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Remember the Wilhelm Gustloff
January 31, 1945
The world's worst maritime disaster http://www.feldgrau.com/wilhelmgustloff.html or check YouTube for several vidos c -- Foreign Aid http://azurservers.com:7080/rbr/money-down-drain.jpg |
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Remember the Wilhelm Gustloff
On Jan 30, 12:42*am, Davey Crockett wrote:
January 31, 1945 The world's worst maritime disaster http://www.feldgrau.com/wilhelmgustloff.html or check YouTube for several vidos c -- Foreign Aidhttp://azurservers.com:7080/rbr/money-down-drain.jpg Actually, I know it because it was named for one of two incidents of completely independent acts of defiance by Jews to their plight: under Nazi rule http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Frankfurter Almost no one knows about this, and only slightly more about the other, even though it had much more serious repercussions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Grynszpan In fact, I would say that the latter has been suppressed by French authorities which instead have chosen to idolise Guy Moquet because they hate independent acts and prefer Moquet who died for nothing while following orders. -ilan |
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Remember the Wilhelm Gustloff
On 1/30/2012 7:38 PM, ilan wrote:
Actually, I know it because it was named for one of two incidents of completely independent acts of defiance by Jews to their plight: under Nazi rule http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Frankfurter Almost no one knows about this, and only slightly more about the other, even though it had much more serious repercussions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Grynszpan I am almost certain that you are correct, at least in the U.S. Certainly I've heard neither of Frankfurter nor Grynszpan--thanks for posting this. Steve In fact, I would say that the latter has been suppressed by French authorities which instead have chosen to idolise Guy Moquet because they hate independent acts and prefer Moquet who died for nothing while following orders. -ilan |
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Remember the Wilhelm Gustloff
On Jan 30, 12:42*am, Davey Crockett wrote:
January 31, 1945 The world's worst maritime disaster http://www.feldgrau.com/wilhelmgustloff.html or check YouTube for several vidos c -- Foreign Aidhttp://azurservers.com:7080/rbr/money-down-drain.jpg Your source border on revisionist Neo-Nazism. In particular, I cite the passage: "The Wilhelm Gustloff was named after a man considered by some during the time to be a German martyr. Wilhelm Gustloff had been the leader of the NSDAP in Switzerland and he was assassinated in 1936." First of all, the "some" alluded to consists of almost exclusively of Nazis, the Swiss themselves were embarrassed by the whole thing since they weren't particularly fond of the Swiss Nazi party and they somewhat reluctantly went through the trial which was attended in large part by German Nazis, because they were forced to appease Germany, their most powerful neighbor which could squash them at a moment's notice. Moreover, the death of Gustloff meant the end of Swiss Nazism to the relief of almost all Swiss. Finally, Switzerland freed Frankfurter as soon as the war was over and eventually absolved him of all responsibility by lifting the ban on his return to Switzerland. The second sentence is the one which most clearly betrays revisionist Neo-Nazism. In particular, the acronym NSDAP for Nazi party is used to "clean up" Gustloff's fascist and antisemitic agenda, even more so than the term National Socialism which is sometimes used even by non Neo-Nazis. In particular, in Frankfurter's trial by his defense attorney, as seen in the movie "Konfrontation" about the affair (I added that reference to the Wikipedia page, I must be one of the few people who ever saw it). That said, I don't condone the sinking of that ship, though I don't mourn the death of all those Germans either. Next time, please find a more neutral account. -ilan |
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Remember the Wilhelm Gustloff
On 31/01/2012 07:26, ilan wrote:
attorney, as seen in the movie "Konfrontation" about the affair (I added that reference to the Wikipedia page, I must be one of the few people who ever saw it). I added links back and forth, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_in_Davos |
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Remember the Wilhelm Gustloff
On Jan 31, 1:16*pm, "A. Dumas" wrote:
On 31/01/2012 07:26, ilan wrote: attorney, as seen in the movie "Konfrontation" about the affair (I added that reference to the Wikipedia page, I must be one of the few people who ever saw it). I added links back and forth, seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_in_Davos Thanks. There's a very good recent book on the Gustloff affair which includes a chapter on Grynszpan: Gillabert Matthieu, "La propagande nazie en Suisse : L'affaire Gustloff, 1936", Presses Polytechniques Universitaires Romandes (14 avril 2008) http://www.amazon.fr/propagande-nazi.../dp/2880747724 -ilan |
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Remember the Wilhelm Gustloff
Did the captain stay on board ?
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