was quite explicit about the French debt to the USA, as are many of the top French politicians. However, I believe that there is a lot of anti-American feeling in France. The reason is simple: the French culture has been completely superseded by the sheer weight of the USA. In an amusing attempt to counter this, the French Academy and the Prix Goncourt (equivalent of Pulitzer prize) awarded best book to a horribly bad novel by American Jonathan Liddel who "writes in French", as proof that the tide is turning. -ilan wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: jean-yves herve wrote: In article , MagillaGorilla wrote: Given that Virenque was never prohibited from racing the Tour de France by this French anti-doping agency (AFLD) Uh, maybe that's because the AFLD was created in 2006 to replace the CPLD (french bureaucrats just love to create to play withy their alphabet soup), which was itself created in 1999, post-Festina that is. But then you are probably not old enough to remember any of that Festina stuff, are you? jyh. No, I just exited the vagina 4 years ago and graduated college 2 years ago. BTW, 'you're welcome' for what we did for your country on D-Day back in June 1944. A little show of gratitude might be in order. I thought you were better read than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties Pretty high losses for a country ("France") whose army supposedly only ran away. High civilian death number, too. Would that have anything to do with the Resistance and German reprisals? http://www.angelfire.com/ct/ww2europe/stats.html Gratitude? Even as the generation fades away... (BTW, did you notice Dec. 7th being less fussed-over during the last few anniversaries in the USA newspapers?) http://veterans.senate.gov/index.cfm...eleases&id=660 Stations on the Paris Metro named in honor of American men and deeds, the US tank that sits in the town square in Bastogne, and so on, including the military cemetery at Normandy. Maybe you forgot about the cememonies held in various anniversary years: http://www.normandiememoire.com/NM60...meh/intro.html http://www.worldofstock.com/closeups/AAB1580.php This WWII stuff is a different deal from not rolling over for USA policy since. We USA schoolkids never heard much about the huge numbers of Soviet war dead, especially in relation to what terrible harm was done to the German army on the Eastern Front by those making those sacrifices (to express events as such). Not much room for nuance over at the Ministry of Propaganda, apparently. --D-y |
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I only became aware of the extent to which France owes a debt to the
USA for WWII on May 8, 2005. On that date, the French were celebrating the 60th anniversary of the liberation of La Rochelle (a medium sized port North of Bordeaux, where I used to spend summer vacations when I was growing up). This date seemed a little strange to me, and then I realised that it was exactly the same day as the German capitulation. In other words, La Rochelle was never liberated, the Germans there were ordered to give up by their high command. This is yet another example of the French capacity to fool themselves as to their role in WWII (the other is the speech by de Gaulle on the liberation of Paris, that is, that Paris was liberated by the French, with the help of the French, no mention of anyone else). But the main point of the La Rochelle observation is that D-day was on June 6, 1944 and Paris was liberated on August 25, 1944, with the help of the US army. When the French were left to their own devices, they were unable to recover the rest of the territory including La Rochelle and a number of other similarly encircled port cities, even 11 months after D-Day. It was the first time in my life that I realised that if the US had not intervened, then France would have been under German occupation for centuries. Otherwise, I feel that Chirac was quite explicit about the French debt to the USA, as are many of the top French politicians. However, I believe that there is a lot of anti-American feeling in France. The reason is simple: the French culture has been completely superseded by the sheer weight of the USA. In an amusing attempt to counter this, the French Academy and the Prix Goncourt (equivalent of Pulitzer prize) awarded best book to a horribly bad novel by American Jonathan Liddel who "writes in French", as proof that the tide is turning. -ilan wrote: MagillaGorilla wrote: jean-yves herve wrote: In article , MagillaGorilla wrote: Given that Virenque was never prohibited from racing the Tour de France by this French anti-doping agency (AFLD) Uh, maybe that's because the AFLD was created in 2006 to replace the CPLD (french bureaucrats just love to create to play withy their alphabet soup), which was itself created in 1999, post-Festina that is. But then you are probably not old enough to remember any of that Festina stuff, are you? jyh. No, I just exited the vagina 4 years ago and graduated college 2 years ago. BTW, 'you're welcome' for what we did for your country on D-Day back in June 1944. A little show of gratitude might be in order. I thought you were better read than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties Pretty high losses for a country ("France") whose army supposedly only ran away. High civilian death number, too. Would that have anything to do with the Resistance and German reprisals? http://www.angelfire.com/ct/ww2europe/stats.html Gratitude? Even as the generation fades away... (BTW, did you notice Dec. 7th being less fussed-over during the last few anniversaries in the USA newspapers?) http://veterans.senate.gov/index.cfm...eleases&id=660 Stations on the Paris Metro named in honor of American men and deeds, the US tank that sits in the town square in Bastogne, and so on, including the military cemetery at Normandy. Maybe you forgot about the cememonies held in various anniversary years: http://www.normandiememoire.com/NM60...meh/intro.html http://www.worldofstock.com/closeups/AAB1580.php This WWII stuff is a different deal from not rolling over for USA policy since. We USA schoolkids never heard much about the huge numbers of Soviet war dead, especially in relation to what terrible harm was done to the German army on the Eastern Front by those making those sacrifices (to express events as such). Not much room for nuance over at the Ministry of Propaganda, apparently. --D-y |
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