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Beaded tires higher cost than folding, why?
My last but one Gatorskin went, side wall damage, the usual. The side
wall on the rear tire looks iffy already and if that blows I'd have no more spare for it. So it's time to refill the basement stack. Unfortunately the CST Correre only comes in 700c*23mm. This leaves the Gatorskin Hardshell with supposedly better side walls but ... the 700c*25 beaded is $48, ouch, too much. To my surprise the foldable is "only" $39. Why is that? I don't want the normal Gatorskins anymore because the side walls are too flimsy. If anyone knows about another new tire that is very puncture resistant and low cost that would be nice. Weight does not matter and heavier is usually better. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:09:24 PM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
My last but one Gatorskin went, side wall damage, the usual. The side wall on the rear tire looks iffy already and if that blows I'd have no more spare for it. So it's time to refill the basement stack. Unfortunately the CST Correre only comes in 700c*23mm. This leaves the Gatorskin Hardshell with supposedly better side walls but ... the 700c*25 beaded is $48, ouch, too much. To my surprise the foldable is "only" $39. Why is that? I don't want the normal Gatorskins anymore because the side walls are too flimsy. If anyone knows about another new tire that is very puncture resistant and low cost that would be nice. Weight does not matter and heavier is usually better. The cost difference is invariably sales driven only. The folding tires should always cost a little more than the steel beads but it's a toss-up. There are several tires out with reinforced treads but I haven't found any that I like and are cheap. Specialized Armadilloes cost an arm and a leg and they work better than Gatorskins in my experience. There is a new tire on the market that sounds just up your alley - MICHELIN PRO4 ENDURANCE TIRE - CLINCHER - you can get them in 23, 25 and 28 mm from Competitive Cyclist for only $25. All of the reviews on them are good but the tire is still new yet. |
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Beaded tires higher cost than folding, why?
a thin sidewall gives response.
your choice. more finesse longer tire life or more $$$ or tires handle like wood. |
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On 2017-01-02 16:07, DATAKOLL MARINE RESEARCH wrote:
a thin sidewall gives response. your choice. My choice is always more sturdiness, not comfort or being two seconds faster on my 43 mile valley ride. more finesse longer tire life Thin side walls result in premature failure and thus paltry a life span. Worst case a nasty crash if the front one goes KABLAM. or more $$$ or tires handle like wood. You should see my MTB. Very sturdy tires, tire liners with old tubes shoved over them, plus tubes with 4mm wall thickness. Flats: None. On the road bike I use tubes with 3mm wall thickness but that doesn't help when a chunk of side wall decides to go AWOL. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Beaded tires higher cost than folding, why?
On Mon, 02 Jan 2017 15:09:21 -0800, Joerg
wrote: My last but one Gatorskin went, side wall damage, the usual. The side wall on the rear tire looks iffy already and if that blows I'd have no more spare for it. So it's time to refill the basement stack. Unfortunately the CST Correre only comes in 700c*23mm. This leaves the Gatorskin Hardshell with supposedly better side walls but ... the 700c*25 beaded is $48, ouch, too much. To my surprise the foldable is "only" $39. Why is that? I don't want the normal Gatorskins anymore because the side walls are too flimsy. If anyone knows about another new tire that is very puncture resistant and low cost that would be nice. Weight does not matter and heavier is usually better. Question: How much tire pressure are you running? I used gatorskins for a while and never had any sidewall problems. As an aside, I had just as many punctures with gatorskins as I've had with normal tires :-) But granted, we don't have any of those thorns that you talk about. -- cheers, John B. |
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Beaded tires higher cost than folding, why?
On 1/2/2017 7:33 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2017 15:09:21 -0800, Joerg wrote: My last but one Gatorskin went, side wall damage, the usual. The side wall on the rear tire looks iffy already and if that blows I'd have no more spare for it. So it's time to refill the basement stack. Unfortunately the CST Correre only comes in 700c*23mm. This leaves the Gatorskin Hardshell with supposedly better side walls but ... the 700c*25 beaded is $48, ouch, too much. To my surprise the foldable is "only" $39. Why is that? I don't want the normal Gatorskins anymore because the side walls are too flimsy. If anyone knows about another new tire that is very puncture resistant and low cost that would be nice. Weight does not matter and heavier is usually better. Question: How much tire pressure are you running? I used gatorskins for a while and never had any sidewall problems. As an aside, I had just as many punctures with gatorskins as I've had with normal tires :-) But granted, we don't have any of those thorns that you talk about. I started using tire liners and I have been very pleased with them. Only had one flat because I ran over a board with a long tack. You are able to run the tire down much further than you could without the liners making the cheaper tires work just as well. I haven't noticed a performance loss either! -- Ride fast, ride hard, ride for health and enjoyment... JQ Dancing on the edge |
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On 2017-01-02 16:33, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 02 Jan 2017 15:09:21 -0800, Joerg wrote: My last but one Gatorskin went, side wall damage, the usual. The side wall on the rear tire looks iffy already and if that blows I'd have no more spare for it. So it's time to refill the basement stack. Unfortunately the CST Correre only comes in 700c*23mm. This leaves the Gatorskin Hardshell with supposedly better side walls but ... the 700c*25 beaded is $48, ouch, too much. To my surprise the foldable is "only" $39. Why is that? I don't want the normal Gatorskins anymore because the side walls are too flimsy. If anyone knows about another new tire that is very puncture resistant and low cost that would be nice. Weight does not matter and heavier is usually better. Question: How much tire pressure are you running? I used gatorskins for a while and never had any sidewall problems. 110psi. What usually happens is that the thin strands you can see on the side become torn while striking a rock or whatever, or being hit by a rock. Or a goat's head thorn flips into the wall. Eventually a bulge will develop. I usually catch it visually or it goes PSHOOOF. As an aside, I had just as many punctures with gatorskins as I've had with normal tires :-) But granted, we don't have any of those thorns that you talk about. Goat's head thorns are a pain. They are not native to Northern California and weren't a problem until a few years ago when the plant seeds or whatever wafted in from the south. The only "real" puncture I had with Gatorskins in thousands of miles was when I saw the remnants of a wire brush too late. It must have fallen from a truck and disintegrated. Maybe I should give the CST Conquistare a shot. Unfortunately no wire bead but they can be found for around $20 or less. Just imagine a road bike with different color tires. Pretty soon it'll look like a hobo vehicle :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2017-01-02 16:45, JQ wrote:
On 1/2/2017 7:33 PM, John B. wrote: On Mon, 02 Jan 2017 15:09:21 -0800, wrote: My last but one Gatorskin went, side wall damage, the usual. The side wall on the rear tire looks iffy already and if that blows I'd have no more spare for it. So it's time to refill the basement stack. Unfortunately the CST Correre only comes in 700c*23mm. This leaves the Gatorskin Hardshell with supposedly better side walls but ... the 700c*25 beaded is $48, ouch, too much. To my surprise the foldable is "only" $39. Why is that? I don't want the normal Gatorskins anymore because the side walls are too flimsy. If anyone knows about another new tire that is very puncture resistant and low cost that would be nice. Weight does not matter and heavier is usually better. Question: How much tire pressure are you running? I used gatorskins for a while and never had any sidewall problems. As an aside, I had just as many punctures with gatorskins as I've had with normal tires :-) But granted, we don't have any of those thorns that you talk about. I started using tire liners and I have been very pleased with them. Only had one flat because I ran over a board with a long tack. You are able to run the tire down much further than you could without the liners making the cheaper tires work just as well. I haven't noticed a performance loss either! I am also a strong believer in tire liners (plus thick tubes). However, they do not make flimsy side walls any better. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 1/2/2017 7:21 PM, Joerg wrote:
I'd like 28mm but it won't fit in my frame. 23mm is too iffy because of numerous required offroad stints and the occasional heavy load. I'm still amazed by the number of bikes that can't accept a 28mm tire. I see no advantage to building that limitation into a bike. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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