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On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:04:42 +0100, Andrew Price
wrote: On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:06:00 +1100, John Henderson wrote: [---] I note from your message headers that you're posting through something called "4ax.com". That just means that he's using Agent to post with - in its default configuration, it adds the suffix "4ax.com" to its message IDs. Dear Andrew, Thanks for pointing that out--I never noticed it, but sure enough, there's the @4ax.com in my Agent headers, and the Agent help screens eventually explain it: md5 is a globally-unique string, generated from random state on your PC and encoded using the MD5 algorithm. 4AX.COM is a domain name owned by Forte for exclusive use by Agent for the purpose of generating message-ids. This is the format recommended by Forte. md5@server md5 is the same globally-unique string described above. server is the name of the nntp or smtp server to which the message is being posted. This format is available for users who prefer to have message-ids contain the name of the posting server rather than the Forte-owned 4AX.COM domain name. date.tic@server date.tic is a number generating by combining the current date and time and the Windows tick count. server is the name of the nntp or smtp server to which the message is being posted. This is the format used by previous versions of Agent. Forte recommends that this format no longer be used, since it is more likely to genereate non-unique ids. Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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On Mar 16, 5:45*pm, "
wrote: Andre Jute wrote: TOWARDS A NORMATIVE CASE FOR BICYCLE LIGHTS 1. Bicycle lights are for seeing and being seen. 2. In my opinion, bicyclists are not lesser human beings than motorists. It should be stressed that bicyclists have responsibilities to motorists as motorists have to cyclists. *To meet their responsibilities, I think cyclists presently require two sets of lights: 3. One set of lights, driven by batteries, for making a lot of light that permits the cyclist to see and, more important, to be seen by motorists. 4. The other set of lights, powered by a hub dynamo, will be always available as an emergency backup. If these dynohub-driven lights are LED they can be run constantly because their lifetime is for practical purposes infinite; they may be used as daylight running lights. Currently the best front dynohub light is the LED BUMM Fly IQ; it has no flashing facility. German and Dutch rear bicycle lights, if used outside their native milieu, need to be supplemented with a brighter light, preferably flashing. See point 7 below. 5. We can hope in the light of recent events that sometime in the the next decade LED dynamo front lights will be powerful enough for both functions, see and being seen. Unfortunately there seems to be no impetus for mainstream dynamo light makers to make a brighter rear light than currently available, and German and Dutch law, in their major markets, forbid flashing lights. Decent rear dynohub lights (or battery lights for that matter) with more output and flashing modes will thus have to come from specialists and will accordingly be relatively more expensive. 6. It is my opinion that any cyclist who is not one of a mass of cyclists in places where motorists routinely expect to see cyclists should have flashing lights front and rear to establish his presence. 7. The only rear lights that are good enough to be primary lights are made by Dinotte and Cateyes (TL-LD1100). German and Dutch lights are simply too limp, and in any event do not have a flashing facility. 8. I'm working on finding front flashing lights; my current idea is to add simple electronics to a BUMM Fly IQ to make it flash; the Reelights may suit others but won't fit my bike. Thoughts, expansions, alternative ideas welcome. Andre Jute If at first you don't succeed, try again. I use a Sigma Cuberider rear light http://www.sigmasport.com/en/produkt...ard_lights/cub... when I will be riding in the dark or dusk. Nice and slim and easy to move from bike to bike. If I will be riding in the dark, I use a Silva 480 headlight: http://tinyurl.com/yt8gwp I only ride in the dark off-road with occasional short transfers on the road from one forest area to another. If I rode on the road in the dark, I would use a bar mounted light for illumination. A headlight is nice because it can be moved around. When it is light and good visibility I don't use lights. I have reflective tape (in black!) on my bike in various places. Whether I use lights or not, I ride as though I were invisible at night. I ride in rural conditions, with the occasional suburban foray. Back when I lived in a big city, I never used lights, and took it upon myself to keep myslef out of harm's way. Any use of lights would have have given me false confidence from the potentially false assumption that I would be seen. Joseph So you ride like a cat walks on a hot tin roof. I do wonder though if a guy who has clearly thought about what he wants and needs should be in the least concerned about "false confidence." I find that one of the big advantages of sitting tall on my Dutch city bikes is that in daytime, and in close traffic at night, I can make eye-contact with the drivers of SUVs. Once they've looked you in the eye it is really very rare for them to do something stupid near you. Andre Jute Eyeballing nemesis |
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On Mar 16, 6:21*pm, Ron Ruff wrote:
On Mar 16, 10:19*am, Andre Jute wrote: Normative just means "what should be" or, when I use it and I'm addressing the Krygo-Fogel School of Ignorance, "I'm telling you from on high, sonny". and should not be (normatively, heh-heh!) bullied by trash like the Krygo-Fogels. So stick around and contribute something; the worst is already over Careful with the "character assasination" Andre. You mean those guys are so thick, they're going to try assassinating my character again? Nah, nobody, not even the Krygo-Fogel trash could be that stupid after what happened to them the last time. But thanks for thinking of me, Ron. Andre Jute Not taking any prisoners this month |
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Andrew Price wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:06:00 +1100, John Henderson wrote: [---] I note from your message headers that you're posting through something called "4ax.com". That just means that he's using Agent to post with - in its default configuration, it adds the suffix "4ax.com" to its message IDs. Pete, maybe you've got a message filter that's running amok? John |
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On Mar 16, 6:22*pm, Hank wrote:
On Mar 16, 9:19 am, Andre Jute wrote: On Mar 16, 5:44 am, Michael Press wrote: ***** Andre Jute wrote: TOWARDS A NORMATIVE CASE FOR BICYCLE LIGHTS 1. Bicycle lights are for seeing and being seen. 2. In my opinion, bicyclists are not lesser human beings than motorists. It should be stressed that bicyclists have responsibilities to motorists as motorists have to cyclists. *To meet their responsibilities, I think cyclists presently require two sets of lights: 3. One set of lights, driven by batteries, for making a lot of light that permits the cyclist to see and, more important, to be seen by motorists. 4. The other set of lights, powered by a hub dynamo, will be always available as an emergency backup. If these dynohub-driven lights are LED they can be run constantly because their lifetime is for practical purposes infinite; they may be used as daylight running lights. Currently the best front dynohub light is the LED BUMM Fly IQ; it has no flashing facility. German and Dutch rear bicycle lights, if used outside their native milieu, need to be supplemented with a brighter light, preferably flashing. See point 7 below. 5. We can hope in the light of recent events that sometime in the the next decade LED dynamo front lights will be powerful enough for both functions, see and being seen. Unfortunately there seems to be no impetus for mainstream dynamo light makers to make a brighter rear light than currently available, and German and Dutch law, in their major markets, forbid flashing lights. Decent rear dynohub lights (or battery lights for that matter) with more output and flashing modes will thus have to come from specialists and will accordingly be relatively more expensive. 6. It is my opinion that any cyclist who is not one of a mass of cyclists in places where motorists routinely expect to see cyclists should have flashing lights front and rear to establish his presence. 7. The only rear lights that are good enough to be primary lights are made by Dinotte and Cateyes (TL-LD1100). German and Dutch lights are simply too limp, and in any event do not have a flashing facility. 8. I'm working on finding front flashing lights; my current idea is to add simple electronics to a BUMM Fly IQ to make it flash; the Reelights may suit others but won't fit my bike. Thoughts, expansions, alternative ideas welcome. Andre Jute If at first you don't succeed, try again. ***** I don't know the definition but `normative' means "We're about to drop a barge load of fertilizer on you. Bon appetit." Normative just means "what should be" or, when I use it and I'm addressing the Krygo-Fogel School of Ignorance, "I'm telling you from on high, sonny". I'm outta here. I don't see that lights are particularly difficult, except for the fascist fashion faction who want so much to belong to the crowd that they will risk their lives to be seen to conform. And this is why you're a jackass. We'll see who is the jackass, anonymous Hank, when we've evaluated your fulminations: You present the false dilemma that one either: a) believes in lighting overkill; or Nope. "Overkill" is your subjective judgement. b) doesn't value his or her own life. Where did I say that? I said some people will risk their lives so as to be seen to conform to some pack mentality. That is how highly they value their lives: to the total extent of belonging. If your peer group is into dangerous activities, like having inadequate bicycle lights, then it should be a free choice not to belong, not to be bullied by your kind of sneering and jeering. Your position is the equivalent to one that people who don't wear both belts and suspenders (or braces,if you're a Brit) are immodest, because if you only use a belt, it might break and your pants will fall down. Nah, that's the position of the dynohub fanatics. They claim batteries fail at inconvenient times. Me, I want to use my dynohub to operate flashing lights front and rear, and just be there in emergencies, same as you carry a spare tube. You do carry a spare tube, don't you, anonymous Hank? Calling those who disagree with you suicidal makes you the fascist, especially since you're on the "buy more stuff" side (classical Italian fascism is also corporatism). Let's take this bit of empty vituperation section by section: Calling those who disagree with you suicidal I didn't. I don't care if you and your entire peer group want to commit suicide by becoming automobile fatality statistics. It is your right to choose the time and place of your death. I'm a libertarian. I merely point out that your method will cause stress and expense to motorists, which is anti-social and and counterproductive for the rest of us. If you insist on committing suicide, opening a vein in your bath leads to the least mess. makes you the fascist, especially since you're on the "buy more stuff" side Actually, I probably have less invested in my bikes than most people on RBT, and I bet each of my bikes cost less than 70 per cent of the bikes ridden by RBTers. I have already pointed out elsewhere that the dearth of good rear lights, and their prices, is a scandal. I have explained how you can DIY good lights cheaply. Now you, anonymous Hank, wants to tag me as the last of the big spenders. Put your mind in gear, sonny, and stop making a fool of yourself. (classical Italian fascism is also corporatism). What are you, anonymous Hank, some kind of an undereducated workshop lecturer at a jumped-up tech now calling itself a "community college"? Italian fascists were violent socialists, you moron, who wanted state control of corporations; like Hitler they thought the corporation should serve the State. You're thinking of the control of the state by corporations, as in USA today. The two conditions are diametrically opposed. For the first and only time in my life, I wish I was more like Michael Press, who had the good sense to walk away from this thread. You should have, for now we are in a position, as promised, to see who is a "jackass", which is a packmule, bred by crossing an ass with a horse, resulting in a dumb, sterile animal. You clearly don't have any breeding, for you're trying to lay off the guilt of your suicidal tendency on a stranger. You clearly are a loser who will be no loss to the gene pool, and in the scheme of things those soon suffer a darwinian accident. and you clearly are dumb, anonymous Hank. Looks like you're the jackass. If you have anything sensible to say about lights, please do feel welcome. Andre Jute Policies not personalities -- Edmund Burke |
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"Andre Jute" wrote in message ... On Mar 16, 6:22 pm, Hank wrote: On Mar 16, 9:19 am, Andre Jute wrote: On Mar 16, 5:44 am, Michael Press wrote: ***** Andre Jute wrote: TOWARDS A NORMATIVE CASE FOR BICYCLE LIGHTS 1. Bicycle lights are for seeing and being seen. 2. In my opinion, bicyclists are not lesser human beings than motorists. It should be stressed that bicyclists have responsibilities to motorists as motorists have to cyclists. To meet their responsibilities, I think cyclists presently require two sets of lights: 3. One set of lights, driven by batteries, for making a lot of light that permits the cyclist to see and, more important, to be seen by motorists. 4. The other set of lights, powered by a hub dynamo, will be always available as an emergency backup. If these dynohub-driven lights are LED they can be run constantly because their lifetime is for practical purposes infinite; they may be used as daylight running lights. Currently the best front dynohub light is the LED BUMM Fly IQ; it has no flashing facility. German and Dutch rear bicycle lights, if used outside their native milieu, need to be supplemented with a brighter light, preferably flashing. See point 7 below. 5. We can hope in the light of recent events that sometime in the the next decade LED dynamo front lights will be powerful enough for both functions, see and being seen. Unfortunately there seems to be no impetus for mainstream dynamo light makers to make a brighter rear light than currently available, and German and Dutch law, in their major markets, forbid flashing lights. Decent rear dynohub lights (or battery lights for that matter) with more output and flashing modes will thus have to come from specialists and will accordingly be relatively more expensive. 6. It is my opinion that any cyclist who is not one of a mass of cyclists in places where motorists routinely expect to see cyclists should have flashing lights front and rear to establish his presence. 7. The only rear lights that are good enough to be primary lights are made by Dinotte and Cateyes (TL-LD1100). German and Dutch lights are simply too limp, and in any event do not have a flashing facility. 8. I'm working on finding front flashing lights; my current idea is to add simple electronics to a BUMM Fly IQ to make it flash; the Reelights may suit others but won't fit my bike. Thoughts, expansions, alternative ideas welcome. Andre Jute If at first you don't succeed, try again. ***** I don't know the definition but `normative' means "We're about to drop a barge load of fertilizer on you. Bon appetit." Normative just means "what should be" or, when I use it and I'm addressing the Krygo-Fogel School of Ignorance, "I'm telling you from on high, sonny". I'm outta here. I don't see that lights are particularly difficult, except for the fascist fashion faction who want so much to belong to the crowd that they will risk their lives to be seen to conform. And this is why you're a jackass. We'll see who is the jackass, anonymous Hank, when we've evaluated your fulminations: You present the false dilemma that one either: a) believes in lighting overkill; or Nope. "Overkill" is your subjective judgement. b) doesn't value his or her own life. Where did I say that? I said some people will risk their lives so as to be seen to conform to some pack mentality. That is how highly they value their lives: to the total extent of belonging. If your peer group is into dangerous activities, like having inadequate bicycle lights, then it should be a free choice not to belong, not to be bullied by your kind of sneering and jeering. Your position is the equivalent to one that people who don't wear both belts and suspenders (or braces,if you're a Brit) are immodest, because if you only use a belt, it might break and your pants will fall down. Nah, that's the position of the dynohub fanatics. They claim batteries fail at inconvenient times. Me, I want to use my dynohub to operate flashing lights front and rear, and just be there in emergencies, same as you carry a spare tube. You do carry a spare tube, don't you, anonymous Hank? Calling those who disagree with you suicidal makes you the fascist, especially since you're on the "buy more stuff" side (classical Italian fascism is also corporatism). Let's take this bit of empty vituperation section by section: Calling those who disagree with you suicidal I didn't. I don't care if you and your entire peer group want to commit suicide by becoming automobile fatality statistics. It is your right to choose the time and place of your death. I'm a libertarian. I merely point out that your method will cause stress and expense to motorists, which is anti-social and and counterproductive for the rest of us. If you insist on committing suicide, opening a vein in your bath leads to the least mess. makes you the fascist, especially since you're on the "buy more stuff" side Actually, I probably have less invested in my bikes than most people on RBT, and I bet each of my bikes cost less than 70 per cent of the bikes ridden by RBTers. I have already pointed out elsewhere that the dearth of good rear lights, and their prices, is a scandal. I have explained how you can DIY good lights cheaply. Now you, anonymous Hank, wants to tag me as the last of the big spenders. Put your mind in gear, sonny, and stop making a fool of yourself. (classical Italian fascism is also corporatism). What are you, anonymous Hank, some kind of an undereducated workshop lecturer at a jumped-up tech now calling itself a "community college"? Italian fascists were violent socialists, you moron, who wanted state control of corporations; like Hitler they thought the corporation should serve the State. You're thinking of the control of the state by corporations, as in USA today. The two conditions are diametrically opposed. For the first and only time in my life, I wish I was more like Michael Press, who had the good sense to walk away from this thread. You should have, for now we are in a position, as promised, to see who is a "jackass", which is a packmule, bred by crossing an ass with a horse, resulting in a dumb, sterile animal. You clearly don't have any breeding, for you're trying to lay off the guilt of your suicidal tendency on a stranger. You clearly are a loser who will be no loss to the gene pool, and in the scheme of things those soon suffer a darwinian accident. and you clearly are dumb, anonymous Hank. Looks like you're the jackass. If you have anything sensible to say about lights, please do feel welcome. Andre Jute Policies not personalities -- Edmund Burke Andre, A jackass is a male ass. A mule is the (usually sterile) offspring of a male donkey and a female horse. A hinny is the (usually sterile) offspring of a male horse and a female donkey. None of the three mentioned immediately above (jackass, mule, hinny) are particularly dumb, either in intelligence or in ability to make sounds. Kerry |
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On Mar 17, 12:50*am, "Kerry Montgomery" wrote:
"Andre Jute" wrote in message ... On Mar 16, 6:22 pm, Hank wrote: On Mar 16, 9:19 am, Andre Jute wrote: On Mar 16, 5:44 am, Michael Press wrote: ***** Andre Jute wrote: TOWARDS A NORMATIVE CASE FOR BICYCLE LIGHTS 1. Bicycle lights are for seeing and being seen. 2. In my opinion, bicyclists are not lesser human beings than motorists. It should be stressed that bicyclists have responsibilities to motorists as motorists have to cyclists. To meet their responsibilities, I think cyclists presently require two sets of lights: 3. One set of lights, driven by batteries, for making a lot of light that permits the cyclist to see and, more important, to be seen by motorists. 4. The other set of lights, powered by a hub dynamo, will be always available as an emergency backup. If these dynohub-driven lights are LED they can be run constantly because their lifetime is for practical purposes infinite; they may be used as daylight running lights. Currently the best front dynohub light is the LED BUMM Fly IQ; it has no flashing facility. German and Dutch rear bicycle lights, if used outside their native milieu, need to be supplemented with a brighter light, preferably flashing. See point 7 below. 5. We can hope in the light of recent events that sometime in the the next decade LED dynamo front lights will be powerful enough for both functions, see and being seen. Unfortunately there seems to be no impetus for mainstream dynamo light makers to make a brighter rear light than currently available, and German and Dutch law, in their major markets, forbid flashing lights. Decent rear dynohub lights (or battery lights for that matter) with more output and flashing modes will thus have to come from specialists and will accordingly be relatively more expensive. 6. It is my opinion that any cyclist who is not one of a mass of cyclists in places where motorists routinely expect to see cyclists should have flashing lights front and rear to establish his presence.. 7. The only rear lights that are good enough to be primary lights are made by Dinotte and Cateyes (TL-LD1100). German and Dutch lights are simply too limp, and in any event do not have a flashing facility. 8. I'm working on finding front flashing lights; my current idea is to add simple electronics to a BUMM Fly IQ to make it flash; the Reelights may suit others but won't fit my bike. Thoughts, expansions, alternative ideas welcome. Andre Jute If at first you don't succeed, try again. ***** I don't know the definition but `normative' means "We're about to drop a barge load of fertilizer on you. Bon appetit." Normative just means "what should be" or, when I use it and I'm addressing the Krygo-Fogel School of Ignorance, "I'm telling you from on high, sonny". I'm outta here. I don't see that lights are particularly difficult, except for the fascist fashion faction who want so much to belong to the crowd that they will risk their lives to be seen to conform. And this is why you're a jackass. We'll see who is the jackass, anonymous Hank, when we've evaluated your fulminations: You present the false dilemma that one either: a) believes in lighting overkill; or Nope. "Overkill" is your subjective judgement. b) doesn't value his or her own life. Where did I say that? I said some people will risk their lives so as to be seen to conform to some pack mentality. That is how highly they value their lives: to the total extent of belonging. If your peer group is into dangerous activities, like having inadequate bicycle lights, then it should be a free choice not to belong, not to be bullied by your kind of sneering and jeering. Your position is the equivalent to one that people who don't wear both belts and suspenders (or braces,if you're a Brit) are immodest, because if you only use a belt, it might break and your pants will fall down. Nah, that's the position of the dynohub fanatics. They claim batteries fail at inconvenient times. Me, I want to use my dynohub to operate flashing lights front and rear, and just be there in emergencies, same as you carry a spare tube. You do carry a spare tube, don't you, anonymous Hank? Calling those who disagree with you suicidal makes you the fascist, especially since you're on the "buy more stuff" side (classical Italian fascism is also corporatism). Let's take this bit of empty vituperation section by section: Calling those who disagree with you suicidal I didn't. I don't care if you and your entire peer group want to commit suicide by becoming automobile fatality statistics. It is your right to choose the time and place of your death. I'm a libertarian. I merely point out that your method will cause stress and expense to motorists, which is anti-social and and counterproductive for the rest of us. If you insist on committing suicide, opening a vein in your bath leads to the least mess. makes you the fascist, especially since you're on the "buy more stuff" side Actually, I probably have less invested in my bikes than most people on RBT, and I bet each of my bikes cost less than 70 per cent of the bikes ridden by RBTers. I have already pointed out elsewhere that the dearth of good rear lights, and their prices, is a scandal. I have explained how you can DIY good lights cheaply. Now you, anonymous Hank, wants to tag me as the last of the big spenders. Put your mind in gear, sonny, and stop making a fool of yourself. (classical Italian fascism is also corporatism). What are you, anonymous Hank, some kind of an undereducated workshop lecturer at a jumped-up tech now calling itself a "community college"? Italian fascists were violent socialists, you moron, who wanted state control of corporations; like Hitler they thought the corporation should serve the State. You're thinking of the control of the state by corporations, as in USA today. The two conditions are diametrically opposed. For the first and only time in my life, I wish I was more like Michael Press, who had the good sense to walk away from this thread. You should have, for now we are in a position, as promised, to see who is a "jackass", which is a packmule, bred by crossing an ass with a horse, resulting in a dumb, sterile animal. You clearly don't have any breeding, for you're trying to lay off the guilt of your suicidal tendency on a stranger. You clearly are a loser who will be no loss to the gene pool, and in the scheme of things those soon suffer a darwinian accident. and you clearly are dumb, anonymous Hank. Looks like you're the jackass. If you have anything sensible to say about lights, please do feel welcome. Andre Jute Policies not personalities -- Edmund Burke Andre, A jackass is a male ass. A mule is the (usually sterile) offspring of a male donkey and a female horse. A hinny is the (usually sterile) offspring of a male horse and a female donkey. None of the three mentioned immediately above (jackass, mule, hinny) are particularly dumb, either in intelligence or in ability to make sounds. Kerry I just live in the countryside, Kerry; I'm not a countryman. Thanks for the heads-up. Andre Jute Never too old to learn something new |
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normative problem here is cyclists riding at night can't afford
batteries or so they believe. Thye're kitchen help or worse temp kitchen help, bathroom cleaners and me maybe if I get caught intwilight riding back with a loada crabs and squid from town center. butbubutut I carry lights in the backpack then throw in more as fall progresses so I look like the lectric cyclist. The usual casulaties here are Mex and rich guys who offended someone. The night casualties are almost always Mex, black folk being too smart to go out at night. This problabbby true nation wide |
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On Mar 16, 5:09*pm, Andre Jute wrote:
On Mar 16, 6:22*pm, Hank wrote: On Mar 16, 9:19 am, Andre Jute wrote: On Mar 16, 5:44 am, Michael Press wrote: ***** Andre Jute wrote: TOWARDS A NORMATIVE CASE FOR BICYCLE LIGHTS 1. Bicycle lights are for seeing and being seen. 2. In my opinion, bicyclists are not lesser human beings than motorists. It should be stressed that bicyclists have responsibilities to motorists as motorists have to cyclists. *To meet their responsibilities, I think cyclists presently require two sets of lights: 3. One set of lights, driven by batteries, for making a lot of light that permits the cyclist to see and, more important, to be seen by motorists. 4. The other set of lights, powered by a hub dynamo, will be always available as an emergency backup. If these dynohub-driven lights are LED they can be run constantly because their lifetime is for practical purposes infinite; they may be used as daylight running lights. Currently the best front dynohub light is the LED BUMM Fly IQ; it has no flashing facility. German and Dutch rear bicycle lights, if used outside their native milieu, need to be supplemented with a brighter light, preferably flashing. See point 7 below. 5. We can hope in the light of recent events that sometime in the the next decade LED dynamo front lights will be powerful enough for both functions, see and being seen. Unfortunately there seems to be no impetus for mainstream dynamo light makers to make a brighter rear light than currently available, and German and Dutch law, in their major markets, forbid flashing lights. Decent rear dynohub lights (or battery lights for that matter) with more output and flashing modes will thus have to come from specialists and will accordingly be relatively more expensive. 6. It is my opinion that any cyclist who is not one of a mass of cyclists in places where motorists routinely expect to see cyclists should have flashing lights front and rear to establish his presence.. 7. The only rear lights that are good enough to be primary lights are made by Dinotte and Cateyes (TL-LD1100). German and Dutch lights are simply too limp, and in any event do not have a flashing facility. 8. I'm working on finding front flashing lights; my current idea is to add simple electronics to a BUMM Fly IQ to make it flash; the Reelights may suit others but won't fit my bike. Thoughts, expansions, alternative ideas welcome. Andre Jute If at first you don't succeed, try again. ***** I don't know the definition but `normative' means "We're about to drop a barge load of fertilizer on you. Bon appetit." Normative just means "what should be" or, when I use it and I'm addressing the Krygo-Fogel School of Ignorance, "I'm telling you from on high, sonny". I'm outta here. I don't see that lights are particularly difficult, except for the fascist fashion faction who want so much to belong to the crowd that they will risk their lives to be seen to conform. And this is why you're a jackass. We'll see who is the jackass, anonymous Hank, when we've evaluated your fulminations: Where do you get the idea that I'm anonymous? I posted here for several years with my last name, I believe much longer than you have. My real email address is there, in the post you quoted, and my last name is in the domain. Look up the home page for the domain, that's me. You present the false dilemma that one either: a) believes in lighting overkill; or Nope. "Overkill" is your subjective judgement. As is yours. b) doesn't value his or her own life. Where did I say that? I said some people will risk their lives so as to be seen to conform to some pack mentality. That is how highly they value their lives: to the total extent of belonging. If your peer group is into dangerous activities, like having inadequate bicycle lights, then it should be a free choice not to belong, not to be bullied by your kind of sneering and jeering. Again, adequacy is a subjective judgement. We're not saying you're a wimp for demanding your overkill, we just want you to stop calling us suicidal. WHICH YOU JUST DID AGAIN. Your position is the equivalent to one that people who don't wear both belts and suspenders (or braces,if you're a Brit) are immodest, because if you only use a belt, it might break and your pants will fall down. Nah, that's the position of the dynohub fanatics. They claim batteries fail at inconvenient times. They can and do, but that's not my primary reason for using dynohubs. I don't want to deal with batteries, period. Both from a convenience standpoint and an environmental one. Me, I want to use my dynohub to operate flashing lights front and rear, and just be there in emergencies, same as you carry a spare tube. You do carry a spare tube, don't you, anonymous Hank? Spare tubes cost three dollars and weigh 75 grams. Being a backup isn't what dynohubs were designed for. They're supposed to be primary systems. If you only want to have it as a backup, fine, but don't cast aspersions on those who use it as intended. Calling those who disagree with you suicidal makes you the fascist, especially since you're on the "buy more stuff" side (classical Italian fascism is also corporatism). Let's take this bit of empty vituperation section by section: Calling those who disagree with you suicidal I didn't. Yes, you did. I don't care if you and your entire peer group want to commit suicide by becoming automobile fatality statistics. It is your right to choose the time and place of your death. I'm a libertarian. I merely point out that your method will cause stress and expense to motorists, which is anti-social and and counterproductive for the rest of us. If you insist on committing suicide, opening a vein in your bath leads to the least mess. There, you just did it again. makes you the fascist, especially since you're on the "buy more stuff" side Actually, I probably have less invested in my bikes than most people on RBT, and I bet each of my bikes cost less than 70 per cent of the bikes ridden by RBTers. I have already pointed out elsewhere that the dearth of good rear lights, and their prices, is a scandal. I have explained how you can DIY good lights cheaply. Now you, anonymous Hank, wants to tag me as the last of the big spenders. Put your mind in gear, sonny, and stop making a fool of yourself. (classical Italian fascism is also corporatism). What are you, anonymous Hank, some kind of an undereducated workshop lecturer at a jumped-up tech now calling itself a "community college"? Italian fascists were violent socialists, you moron, who wanted state control of corporations; like Hitler they thought the corporation should serve the State. You're thinking of the control of the state by corporations, as in USA today. The two conditions are diametrically opposed. No, that's National Socialism, aka Nazism. They're similar, but diverge when it comes to corporatism. This article explains the difference- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism From it, I quote: "Fascism in Italy combined elements of corporatism, totalitarianism, nationalism, militarism and anti-Communism." And since you asked, I have BAs in English and Philosophy (both with pre-law options), and a minor in PoliSci from a major Land Grant University. For the first and only time in my life, I wish I was more like Michael Press, who had the good sense to walk away from this thread. You should have, for now we are in a position, as promised, to see who is a "jackass", which is a packmule, bred by crossing an ass with a horse, resulting in a dumb, sterile animal. You clearly don't have any breeding, for you're trying to lay off the guilt of your suicidal tendency on a stranger. You clearly are a loser who will be no loss to the gene pool, and in the scheme of things those soon suffer a darwinian accident. and you clearly are dumb, anonymous Hank. Looks like you're the jackass. "I'm rubber, you're glue" - THAT'S your argument? Have a nice day. |
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TOWARDS A NORMATIVE CASE FOR BICYCLE LIGHTS
On Mar 17, 12:32*am, Andre Jute wrote:
On Mar 16, 5:45*pm, " wrote: Andre Jute wrote: TOWARDS A NORMATIVE CASE FOR BICYCLE LIGHTS 1. Bicycle lights are for seeing and being seen. 2. In my opinion, bicyclists are not lesser human beings than motorists. It should be stressed that bicyclists have responsibilities to motorists as motorists have to cyclists. *To meet their responsibilities, I think cyclists presently require two sets of lights: 3. One set of lights, driven by batteries, for making a lot of light that permits the cyclist to see and, more important, to be seen by motorists. 4. The other set of lights, powered by a hub dynamo, will be always available as an emergency backup. If these dynohub-driven lights are LED they can be run constantly because their lifetime is for practical purposes infinite; they may be used as daylight running lights. Currently the best front dynohub light is the LED BUMM Fly IQ; it has no flashing facility. German and Dutch rear bicycle lights, if used outside their native milieu, need to be supplemented with a brighter light, preferably flashing. See point 7 below. 5. We can hope in the light of recent events that sometime in the the next decade LED dynamo front lights will be powerful enough for both functions, see and being seen. Unfortunately there seems to be no impetus for mainstream dynamo light makers to make a brighter rear light than currently available, and German and Dutch law, in their major markets, forbid flashing lights. Decent rear dynohub lights (or battery lights for that matter) with more output and flashing modes will thus have to come from specialists and will accordingly be relatively more expensive. 6. It is my opinion that any cyclist who is not one of a mass of cyclists in places where motorists routinely expect to see cyclists should have flashing lights front and rear to establish his presence. 7. The only rear lights that are good enough to be primary lights are made by Dinotte and Cateyes (TL-LD1100). German and Dutch lights are simply too limp, and in any event do not have a flashing facility. 8. I'm working on finding front flashing lights; my current idea is to add simple electronics to a BUMM Fly IQ to make it flash; the Reelights may suit others but won't fit my bike. Thoughts, expansions, alternative ideas welcome. Andre Jute If at first you don't succeed, try again. I use a Sigma Cuberider rear light http://www.sigmasport.com/en/produkt...ard_lights/cub... when I will be riding in the dark or dusk. Nice and slim and easy to move from bike to bike. If I will be riding in the dark, I use a Silva 480 headlight: http://tinyurl.com/yt8gwp I only ride in the dark off-road with occasional short transfers on the road from one forest area to another. If I rode on the road in the dark, I would use a bar mounted light for illumination. A headlight is nice because it can be moved around. When it is light and good visibility I don't use lights. I have reflective tape (in black!) on my bike in various places. Whether I use lights or not, I ride as though I were invisible at night. I ride in rural conditions, with the occasional suburban foray. Back when I lived in a big city, I never used lights, and took it upon myself to keep myslef out of harm's way. Any use of lights would have have given me false confidence from the potentially false assumption that I would be seen. Joseph So you ride like a cat walks on a hot tin roof. I do wonder though if a guy who has clearly thought about what he wants and needs should be in the least concerned about "false confidence." Anything that requires someone else to actively do something or other so that I don't get squashed is asking for trouble. We of course do this all day long in one manner or another, but vulnerablity one suffers on a bike makes me be extra wary. It doesn't mean I'm nervous, just wary. As I am wary of branches poking me in the eye. Joseph I find that one of the big advantages of sitting tall on my Dutch city bikes is that in daytime, and in close traffic at night, I can make eye-contact with the drivers of SUVs. Once they've looked you in the eye it is really very rare for them to do something stupid near you. |
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