Cyclist assaulted in Sheffield

in message , Simon Geller
') wrote:

Long-term subscribers to this list may recall the case in December 2005
where a cyclist was assaulted in Sheffield. The victim reported the
case
via the CTC forum when looking for advice as to how to proceed, and
it
got forwarded amongst the various cycling fora. A number of posters on
this list suggested that this incident did not ring true and must have
been made up.

The case has now come to court and was reported in the Sheffield Star
on April 27th. A scan is available at
http://www.pedalpushers.org.uk/resources/star.gif

So, having deliberately used first a motor vehicle and then a wheelbrace
as weapons, the assailant walked free? What do you have to do to get
jailed in this country these days?

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Besides, the respect for land and property goes hand in hand with
respect to other people.

Enclosure.

Eh?

Respect for land and property is independent of respect for other people.

See enclosure (or the Highland clearances) for examples of plenty of
respect for property and (all too often) little respect for people.

Hi,

This is a shocking case and it appears to me that
the sentence (and in fact the charges brought) are
out of line with the goal of the perpretator.

I was recently deliberately (it would appear)
struck by a car while crossing the road through
a previously stationary traffic queue that moved off.

The long and short of it is that I have been charged
with Criminal Damage since the car was damaged
as I escaped from underneath it. It does not appear
as if any consideration was given to charging
the driver.

That a deliberate attack with a motor vehicle is
not regarded as attempted murder is quite
beyond my understanding. It is not as if there is
not enough evidence that people struck by cars
are likely to die.

In the case in Sheffield the attack was begun
with the car and was then continued with other weapons.
How can there be any doubt that the intent was to
cause harm and that the harm likely to be caused
was death.

I understand that an attack with a gun is inevitably
attempted murder. That an attack with a car is
regarded not as an assault but as a driving fault
is beyond my understanding.

Independently of my recent difficulty I had alerady stopped
cycling on the road and stopped motor-scootering too
due to the level of harrassment meeted out by
the drivers of larger vehicles. In Central London
it amounts to pretty much never feeling safe.

Simon Brooke wrote:
in message , Simon Geller
') wrote:

Long-term subscribers to this list may recall the case in December 2005
where a cyclist was assaulted in Sheffield. The victim reported the
case
via the CTC forum when looking for advice as to how to proceed, and
it
got forwarded amongst the various cycling fora. A number of posters on
this list suggested that this incident did not ring true and must have
been made up.

The case has now come to court and was reported in the Sheffield Star
on April 27th. A scan is available at
http://www.pedalpushers.org.uk/resources/star.gif

So, having deliberately used first a motor vehicle and then a wheelbrace
as weapons, the assailant walked free? What do you have to do to get
jailed in this country these days?

Protect your own property and upset some cretin in a baseball cap.

Prison is assured.

Sam Salt

"Mark Thompson"
pleasegivegenerously@warmmail*_turn_up_the_heat_t o_reply*.com wrote in
message .99...
Besides, the respect for land and property goes hand in hand with
respect to other people.

Enclosure.

Eh?

Respect for land and property is independent of respect for other people.

See enclosure (or the Highland clearances) for examples of plenty of
respect for property and (all too often) little respect for people.

Thought that'd be what you're on about. Still, got naff all to do with the
validity of private property owned by 95% of the population IMO.

Protect your own property and upset some cretin in a baseball cap.

Prison is assured.

Almost four years in prison for shooting to death a 16 year old with an
illegally held pump action shotgun when they were already running away from
you ain't bad going thobut. Tip: tell 'em you didn't mean to shoot them.

Mark Thompson wrote:

All I can think of is that he made it clear he was terribly middle class
and wouldn't do it again.

And the other youths who joined in weren't known to him.

In other news, Heathrow have asked a local pig farmer to keep his flocks
out of the approach path.

R.

Thought that'd be what you're on about. Still, got naff all to do with
the validity of private property owned by 95% of the population IMO.

Tacking 'IMO' on the end doesn't make your opinions any less incorrect ;-)

in message , Mark
Thompson
('pleasegivegenerously@warmmail*_turn_up_the_heat_ to_reply*.com') wrote:

Besides, the respect for land and property goes hand in hand with
respect to other people.

Enclosure.

Abso-flipping-lutely. Whether done with a figleaf of legitimacy as in
England, or without as here, to them that hath shall it be given, sayeth
the Lord. So that's all right then. All tug your forelocks and respect
PROPERTY.

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

;; When all else fails, read the distractions.

in message , Doki
') wrote:

"Mark Thompson"
pleasegivegenerously@warmmail*_turn_up_the_heat_t o_reply*.com wrote
in message .99...
Besides, the respect for land and property goes hand in hand with
respect to other people.

Enclosure.

Eh?

Respect for land and property is independent of respect for other
people.

See enclosure (or the Highland clearances) for examples of plenty of
respect for property and (all too often) little respect for people.

Thought that'd be what you're on about. Still, got naff all to do with
the validity of private property owned by 95% of the population IMO.

300 years ago, 90+% of all the land in Britain was common. Now, probably
less than 5% is. 85% of the common land has been more or less stolen; in
some places absolutely stolen, in others stolen with the aid of acts of
a parliament in which the common people were wholly unrepresented. And
the successors of the thieves now not only still have the land, not only
pay no taxes on the land, they are paid socking big subsidies out of
your taxes and mine to sit on their fat fannies and buy a new Mercedes
every year.

The French would have a a revolution about this; we just grumble.

--
(Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

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