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At least 5 dead , 9 injured after pickup truck hits bicyclists from BEHIND
"KALAMAZOO COUNTY, Mich. (NEWSCHANNEL 3) - Newschannel 3 has learned that at least five people have been killed on North Westnedge, near Markin Glen Park, just north of Kalamazoo, after a group of bicyclists were struck from behind by a blue Chevy pickup truck. It happened around 6:30 p.m. Tuesday evening. All of those killed were bicyclists riding down the road when a pickup truck came up behind them, and struck the group." More here http://wwmt.com/news/local/multiple-...illed-in-crash Condolences to the victims' families and friends. Cheers |
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At least 5 dead , 9 injured after pickup truck hits bicyclistsfrom BEHIND
On 08/06/16 06:56, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
"KALAMAZOO COUNTY, Mich. (NEWSCHANNEL 3) - Newschannel 3 has learned that at least five people have been killed on North Westnedge, near Markin Glen Park, just north of Kalamazoo, after a group of bicyclists were struck from behind by a blue Chevy pickup truck. It happened around 6:30 p.m. Tuesday evening. All of those killed were bicyclists riding down the road when a pickup truck came up behind them, and struck the group." More here http://wwmt.com/news/local/multiple-...illed-in-crash Condolences to the victims' families and friends. That's going to wind up as a murder charge in my opinion. Reports indicate erratic driving before the incident. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36476440 |
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At least 5 dead , 9 injured after pickup truck hits bicyclistsfrom BEHIND
On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 12:56:54 AM UTC-4, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
"KALAMAZOO COUNTY, Mich. (NEWSCHANNEL 3) - Newschannel 3 has learned that at least five people have been killed on North Westnedge, near Markin Glen Park, just north of Kalamazoo, after a group of bicyclists were struck from behind by a blue Chevy pickup truck. It happened around 6:30 p.m. Tuesday evening. All of those killed were bicyclists riding down the road when a pickup truck came up behind them, and struck the group." More here http://wwmt.com/news/local/multiple-...illed-in-crash Condolences to the victims' families and friends. Cheers report read here was cyclists were hit from ahead after the truck 'almost ran over muh foot' |
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At least 5 dead , 9 injured after pickup truck hits bicyclistsfrom BEHIND
On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 12:56:54 AM UTC-4, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
"KALAMAZOO COUNTY, Mich. (NEWSCHANNEL 3) - Newschannel 3 has learned that at least five people have been killed on North Westnedge, near Markin Glen Park, just north of Kalamazoo, after a group of bicyclists were struck from behind by a blue Chevy pickup truck. It happened around 6:30 p.m. Tuesday evening. All of those killed were bicyclists riding down the road when a pickup truck came up behind them, and struck the group." More here http://wwmt.com/news/local/multiple-...illed-in-crash Condolences to the victims' families and friends. http://woodtv.com/2016/06/09/charges...cyclist-crash/ "BATTLE CREEK, Mich. (WOOD) — A Battle Creek man accused of hitting nine bicyclists faces five counts of second-degree murder. Kalamazoo County Prosecutor Jeff Getting filed the charges against Charles Pickett Jr. Thursday." This is good. I hope they stick and the guy goes away for a long time. Cheers |
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At least 5 dead , 9 injured after pickup truck hits bicyclistsfrom BEHIND
On 2016-06-07 21:56, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
"KALAMAZOO COUNTY, Mich. (NEWSCHANNEL 3) - Newschannel 3 has learned that at least five people have been killed on North Westnedge, near Markin Glen Park, just north of Kalamazoo, after a group of bicyclists were struck from behind by a blue Chevy pickup truck. It happened around 6:30 p.m. Tuesday evening. All of those killed were bicyclists riding down the road when a pickup truck came up behind them, and struck the group." More here http://wwmt.com/news/local/multiple-...illed-in-crash Condolences to the victims' families and friends. Very sad. One question is whether we will ever hear the results of the investigation. Such as lane positions, lighting of the riders, visibility, level of intoxication of the driver, speed of the truck, and so on. Without such follow-up it's hard to learn from these case. I have even seen people flat-out deny that it was a non-intersection lane case in a similar deadly crash here in Sacramento. No follow-up info as usual, zero, but it all points to a cyclist having been in the left lane (two per direction) preparing to turn off somewhere when a drunk driver in a truck smashed into her and killed her. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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At least 5 dead , 9 injured after pickup truck hits bicyclistsfrom BEHIND
On 10/06/2016 10:28 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-06-07 21:56, Sir Ridesalot wrote: "KALAMAZOO COUNTY, Mich. (NEWSCHANNEL 3) - Newschannel 3 has learned that at least five people have been killed on North Westnedge, near Markin Glen Park, just north of Kalamazoo, after a group of bicyclists were struck from behind by a blue Chevy pickup truck. It happened around 6:30 p.m. Tuesday evening. All of those killed were bicyclists riding down the road when a pickup truck came up behind them, and struck the group." More here http://wwmt.com/news/local/multiple-...illed-in-crash Condolences to the victims' families and friends. Very sad. One question is whether we will ever hear the results of the investigation. Such as lane positions, lighting of the riders, visibility, level of intoxication of the driver, speed of the truck, and so on. Without such follow-up it's hard to learn from these case. I have even seen people flat-out deny that it was a non-intersection lane case in a similar deadly crash here in Sacramento. No follow-up info as usual, zero, but it all points to a cyclist having been in the left lane (two per direction) preparing to turn off somewhere when a drunk driver in a truck smashed into her and killed her. Read the report. It was not an intersection and they were apparently on the shoulder. This has nothing to do with lane position or bike lanes or cycling classes or anything to do with the cyclists. This has to do with some asshole murdering 5 people and injuring several more who were just riding their bikes. The only question to me is whether it was intentional (1st degree murder) or not (second degree murder), otherwise the rest is irrelevant. What is there to learn here? Maybe if it was drunk driving and the guy had priors or maybe if the guy was psychotic and off his meds. But from the riders' points of view what is there to learn? |
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At least 5 dead , 9 injured after pickup truck hits bicyclistsfrom BEHIND
On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 10:54:03 AM UTC-4, Duane wrote:
On 10/06/2016 10:28 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2016-06-07 21:56, Sir Ridesalot wrote: "KALAMAZOO COUNTY, Mich. (NEWSCHANNEL 3) - Newschannel 3 has learned that at least five people have been killed on North Westnedge, near Markin Glen Park, just north of Kalamazoo, after a group of bicyclists were struck from behind by a blue Chevy pickup truck. It happened around 6:30 p.m. Tuesday evening. All of those killed were bicyclists riding down the road when a pickup truck came up behind them, and struck the group." More here http://wwmt.com/news/local/multiple-...illed-in-crash Condolences to the victims' families and friends. Very sad. One question is whether we will ever hear the results of the investigation. Such as lane positions, lighting of the riders, visibility, level of intoxication of the driver, speed of the truck, and so on. Without such follow-up it's hard to learn from these case. I have even seen people flat-out deny that it was a non-intersection lane case in a similar deadly crash here in Sacramento. No follow-up info as usual, zero, but it all points to a cyclist having been in the left lane (two per direction) preparing to turn off somewhere when a drunk driver in a truck smashed into her and killed her. Read the report. It was not an intersection and they were apparently on the shoulder. This has nothing to do with lane position or bike lanes or cycling classes or anything to do with the cyclists. This has to do with some asshole murdering 5 people and injuring several more who were just riding their bikes. The only question to me is whether it was intentional (1st degree murder) or not (second degree murder), otherwise the rest is irrelevant. What is there to learn here? Maybe if it was drunk driving and the guy had priors or maybe if the guy was psychotic and off his meds. But from the riders' points of view what is there to learn? Not to mention that this blue truck and driver had been reported a number of times that day for very erratic driving prior to it crashung into those 9 bicyclists. From variious reports i read it wouldn't have mattered where those bicyclist were riding since the truck was all over the road. One guy nearlycoming out of a store or building nearly got hit just seconds before the bicyclists got hit. Cheers |
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At least 5 dead , 9 injured after pickup truck hits bicyclistsfrom BEHIND
On 2016-06-10 07:54, Duane wrote:
On 10/06/2016 10:28 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2016-06-07 21:56, Sir Ridesalot wrote: "KALAMAZOO COUNTY, Mich. (NEWSCHANNEL 3) - Newschannel 3 has learned that at least five people have been killed on North Westnedge, near Markin Glen Park, just north of Kalamazoo, after a group of bicyclists were struck from behind by a blue Chevy pickup truck. It happened around 6:30 p.m. Tuesday evening. All of those killed were bicyclists riding down the road when a pickup truck came up behind them, and struck the group." More here http://wwmt.com/news/local/multiple-...illed-in-crash Condolences to the victims' families and friends. Very sad. One question is whether we will ever hear the results of the investigation. Such as lane positions, lighting of the riders, visibility, level of intoxication of the driver, speed of the truck, and so on. Without such follow-up it's hard to learn from these case. I have even seen people flat-out deny that it was a non-intersection lane case in a similar deadly crash here in Sacramento. No follow-up info as usual, zero, but it all points to a cyclist having been in the left lane (two per direction) preparing to turn off somewhere when a drunk driver in a truck smashed into her and killed her. Read the report. It was not an intersection and they were apparently on the shoulder. Please quote where it said that. This has nothing to do with lane position or bike lanes or cycling classes or anything to do with the cyclists. This has to do with some asshole murdering 5 people and injuring several more who were just riding their bikes. The only question to me is whether it was intentional (1st degree murder) or not (second degree murder), otherwise the rest is irrelevant. It is not. This driver was obvious intoxicated or otherwise out of his mind but most of the time their reaction is simply so delayed that when they see something in front of them it's too late. Not necessarily so if the truck still fits through. Possibly he had veered off the road in which case staying on the shoulder would not have helped at all. My point is: We do not know that and there is typically no follow-up publication. What is there to learn here? Maybe if it was drunk driving and the guy had priors or maybe if the guy was psychotic and off his meds. But from the riders' points of view what is there to learn? A lot. Just one example: I found that the number of times I got into critical situations because of inattentive (or possibly soused) drivers has greatly dropped off since I have bright lighting. One of the reasons is simple. If a driver, especially a drunk one, sees red flashing lights in the distance one of the first reactions will likely be "Oh no, cops!" which in many cases will make them slow down. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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At least 5 dead , 9 injured after pickup truck hits bicyclistsfrom BEHIND
On 10/06/2016 12:43 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-06-10 07:54, Duane wrote: On 10/06/2016 10:28 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2016-06-07 21:56, Sir Ridesalot wrote: "KALAMAZOO COUNTY, Mich. (NEWSCHANNEL 3) - Newschannel 3 has learned that at least five people have been killed on North Westnedge, near Markin Glen Park, just north of Kalamazoo, after a group of bicyclists were struck from behind by a blue Chevy pickup truck. It happened around 6:30 p.m. Tuesday evening. All of those killed were bicyclists riding down the road when a pickup truck came up behind them, and struck the group." More here http://wwmt.com/news/local/multiple-...illed-in-crash Condolences to the victims' families and friends. Very sad. One question is whether we will ever hear the results of the investigation. Such as lane positions, lighting of the riders, visibility, level of intoxication of the driver, speed of the truck, and so on. Without such follow-up it's hard to learn from these case. I have even seen people flat-out deny that it was a non-intersection lane case in a similar deadly crash here in Sacramento. No follow-up info as usual, zero, but it all points to a cyclist having been in the left lane (two per direction) preparing to turn off somewhere when a drunk driver in a truck smashed into her and killed her. Read the report. It was not an intersection and they were apparently on the shoulder. Please quote where it said that. It was stated in the original report posted here. This has nothing to do with lane position or bike lanes or cycling classes or anything to do with the cyclists. This has to do with some asshole murdering 5 people and injuring several more who were just riding their bikes. The only question to me is whether it was intentional (1st degree murder) or not (second degree murder), otherwise the rest is irrelevant. It is not. This driver was obvious intoxicated or otherwise out of his mind but most of the time their reaction is simply so delayed that when they see something in front of them it's too late. Not necessarily so if the truck still fits through. Possibly he had veered off the road in which case staying on the shoulder would not have helped at all. My point is: We do not know that and there is typically no follow-up publication. The asshole killed 5 people and injured 9. The rest is irrelevant. Whether they were on the road or on the shoulder is irrelevant. The asshole hit them from behind. What is there to learn here? Maybe if it was drunk driving and the guy had priors or maybe if the guy was psychotic and off his meds. But from the riders' points of view what is there to learn? A lot. Just one example: I found that the number of times I got into critical situations because of inattentive (or possibly soused) drivers has greatly dropped off since I have bright lighting. One of the reasons is simple. If a driver, especially a drunk one, sees red flashing lights in the distance one of the first reactions will likely be "Oh no, cops!" which in many cases will make them slow down. Give me a ****ing break. At least 14 people in front of him on bikes, and he would have seen them if only they had a light? |
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At least 5 dead , 9 injured after pickup truck hits bicyclistsfrom BEHIND
On 6/10/2016 12:43 PM, Joerg wrote:
I found that the number of times I got into critical situations because of inattentive (or possibly soused) drivers has greatly dropped off since I have bright lighting. One of the reasons is simple. If a driver, especially a drunk one, sees red flashing lights in the distance one of the first reactions will likely be "Oh no, cops!" which in many cases will make them slow down. Sounds like you must have gotten into many "critical situations" before. Otherwise you couldn't know they had dropped off greatly. To me, that's very odd. I can't remember the last time I got in a "critical situation" on my bike. Perhaps that has something to do with riding style? -- - Frank Krygowski |
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