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Old April 6th 21, 06:23 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:54:52 a.m. UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 8:09:21 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 5:44:42 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 4:04:08 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 3:49:56 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:

Jay, the headset for my Douglas is absolutely NOT the standard hidden headset. It requires a Cane Creek 40 series headset which is not a week off. And I have to get the bottom FSA bottom headset race removed. It appears that the Cane Creek is not a press in but just drops right in and is held in place without motion by the pressure of the top cap.
I would not have had all of these problems is Colorado Cyclist had answered their emails to both their service center and sales.
Down the rabbit hole again. First, quit using all the wrong terms like "flush mount" or "hidden headset." Those are all wrong and don't follow modern designations. There is no standard "hidden headset." Second, the Cane Creek 40 series can be external (EC) internal orZero Stack (ZS), integrated (IS), hybrid, etc., etc. https://canecreek.com/product/forty/ Look at the dropdown menu. The series number tells you nothing about your headset type.. It's just a mid-fi product line.

Next, are there cups pressed into your frame? Please answer yes or no..
Does it look like the middle one: https://bike.bikegremlin.com/wp-cont...eadset-cup.jpg Have you been measuring to the inside of the cup or to the actual wall of the headtube? If so, WTF?

If you DO NOT have cups pressed into your frame, and you properly measured the upper headtube bore at 41mm, then that CONFIRMS an IS41 internal headset -- that and a milled-in bearing seat and the fact the bike is spec'd with a 1 1/8" fork. A ZS headset would have an ID of 44mm and not 41mm. At least that covers it for the upper bearing. If you have a hybrid headset, you could have a ZS lower bearing -- there could be a cup pressed in there that would have an ID of 41mm. The pictures I posted previous of the Fusion did NOT have a ZS lower because there was no visible cup shoulder. But if the Vector has a lower, pressed in, flush mounted ZS cup, then you have a hybrid headset and need to buy one of those.

This would be a five minute inspection in a bike shop -- or a five minute diagnosis on this NG if you didn't leak cryptic information and posted some pictures -- maybe with some calipers across the bore of the HT and looking down the bore.

Jay, if you don't like my terminology that's just too bad. The bike shop who is going to remove that unnecessary fork race called is a flush mount.. Why don't you complain to him? After all, he was only the 7-11 team mechanic.

Great. He can work on historical bikes. And if he is so great, he should be able to order you a headset in five minutes. Its a f****** integrated headset, and your options are limited.
Why are you suddenly pretending that somehow I chose the incorrect headset when I gave ALL of the correct measurements and you said that the SAME headset you use on the Specialized would work?

No, and you still haven't answered my questions -- but Specialized typically uses a Campy standard IS42. I told you you need an IS41, which is PROBABLY correct -- but we'll never know because you crab walk every time someone tries to get a straight answer from you. So, I'm giving up on trying to help. For all I know, your frame could have ZS cups left in it or have some other problem. We'll never know.
Again, I CALLED Colorado Cyclist after they would not respond to either the sales or service emails and they did not tell me the correct part number, they only said that they do not carry "that part" in stock.

Why would Colorado Cyclist care about dealing with some guy who bought a bike that they quit re-selling more than a decade ago? The sales people were probably in grade school when that POS was made.
I explained in great detail the diameter and depth of the recesses in the headtube for the headset and then was stupid enough to take your advice rather than just going up to Robby and putting up with his bull**** of making an appointment, walking up to a locked door and then texting him to let me in and always, always wear a mask because his life depends upon it.

You explained the diameter but not whether there were cups in the frame. If it has a 41mm ID/bore -- and assuming your measurement is correct -- it is an IS41 IF the bike was spec'd with a 1 1/8" fork. Just like I said. And if it is not, then what is it? YOU STILL HAVE NOT SAID WHAT KIND OF HEADSET ROBBY SAYS YOU HAVE. Why is it always hide the ball with your stupid projects?

In the time it takes you to build one of these POS bikes, I could build six bikes, wax my skis and maybe put moss kill on the roof -- and take a vacation to the Bahamas. It's staggering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJIj...DoorIntoSummer

-- Jay Beattie.


With his record I really don't understand why people persist in responding to him.

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Old April 6th 21, 06:41 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 4/6/2021 8:54 AM, jbeattie wrote:

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In the time it takes you to build one of these POS bikes, I could build six bikes, wax my skis and maybe put moss kill on the roof -- and take a vacation to the Bahamas. It's staggering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJIj...DoorIntoSummer


You're not retired. For some people messing with this kind of stuff, and
spending exorbitant amounts of money doing so, is a hobby.

But you're right, Colorado Cyclist is probably not interested in
spending a lot of time helping someone who has a product that they sold,
but didn't manufacture, decades ago. The current employees would have no
idea what Tom was talking about.

Perhaps if Colorado Cyclist helped Tom they would be rewarded with huge,
profitable orders from him in the future.
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Old Yesterday, 05:41 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 10:41:12 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
On 4/6/2021 8:54 AM, jbeattie wrote:

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In the time it takes you to build one of these POS bikes, I could build six bikes, wax my skis and maybe put moss kill on the roof -- and take a vacation to the Bahamas. It's staggering. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJIj...DoorIntoSummer

You're not retired. For some people messing with this kind of stuff, and
spending exorbitant amounts of money doing so, is a hobby.

But you're right, Colorado Cyclist is probably not interested in
spending a lot of time helping someone who has a product that they sold,
but didn't manufacture, decades ago. The current employees would have no
idea what Tom was talking about.

Perhaps if Colorado Cyclist helped Tom they would be rewarded with huge,
profitable orders from him in the future.

What makes you think that I spend an exorbitant amount of money? I presently have a offer for a frameset of Ebay that is more than I spent for the assembled bike. Does that sound exorbitant to you? The parts off of that frameset will be used on the Douglas. That means it is free. Does that sound like "exorbitant" to you? Tell me all about how you know how much I spend on anything? I just bought a spare set of Record 10 speed levers for one quarter of what they usually sell for. Is that another example of your exorbitant spending? You are a complete fool and the only one that doesn't know it is you.
 




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