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On Mar 21, 3:59*am, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:46:33 -0700 (PDT), Jay Beattie wrote: *If you live in a city where crime is the norm, then people stop reporting. * Not saying that is the case with NY, but I suspect a person in small town USA would be more likely to report a minor property crime -- a car break in, for example -- than someone in a high crime city. This is circular reasoning. If someone lives in a small town where crime is the norm, are they going to report it? *Nothing is being done - what's the use. O.K, small safe town USA. Really, my point is that where law enforcement is stretched thin or considered ineffective or even corrosive, then people quit reporting crimes. Where populations are exposed to constant minor crimes, they quit reporting minor crimes. Low reported crime does not necessarily mean low crime. I think you have to look carefully at how a particular populations views crime and crime reporting.-- Jay Beattie. |
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On Mar 21, 6:56*am, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 20:25:03 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Mar 20, 5:32*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:12:03 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Mar 20, 5:04*pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:33:44 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: But I believe that in general, the larger the metro area, the larger such neighborhoods are likely to be, and the worse conditions might be within them. Any evidence of this other than pop culture and stereotyping? Mostly, just my anecdotal experience. *Philly and Cleveland and Los Angeles come to mind. *I'm sure there are exceptions, which is why I said "in general." I wonder if you have contrary evidence? Particularly in relation to NYC? I've looked up stats for violent crimes in cities in the US in general, and NYC is one of the biggest cities and had lower violent crime rates per person than many smaller cities. But I don't really know, which is way I don't go around talking about places I don't know about as dangerous, or proposing theories like yours w/o evidence. John, I've learned a lot in my life. *Sometimes I don't remember the sources of what I've learned. *Sometimes I'm not positive about what I've learned, but I state my impressions anyway, prefacing them with something like "I believe." *I think most people do that. Look athttp://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_16.html Good evidence. Thanks. So I guess you can diss specific big cities now too. No, I stated my general impression of large vs. small cities, then I found data to prove my impression was correct. That's all I needed to do. - Frank Krygowski |
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Jay Beattie wrote:
If you live in a city where crime is the norm, then people stop reporting. Not saying that is the case with NY, but I suspect a person in small town USA would be more likely to report a minor property crime -- a car break in, for example -- than someone in a high crime city. John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: This is circular reasoning. If someone lives in a small town where crime is the norm, are they going to report it? Nothing is being done - what's the use. Jay Beattie wrote: O.K, small safe town USA. Really, my point is that where law enforcement is stretched thin or considered ineffective or even corrosive, then people quit reporting crimes. Where populations are exposed to constant minor crimes, they quit reporting minor crimes. Low reported crime does not necessarily mean low crime. I think you have to look carefully at how a particular populations views crime and crime reporting.-- Jay Beattie. When the process for no-bloodshed crimes is a 'telephone self report' with tedious multi-level menu and then zero follow-up, why bother? But that neglect of minor crime reports can just drive some people to distraction. Or mayhem: http://www.nytimes.com/1988/09/29/us...in-prison.html When he reported a theft, the cops laughed at him. 'Course that was way back when cops actually took crime reports. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Andrew Muzi wrote:
Jay Beattie wrote: If you live in a city where crime is the norm, then people stop reporting. Not saying that is the case with NY, but I suspect a person in small town USA would be more likely to report a minor property crime -- a car break in, for example -- than someone in a high crime city. John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: This is circular reasoning. If someone lives in a small town where crime is the norm, are they going to report it? Nothing is being done - what's the use. Jay Beattie wrote: O.K, small safe town USA. Really, my point is that where law enforcement is stretched thin or considered ineffective or even corrosive, then people quit reporting crimes. Where populations are exposed to constant minor crimes, they quit reporting minor crimes. Low reported crime does not necessarily mean low crime. I think you have to look carefully at how a particular populations views crime and crime reporting.-- Jay Beattie. When the process for no-bloodshed crimes is a 'telephone self report' with tedious multi-level menu and then zero follow-up, why bother? [...] Well, I do know of one case of a stolen bicycle in the City of Madison being recovered this way. But Andrew is right, the police will not actively pursue the crime of a single stolen bicycle, but merely check serial numbers if they come across it in the process of other investigations. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 LOCAL CACTUS EATS CYCLIST - datakoll |
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