Replace Shimano 600EX crank set replacement

On 3/24/21 12:41 PM, Luns Tee wrote:
On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 3:06:50 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 3/18/21 2:58 PM, Joerg wrote:
My chain rings are through again but replacements have become expensive.
It's now much cheaper to buy a simple crank set of another brand.
Preferably steel because aluminum wears so fast. What I have is:

Shimano 600EX, 52/42T, bottom bracket is 116mm JIS taper.

What I'd like to replace it with is this Vuelta Corsa set:

https://smile.amazon.com/Vuelta-8150...dp/B0081UV2NU/

It also comes in 53/39:

https://smile.amazon.com/Vuelta-8150...dp/B0081UUYXE/

If you were to go with that, I'd suggest the 130mm BCD version of that instead:

https://www.amazon.com/Vuelta-Corsa-...dp/B079TZYD87/

Assuming they didn't do anything funky with the bolt pattern and if you don't find the aesthetics too dissonant, you could then just swap the chainrings onto your existing crank and avoid any chainline issues.


Funny that you wrote that because that's exactly what I ordered a couple
days ago. When I saw the 130mm BCD I thought maybe I can scavenge just
the chain rings. Always looking for an excuse to be lazy.


But making the move to 50/32 seems to make a lot of sense. I don't think the extra 3mm of spindle on each side would be as much of an issue as the capacity of the front derailleur.


Yeah, a 34T smaller chain ring would have been nice, allowing for
smaller gears in back. OTOH I wear out chains fast enough as it is and
that would make it worse. The only downside otehr than weight (about
which I don't care) is that the inertia of that big cassette causes
chain slap when you suddenly have to stop pedaling. However, this is the
road bike where that doesn't happen much.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 3/18/21 2:58 PM, Joerg wrote:
My chain rings are through again but replacements have become expensive.
It's now much cheaper to buy a simple crank set of another brand.
Preferably steel because aluminum wears so fast. What I have is:

Shimano 600EX, 52/42T, bottom bracket is 116mm JIS taper.

What I'd like to replace it with is this Vuelta Corsa set:

https://smile.amazon.com/Vuelta-8150...dp/B0081UV2NU/


Only 50T which is kind of ok but the 32T lower will move me up hills
much better. Getting old, and all that sort of thing. However, says it's
for 110mm BB and I wonder if my chain line would go out of whack. I'll
ask on Amazon as well but usually there aren't good answers that way.

My shifters are simple friction levers and the front DR cage looks tall
enough to handle the 50/32 step.

Do you guys think this would work?


Long story short, I ordered the 53/39T Version with 130mm BCD - junk.
The cheap bolts were overtorqued and two of the Allen inserts stripped.
Plus they didn't send Vuelta Corsa but some no-name that was quite
scuffed up. Goes back for a refund :-(

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

Op zaterdag 27 maart 2021 om 23:41:04 UTC+1 schreef Joerg:
On 3/18/21 2:58 PM, Joerg wrote:
My chain rings are through again but replacements have become expensive.
It's now much cheaper to buy a simple crank set of another brand.
Preferably steel because aluminum wears so fast. What I have is:

Shimano 600EX, 52/42T, bottom bracket is 116mm JIS taper.

What I'd like to replace it with is this Vuelta Corsa set:

https://smile.amazon.com/Vuelta-8150...dp/B0081UV2NU/


Only 50T which is kind of ok but the 32T lower will move me up hills
much better. Getting old, and all that sort of thing. However, says it's
for 110mm BB and I wonder if my chain line would go out of whack. I'll
ask on Amazon as well but usually there aren't good answers that way.

My shifters are simple friction levers and the front DR cage looks tall
enough to handle the 50/32 step.

Do you guys think this would work?

Long story short, I ordered the 53/39T Version with 130mm BCD - junk.
The cheap bolts were overtorqued and two of the Allen inserts stripped.
Plus they didn't send Vuelta Corsa but some no-name that was quite
scuffed up. Goes back for a refund :-(
--
Regards, Joerg

That what I would expect from a 36 dollar crankset....junk.

Lou

On 3/28/21 4:29 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 27 maart 2021 om 23:41:04 UTC+1 schreef Joerg:
On 3/18/21 2:58 PM, Joerg wrote:
My chain rings are through again but replacements have become expensive.
It's now much cheaper to buy a simple crank set of another brand.
Preferably steel because aluminum wears so fast. What I have is:

Shimano 600EX, 52/42T, bottom bracket is 116mm JIS taper.

What I'd like to replace it with is this Vuelta Corsa set:

https://smile.amazon.com/Vuelta-8150...dp/B0081UV2NU/


Only 50T which is kind of ok but the 32T lower will move me up hills
much better. Getting old, and all that sort of thing. However, says it's
for 110mm BB and I wonder if my chain line would go out of whack. I'll
ask on Amazon as well but usually there aren't good answers that way.

My shifters are simple friction levers and the front DR cage looks tall
enough to handle the 50/32 step.

Do you guys think this would work?

Long story short, I ordered the 53/39T Version with 130mm BCD - junk.
The cheap bolts were overtorqued and two of the Allen inserts stripped.
Plus they didn't send Vuelta Corsa but some no-name that was quite
scuffed up. Goes back for a refund :-(
--
Regards, Joerg

That what I would expect from a 36 dollar crankset....junk.


I have seen good ones in that range. What is cheap were the chain rings
which are then steel. However, that's right up my alley because I am
after durability and not a weight weenie.

Thing is, what they sent were not Vuelta Corsa. Now I'll be looking for
steel chain rings with 130mm BCD because my cranks set itself is still good.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 3/28/2021 2:13 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 3/28/21 4:29 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 27 maart 2021 om 23:41:04 UTC+1 schreef Joerg:
On 3/18/21 2:58 PM, Joerg wrote:
My chain rings are through again but replacements have
become expensive.
It's now much cheaper to buy a simple crank set of
another brand.
Preferably steel because aluminum wears so fast. What I
have is:

Shimano 600EX, 52/42T, bottom bracket is 116mm JIS taper.

What I'd like to replace it with is this Vuelta Corsa set:

https://smile.amazon.com/Vuelta-8150...dp/B0081UV2NU/



Only 50T which is kind of ok but the 32T lower will move
me up hills
much better. Getting old, and all that sort of thing.
However, says it's
for 110mm BB and I wonder if my chain line would go out
of whack. I'll
ask on Amazon as well but usually there aren't good
answers that way.

My shifters are simple friction levers and the front DR
cage looks tall
enough to handle the 50/32 step.

Do you guys think this would work?

Long story short, I ordered the 53/39T Version with 130mm
BCD - junk.
The cheap bolts were overtorqued and two of the Allen
inserts stripped.
Plus they didn't send Vuelta Corsa but some no-name that
was quite
scuffed up. Goes back for a refund :-(
--
Regards, Joerg

That what I would expect from a 36 dollar crankset....junk.


I have seen good ones in that range. What is cheap were the
chain rings which are then steel. However, that's right up
my alley because I am after durability and not a weight weenie.

Thing is, what they sent were not Vuelta Corsa. Now I'll be
looking for steel chain rings with 130mm BCD because my
cranks set itself is still good.


Given your riding conditions, style and comments here, $36
for two steel rings is a really good value to you. Recycle
the arms and you're still way ahead.

*nb* Steel rings are frequently thinner than aluminum rings
with a milled recess. This is shown mostly by the chainring
bolts being damaged from overtorque while the rings still
rattle. Check that and add a spacer under the nut side as
needed.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 3/28/21 12:25 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/28/2021 2:13 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 3/28/21 4:29 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 27 maart 2021 om 23:41:04 UTC+1 schreef Joerg:
On 3/18/21 2:58 PM, Joerg wrote:
My chain rings are through again but replacements have
become expensive.
It's now much cheaper to buy a simple crank set of
another brand.
Preferably steel because aluminum wears so fast. What I
have is:

Shimano 600EX, 52/42T, bottom bracket is 116mm JIS taper.

What I'd like to replace it with is this Vuelta Corsa set:

https://smile.amazon.com/Vuelta-8150...dp/B0081UV2NU/




Only 50T which is kind of ok but the 32T lower will move
me up hills
much better. Getting old, and all that sort of thing.
However, says it's
for 110mm BB and I wonder if my chain line would go out
of whack. I'll
ask on Amazon as well but usually there aren't good
answers that way.

My shifters are simple friction levers and the front DR
cage looks tall
enough to handle the 50/32 step.

Do you guys think this would work?

Long story short, I ordered the 53/39T Version with 130mm
BCD - junk.
The cheap bolts were overtorqued and two of the Allen
inserts stripped.
Plus they didn't send Vuelta Corsa but some no-name that
was quite
scuffed up. Goes back for a refund :-(
--
Regards, Joerg

That what I would expect from a 36 dollar crankset....junk.


I have seen good ones in that range. What is cheap were the
chain rings which are then steel. However, that's right up
my alley because I am after durability and not a weight weenie.

Thing is, what they sent were not Vuelta Corsa. Now I'll be
looking for steel chain rings with 130mm BCD because my
cranks set itself is still good.


Given your riding conditions, style and comments here, $36 for two steel
rings is a really good value to you. Recycle the arms and you're still
way ahead.

*nb* Steel rings are frequently thinner than aluminum rings with a
milled recess. This is shown mostly by the chainring bolts being damaged
from overtorque while the rings still rattle. Check that and add a
spacer under the nut side as needed.


Darn, I already did the return thing. Mainly because I could not get two
of the bolts out. They were overtorqued and then the hex pattern
stripped out of the cheapo material. Could have somehow drilled them out
I guess. This also gave me the feeling that the steel rings are inferior
material as well and would wear off quickly.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 3/29/2021 11:00 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 3/28/21 12:25 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/28/2021 2:13 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 3/28/21 4:29 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 27 maart 2021 om 23:41:04 UTC+1 schreef Joerg:
On 3/18/21 2:58 PM, Joerg wrote:
My chain rings are through again but replacements have
become expensive.
It's now much cheaper to buy a simple crank set of
another brand.
Preferably steel because aluminum wears so fast. What I
have is:

Shimano 600EX, 52/42T, bottom bracket is 116mm JIS taper.

What I'd like to replace it with is this Vuelta Corsa
set:

https://smile.amazon.com/Vuelta-8150...dp/B0081UV2NU/




Only 50T which is kind of ok but the 32T lower will move
me up hills
much better. Getting old, and all that sort of thing.
However, says it's
for 110mm BB and I wonder if my chain line would go out
of whack. I'll
ask on Amazon as well but usually there aren't good
answers that way.

My shifters are simple friction levers and the front DR
cage looks tall
enough to handle the 50/32 step.

Do you guys think this would work?

Long story short, I ordered the 53/39T Version with 130mm
BCD - junk.
The cheap bolts were overtorqued and two of the Allen
inserts stripped.
Plus they didn't send Vuelta Corsa but some no-name that
was quite
scuffed up. Goes back for a refund :-(
--
Regards, Joerg

That what I would expect from a 36 dollar crankset....junk.


I have seen good ones in that range. What is cheap were the
chain rings which are then steel. However, that's right up
my alley because I am after durability and not a weight
weenie.

Thing is, what they sent were not Vuelta Corsa. Now I'll be
looking for steel chain rings with 130mm BCD because my
cranks set itself is still good.


Given your riding conditions, style and comments here, $36
for two steel rings is a really good value to you. Recycle
the arms and you're still way ahead.

*nb* Steel rings are frequently thinner than aluminum
rings with a milled recess. This is shown mostly by the
chainring bolts being damaged from overtorque while the
rings still rattle. Check that and add a spacer under the
nut side as needed.


Darn, I already did the return thing. Mainly because I could
not get two of the bolts out. They were overtorqued and then
the hex pattern stripped out of the cheapo material. Could
have somehow drilled them out I guess. This also gave me the
feeling that the steel rings are inferior material as well
and would wear off quickly.



Where wear is critical (high torque rider, excessive dirt,
high mileage etc) steel rings are an improvement. Notice
that many cranks come with pretty milled and pinned aluminum
outers but steel inners.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 3/29/21 10:45 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/29/2021 11:00 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 3/28/21 12:25 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/28/2021 2:13 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 3/28/21 4:29 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 27 maart 2021 om 23:41:04 UTC+1 schreef Joerg:
On 3/18/21 2:58 PM, Joerg wrote:
My chain rings are through again but replacements have
become expensive.
It's now much cheaper to buy a simple crank set of
another brand.
Preferably steel because aluminum wears so fast. What I
have is:

Shimano 600EX, 52/42T, bottom bracket is 116mm JIS taper.

What I'd like to replace it with is this Vuelta Corsa
set:

https://smile.amazon.com/Vuelta-8150...dp/B0081UV2NU/





Only 50T which is kind of ok but the 32T lower will move
me up hills
much better. Getting old, and all that sort of thing.
However, says it's
for 110mm BB and I wonder if my chain line would go out
of whack. I'll
ask on Amazon as well but usually there aren't good
answers that way.

My shifters are simple friction levers and the front DR
cage looks tall
enough to handle the 50/32 step.

Do you guys think this would work?

Long story short, I ordered the 53/39T Version with 130mm
BCD - junk.
The cheap bolts were overtorqued and two of the Allen
inserts stripped.
Plus they didn't send Vuelta Corsa but some no-name that
was quite
scuffed up. Goes back for a refund :-(
--
Regards, Joerg

That what I would expect from a 36 dollar crankset....junk.


I have seen good ones in that range. What is cheap were the
chain rings which are then steel. However, that's right up
my alley because I am after durability and not a weight
weenie.

Thing is, what they sent were not Vuelta Corsa. Now I'll be
looking for steel chain rings with 130mm BCD because my
cranks set itself is still good.


Given your riding conditions, style and comments here, $36
for two steel rings is a really good value to you. Recycle
the arms and you're still way ahead.

*nb* Steel rings are frequently thinner than aluminum
rings with a milled recess. This is shown mostly by the
chainring bolts being damaged from overtorque while the
rings still rattle. Check that and add a spacer under the
nut side as needed.


Darn, I already did the return thing. Mainly because I could
not get two of the bolts out. They were overtorqued and then
the hex pattern stripped out of the cheapo material. Could
have somehow drilled them out I guess. This also gave me the
feeling that the steel rings are inferior material as well
and would wear off quickly.



Where wear is critical (high torque rider, excessive dirt, high mileage
etc) ...


That sounds like me :-)


... steel rings are an improvement. Notice that many cranks come with
pretty milled and pinned aluminum outers but steel inners.


So far I haven't found much 130mm BCD stuff in steel. If I really can't
maybe I order that set again and then drill out the bolts to scavenge
the chain rings. It's probably not very good steel but better than nothing.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 3/29/21 12:56 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 3/29/21 10:45 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/29/2021 11:00 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 3/28/21 12:25 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/28/2021 2:13 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 3/28/21 4:29 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 27 maart 2021 om 23:41:04 UTC+1 schreef Joerg:
On 3/18/21 2:58 PM, Joerg wrote:
My chain rings are through again but replacements have
become expensive.
It's now much cheaper to buy a simple crank set of
another brand.
Preferably steel because aluminum wears so fast. What I
have is:

Shimano 600EX, 52/42T, bottom bracket is 116mm JIS taper.

What I'd like to replace it with is this Vuelta Corsa
set:

https://smile.amazon.com/Vuelta-8150...dp/B0081UV2NU/





Only 50T which is kind of ok but the 32T lower will move
me up hills
much better. Getting old, and all that sort of thing.
However, says it's
for 110mm BB and I wonder if my chain line would go out
of whack. I'll
ask on Amazon as well but usually there aren't good
answers that way.

My shifters are simple friction levers and the front DR
cage looks tall
enough to handle the 50/32 step.

Do you guys think this would work?

Long story short, I ordered the 53/39T Version with 130mm
BCD - junk.
The cheap bolts were overtorqued and two of the Allen
inserts stripped.
Plus they didn't send Vuelta Corsa but some no-name that
was quite
scuffed up. Goes back for a refund :-(
--
Regards, Joerg

That what I would expect from a 36 dollar crankset....junk.


I have seen good ones in that range. What is cheap were the
chain rings which are then steel. However, that's right up
my alley because I am after durability and not a weight
weenie.

Thing is, what they sent were not Vuelta Corsa. Now I'll be
looking for steel chain rings with 130mm BCD because my
cranks set itself is still good.


Given your riding conditions, style and comments here, $36
for two steel rings is a really good value to you. Recycle
the arms and you're still way ahead.

*nb* Steel rings are frequently thinner than aluminum
rings with a milled recess. This is shown mostly by the
chainring bolts being damaged from overtorque while the
rings still rattle. Check that and add a spacer under the
nut side as needed.


Darn, I already did the return thing. Mainly because I could
not get two of the bolts out. They were overtorqued and then
the hex pattern stripped out of the cheapo material. Could
have somehow drilled them out I guess. This also gave me the
feeling that the steel rings are inferior material as well
and would wear off quickly.



Where wear is critical (high torque rider, excessive dirt, high
mileage etc) ...


That sounds like me :-)


Â*... steel rings are an improvement. Notice that many cranks come with
pretty milled and pinned aluminum outers but steel inners.


So far I haven't found much 130mm BCD stuff in steel. If I really can't
maybe I order that set again and then drill out the bolts to scavenge
the chain rings. It's probably not very good steel but better than nothing.


P.S.: Aluminum chain rings have another major downside. They cannot be
turned around for a 2nd life because then the hole recesses are on the
wrong side.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 3/29/2021 3:19 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 3/29/21 12:56 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 3/29/21 10:45 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/29/2021 11:00 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 3/28/21 12:25 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 3/28/2021 2:13 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 3/28/21 4:29 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 27 maart 2021 om 23:41:04 UTC+1 schreef
Joerg:
On 3/18/21 2:58 PM, Joerg wrote:
My chain rings are through again but replacements have
become expensive.
It's now much cheaper to buy a simple crank set of
another brand.
Preferably steel because aluminum wears so fast.
What I
have is:

Shimano 600EX, 52/42T, bottom bracket is 116mm JIS
taper.

What I'd like to replace it with is this Vuelta Corsa
set:

https://smile.amazon.com/Vuelta-8150...dp/B0081UV2NU/





Only 50T which is kind of ok but the 32T lower will
move
me up hills
much better. Getting old, and all that sort of thing.
However, says it's
for 110mm BB and I wonder if my chain line would go
out
of whack. I'll
ask on Amazon as well but usually there aren't good
answers that way.

My shifters are simple friction levers and the
front DR
cage looks tall
enough to handle the 50/32 step.

Do you guys think this would work?

Long story short, I ordered the 53/39T Version with
130mm
BCD - junk.
The cheap bolts were overtorqued and two of the Allen
inserts stripped.
Plus they didn't send Vuelta Corsa but some no-name
that
was quite
scuffed up. Goes back for a refund :-(
--
Regards, Joerg

That what I would expect from a 36 dollar
crankset....junk.


I have seen good ones in that range. What is cheap
were the
chain rings which are then steel. However, that's
right up
my alley because I am after durability and not a weight
weenie.

Thing is, what they sent were not Vuelta Corsa. Now
I'll be
looking for steel chain rings with 130mm BCD because my
cranks set itself is still good.


Given your riding conditions, style and comments here, $36
for two steel rings is a really good value to you. Recycle
the arms and you're still way ahead.

*nb* Steel rings are frequently thinner than aluminum
rings with a milled recess. This is shown mostly by the
chainring bolts being damaged from overtorque while the
rings still rattle. Check that and add a spacer under the
nut side as needed.


Darn, I already did the return thing. Mainly because I
could
not get two of the bolts out. They were overtorqued and
then
the hex pattern stripped out of the cheapo material. Could
have somehow drilled them out I guess. This also gave me
the
feeling that the steel rings are inferior material as well
and would wear off quickly.



Where wear is critical (high torque rider, excessive
dirt, high mileage etc) ...


That sounds like me :-)


 ... steel rings are an improvement. Notice that many
cranks come with pretty milled and pinned aluminum outers
but steel inners.


So far I haven't found much 130mm BCD stuff in steel. If I
really can't maybe I order that set again and then drill
out the bolts to scavenge the chain rings. It's probably
not very good steel but better than nothing.


P.S.: Aluminum chain rings have another major downside. They
cannot be turned around for a 2nd life because then the hole
recesses are on the wrong side.


Maybe, maybe not. I think you'll find most modern steel
chainrings are offset and also ramped for shifting.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971