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A pack of rabid Mandatory Helmet Law zealots in Australia (Raphael
Grzebieta, Jake Olivier (former USian), and some other clown who's name eludes me), recently published a paper that looks at the ratio of cycling fatalities per head of population in comparison with pedestrian fatalities per head of population, before and after MHL-Day (1990-91). They claim some 36% decline in cycling fatalities that are a direct result of the MHL protecting cyclists from death. They fail to acknowledge *any* reduction in participation due to the MHL putting people off riding a bike, and IIRC they suggest there is no good evidence that MHL puts people off riding a bike. "In the absence of robust evidence showing a decline in cycling exposure following helmet legislation or other confounding factors, the reduction in Australian bicycle-related fatality appears to be primarily due to increased helmet use and not other factors." https://academic.oup.com/ije/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/ije/dyz003/5307412?redirectedFrom=fulltext Just yesterday I was made aware of a recent study from a large USian hospital, who examined some 1454 cycling ER cases. 14% wore a helmet. 35% of the helmeted cyclists suffered serious head injuries. 34% of non-helmeted cyclists suffered serious head injures. There was no difference in mortality (1% for both groups). https://chembiopublishers.com/IJARO/IJARO180008.pdf?platform=hootsuite How can both studies be correct? -- JS |
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On 2/14/2019 7:39 PM, James wrote:
A pack of rabid Mandatory Helmet Law zealots in Australia (Raphael Grzebieta, Jake Olivier (former USian), and some other clown who's name eludes me), recently published a paper that looks at the ratio of cycling fatalities per head of population in comparison with pedestrian fatalities per head of population, before and after MHL-Day (1990-91). They claim some 36% decline in cycling fatalities that are a direct result of the MHL protecting cyclists from death. They fail to acknowledge *any* reduction in participation due to the MHL putting people off riding a bike, and IIRC they suggest there is no good evidence that MHL puts people off riding a bike. "In the absence of robust evidence showing a decline in cycling exposure following helmet legislation or other confounding factors, the reduction in Australian bicycle-related fatality appears to be primarily due to increased helmet use and not other factors." https://academic.oup.com/ije/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/ije/dyz003/5307412?redirectedFrom=fulltext Just yesterday I was made aware of a recent study from a large USian hospital, who examined some 1454 cycling ER cases.Â* 14% wore a helmet. 35% of the helmeted cyclists suffered serious head injuries.Â* 34% of non-helmeted cyclists suffered serious head injures.Â* There was no difference in mortality (1% for both groups). https://chembiopublishers.com/IJARO/IJARO180008.pdf?platform=hootsuite How can both studies be correct? They can't both be correct. And I have been, and remain, astonished at Olivier's skill at either extreme self deception or, more likely, blatant lying. Not only is there plenty of robust evidence of large cycling drops in Australia and New Zealand due to the MHLs, there is no logical way there could _not_ be significant drops. Obviously, many people will not ride if they are forced to wear the plastic hat. They say so repeatedly. How can there be an equal number of people who say "I never wanted to ride a bicycle, but now that they've made it more expensive and less convenient, I want to take it up"?? To me, the most depressing aspects are these: First, so many bicyclists are so uneducated and so innumerate that they think helmets are both absolutely necessary and tremendously effective; and second, so many bicyclists are now so intolerant that they disparage and even mock those who do not buy into the helmet propaganda. For more on that, here's an article by Peter Flax, former editor-in-chief of _Bicycling_ magazine. https://cyclingtips.com/2018/11/comm...a-bike-helmet/ Note what he says about the "firestorm of shouty criticism" the staff endured any time they printed a photo of a cyclist riding without a helmet. Or about the hassling, trolling and shouting he endures for riding just as everyone rode until about 1975. The belief in magic hats is intensely irrational. The militancy of the true believers is obnoxious. Yes, it's not the most important issue in the world, but it's depressing. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 10:11:14 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 2/14/2019 7:39 PM, James wrote: A pack of rabid Mandatory Helmet Law zealots in Australia (Raphael Grzebieta, Jake Olivier (former USian), and some other clown who's name eludes me), recently published a paper that looks at the ratio of cycling fatalities per head of population in comparison with pedestrian fatalities per head of population, before and after MHL-Day (1990-91). They claim some 36% decline in cycling fatalities that are a direct result of the MHL protecting cyclists from death. They fail to acknowledge *any* reduction in participation due to the MHL putting people off riding a bike, and IIRC they suggest there is no good evidence that MHL puts people off riding a bike. "In the absence of robust evidence showing a decline in cycling exposure following helmet legislation or other confounding factors, the reduction in Australian bicycle-related fatality appears to be primarily due to increased helmet use and not other factors." https://academic.oup.com/ije/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/ije/dyz003/5307412?redirectedFrom=fulltext Just yesterday I was made aware of a recent study from a large USian hospital, who examined some 1454 cycling ER cases.Â* 14% wore a helmet. 35% of the helmeted cyclists suffered serious head injuries.Â* 34% of non-helmeted cyclists suffered serious head injures.Â* There was no difference in mortality (1% for both groups). https://chembiopublishers.com/IJARO/IJARO180008.pdf?platform=hootsuite How can both studies be correct? They can't both be correct. And I have been, and remain, astonished at Olivier's skill at either extreme self deception or, more likely, blatant lying. Not only is there plenty of robust evidence of large cycling drops in Australia and New Zealand due to the MHLs, there is no logical way there could _not_ be significant drops. Obviously, many people will not ride if they are forced to wear the plastic hat. They say so repeatedly. How can there be an equal number of people who say "I never wanted to ride a bicycle, but now that they've made it more expensive and less convenient, I want to take it up"?? To me, the most depressing aspects are these: First, so many bicyclists are so uneducated and so innumerate that they think helmets are both absolutely necessary and tremendously effective; and second, so many bicyclists are now so intolerant that they disparage and even mock those who do not buy into the helmet propaganda. For more on that, here's an article by Peter Flax, former editor-in-chief of _Bicycling_ magazine. https://cyclingtips.com/2018/11/comm...a-bike-helmet/ Note what he says about the "firestorm of shouty criticism" the staff endured any time they printed a photo of a cyclist riding without a helmet. Or about the hassling, trolling and shouting he endures for riding just as everyone rode until about 1975. The belief in magic hats is intensely irrational. The militancy of the true believers is obnoxious. Yes, it's not the most important issue in the world, but it's depressing. -- - Frank Krygowski I've been involved in bike-car accidents with and without helmets. Have a scar on my forehead to remind me everyday of the one without a helmet. Got banged up, broken up in both accidents. Emergency room, ambulance for both. Unconscious for the one without a helmet. So I have enough personal experience to prove wearing a helmet helps a lot. |
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On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 9:33:44 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 10:11:14 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 2/14/2019 7:39 PM, James wrote: A pack of rabid Mandatory Helmet Law zealots in Australia (Raphael Grzebieta, Jake Olivier (former USian), and some other clown who's name eludes me), recently published a paper that looks at the ratio of cycling fatalities per head of population in comparison with pedestrian fatalities per head of population, before and after MHL-Day (1990-91).. They claim some 36% decline in cycling fatalities that are a direct result of the MHL protecting cyclists from death. They fail to acknowledge *any* reduction in participation due to the MHL putting people off riding a bike, and IIRC they suggest there is no good evidence that MHL puts people off riding a bike. "In the absence of robust evidence showing a decline in cycling exposure following helmet legislation or other confounding factors, the reduction in Australian bicycle-related fatality appears to be primarily due to increased helmet use and not other factors." https://academic.oup.com/ije/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/ije/dyz003/5307412?redirectedFrom=fulltext Just yesterday I was made aware of a recent study from a large USian hospital, who examined some 1454 cycling ER cases.Â* 14% wore a helmet. 35% of the helmeted cyclists suffered serious head injuries.Â* 34% of non-helmeted cyclists suffered serious head injures.Â* There was no difference in mortality (1% for both groups). https://chembiopublishers.com/IJARO/IJARO180008.pdf?platform=hootsuite How can both studies be correct? They can't both be correct. And I have been, and remain, astonished at Olivier's skill at either extreme self deception or, more likely, blatant lying. Not only is there plenty of robust evidence of large cycling drops in Australia and New Zealand due to the MHLs, there is no logical way there could _not_ be significant drops. Obviously, many people will not ride if they are forced to wear the plastic hat. They say so repeatedly. How can there be an equal number of people who say "I never wanted to ride a bicycle, but now that they've made it more expensive and less convenient, I want to take it up"?? To me, the most depressing aspects are these: First, so many bicyclists are so uneducated and so innumerate that they think helmets are both absolutely necessary and tremendously effective; and second, so many bicyclists are now so intolerant that they disparage and even mock those who do not buy into the helmet propaganda. For more on that, here's an article by Peter Flax, former editor-in-chief of _Bicycling_ magazine. https://cyclingtips.com/2018/11/comm...a-bike-helmet/ Note what he says about the "firestorm of shouty criticism" the staff endured any time they printed a photo of a cyclist riding without a helmet. Or about the hassling, trolling and shouting he endures for riding just as everyone rode until about 1975. The belief in magic hats is intensely irrational. The militancy of the true believers is obnoxious. Yes, it's not the most important issue in the world, but it's depressing. -- - Frank Krygowski I've been involved in bike-car accidents with and without helmets. Have a scar on my forehead to remind me everyday of the one without a helmet. Got banged up, broken up in both accidents. Emergency room, ambulance for both. Unconscious for the one without a helmet. So I have enough personal experience to prove wearing a helmet helps a lot. This is always false premise. I was wearing a helmet and fell less than 3 feet onto my forehead which was protected by my helmet and was knocked unconscious for over 5 minutes. Since I was walking and talking when I arrived at the hospital they simply sent me out the door. What I'm saying is that depending on how you fell, your experiences might have been totally opposite. I wear a helmet because of the minor injuries it reduces and not for the serious injuries it would have no effect on. |
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On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 09:33:42 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 10:11:14 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 2/14/2019 7:39 PM, James wrote: A pack of rabid Mandatory Helmet Law zealots in Australia (Raphael Grzebieta, Jake Olivier (former USian), and some other clown who's name eludes me), recently published a paper that looks at the ratio of cycling fatalities per head of population in comparison with pedestrian fatalities per head of population, before and after MHL-Day (1990-91). They claim some 36% decline in cycling fatalities that are a direct result of the MHL protecting cyclists from death. They fail to acknowledge *any* reduction in participation due to the MHL putting people off riding a bike, and IIRC they suggest there is no good evidence that MHL puts people off riding a bike. "In the absence of robust evidence showing a decline in cycling exposure following helmet legislation or other confounding factors, the reduction in Australian bicycle-related fatality appears to be primarily due to increased helmet use and not other factors." https://academic.oup.com/ije/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/ije/dyz003/5307412?redirectedFrom=fulltext Just yesterday I was made aware of a recent study from a large USian hospital, who examined some 1454 cycling ER cases.* 14% wore a helmet. 35% of the helmeted cyclists suffered serious head injuries.* 34% of non-helmeted cyclists suffered serious head injures.* There was no difference in mortality (1% for both groups). https://chembiopublishers.com/IJARO/IJARO180008.pdf?platform=hootsuite How can both studies be correct? They can't both be correct. And I have been, and remain, astonished at Olivier's skill at either extreme self deception or, more likely, blatant lying. Not only is there plenty of robust evidence of large cycling drops in Australia and New Zealand due to the MHLs, there is no logical way there could _not_ be significant drops. Obviously, many people will not ride if they are forced to wear the plastic hat. They say so repeatedly. How can there be an equal number of people who say "I never wanted to ride a bicycle, but now that they've made it more expensive and less convenient, I want to take it up"?? To me, the most depressing aspects are these: First, so many bicyclists are so uneducated and so innumerate that they think helmets are both absolutely necessary and tremendously effective; and second, so many bicyclists are now so intolerant that they disparage and even mock those who do not buy into the helmet propaganda. For more on that, here's an article by Peter Flax, former editor-in-chief of _Bicycling_ magazine. https://cyclingtips.com/2018/11/comm...a-bike-helmet/ Note what he says about the "firestorm of shouty criticism" the staff endured any time they printed a photo of a cyclist riding without a helmet. Or about the hassling, trolling and shouting he endures for riding just as everyone rode until about 1975. The belief in magic hats is intensely irrational. The militancy of the true believers is obnoxious. Yes, it's not the most important issue in the world, but it's depressing. -- - Frank Krygowski I've been involved in bike-car accidents with and without helmets. Have a scar on my forehead to remind me everyday of the one without a helmet. Got banged up, broken up in both accidents. Emergency room, ambulance for both. Unconscious for the one without a helmet. So I have enough personal experience to prove wearing a helmet helps a lot. And equally, I have been involved in two crashes with broke bones, once my pelvis and once with only a broken rib. In neither case were there any marks on my helmet that indicated that it had touched the ground. -- Cheers, John B. |
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John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 09:33:42 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 10:11:14 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 2/14/2019 7:39 PM, James wrote: A pack of rabid Mandatory Helmet Law zealots in Australia (Raphael Grzebieta, Jake Olivier (former USian), and some other clown who's name eludes me), recently published a paper that looks at the ratio of cycling fatalities per head of population in comparison with pedestrian fatalities per head of population, before and after MHL-Day (1990-91). They claim some 36% decline in cycling fatalities that are a direct result of the MHL protecting cyclists from death. They fail to acknowledge *any* reduction in participation due to the MHL putting people off riding a bike, and IIRC they suggest there is no good evidence that MHL puts people off riding a bike. "In the absence of robust evidence showing a decline in cycling exposure following helmet legislation or other confounding factors, the reduction in Australian bicycle-related fatality appears to be primarily due to increased helmet use and not other factors." https://academic.oup.com/ije/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/ije/dyz003/5307412?redirectedFrom=fulltext Just yesterday I was made aware of a recent study from a large USian hospital, who examined some 1454 cycling ER cases.* 14% wore a helmet. 35% of the helmeted cyclists suffered serious head injuries.* 34% of non-helmeted cyclists suffered serious head injures.* There was no difference in mortality (1% for both groups). https://chembiopublishers.com/IJARO/IJARO180008.pdf?platform=hootsuite How can both studies be correct? They can't both be correct. And I have been, and remain, astonished at Olivier's skill at either extreme self deception or, more likely, blatant lying. Not only is there plenty of robust evidence of large cycling drops in Australia and New Zealand due to the MHLs, there is no logical way there could _not_ be significant drops. Obviously, many people will not ride if they are forced to wear the plastic hat. They say so repeatedly. How can there be an equal number of people who say "I never wanted to ride a bicycle, but now that they've made it more expensive and less convenient, I want to take it up"?? To me, the most depressing aspects are these: First, so many bicyclists are so uneducated and so innumerate that they think helmets are both absolutely necessary and tremendously effective; and second, so many bicyclists are now so intolerant that they disparage and even mock those who do not buy into the helmet propaganda. For more on that, here's an article by Peter Flax, former editor-in-chief of _Bicycling_ magazine. https://cyclingtips.com/2018/11/comm...a-bike-helmet/ Note what he says about the "firestorm of shouty criticism" the staff endured any time they printed a photo of a cyclist riding without a helmet. Or about the hassling, trolling and shouting he endures for riding just as everyone rode until about 1975. The belief in magic hats is intensely irrational. The militancy of the true believers is obnoxious. Yes, it's not the most important issue in the world, but it's depressing. -- - Frank Krygowski I've been involved in bike-car accidents with and without helmets. Have a scar on my forehead to remind me everyday of the one without a helmet. Got banged up, broken up in both accidents. Emergency room, ambulance for both. Unconscious for the one without a helmet. So I have enough personal experience to prove wearing a helmet helps a lot. And equally, I have been involved in two crashes with broke bones, once my pelvis and once with only a broken rib. In neither case were there any marks on my helmet that indicated that it had touched the ground. -- Cheers, John B. You need a bigger helmet :-) |
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On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 03:46:55 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote: John B. Slocomb wrote: On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 09:33:42 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Thursday, February 14, 2019 at 10:11:14 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 2/14/2019 7:39 PM, James wrote: A pack of rabid Mandatory Helmet Law zealots in Australia (Raphael Grzebieta, Jake Olivier (former USian), and some other clown who's name eludes me), recently published a paper that looks at the ratio of cycling fatalities per head of population in comparison with pedestrian fatalities per head of population, before and after MHL-Day (1990-91). They claim some 36% decline in cycling fatalities that are a direct result of the MHL protecting cyclists from death. They fail to acknowledge *any* reduction in participation due to the MHL putting people off riding a bike, and IIRC they suggest there is no good evidence that MHL puts people off riding a bike. "In the absence of robust evidence showing a decline in cycling exposure following helmet legislation or other confounding factors, the reduction in Australian bicycle-related fatality appears to be primarily due to increased helmet use and not other factors." https://academic.oup.com/ije/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1093/ije/dyz003/5307412?redirectedFrom=fulltext Just yesterday I was made aware of a recent study from a large USian hospital, who examined some 1454 cycling ER cases.* 14% wore a helmet. 35% of the helmeted cyclists suffered serious head injuries.* 34% of non-helmeted cyclists suffered serious head injures.* There was no difference in mortality (1% for both groups). https://chembiopublishers.com/IJARO/IJARO180008.pdf?platform=hootsuite How can both studies be correct? They can't both be correct. And I have been, and remain, astonished at Olivier's skill at either extreme self deception or, more likely, blatant lying. Not only is there plenty of robust evidence of large cycling drops in Australia and New Zealand due to the MHLs, there is no logical way there could _not_ be significant drops. Obviously, many people will not ride if they are forced to wear the plastic hat. They say so repeatedly. How can there be an equal number of people who say "I never wanted to ride a bicycle, but now that they've made it more expensive and less convenient, I want to take it up"?? To me, the most depressing aspects are these: First, so many bicyclists are so uneducated and so innumerate that they think helmets are both absolutely necessary and tremendously effective; and second, so many bicyclists are now so intolerant that they disparage and even mock those who do not buy into the helmet propaganda. For more on that, here's an article by Peter Flax, former editor-in-chief of _Bicycling_ magazine. https://cyclingtips.com/2018/11/comm...a-bike-helmet/ Note what he says about the "firestorm of shouty criticism" the staff endured any time they printed a photo of a cyclist riding without a helmet. Or about the hassling, trolling and shouting he endures for riding just as everyone rode until about 1975. The belief in magic hats is intensely irrational. The militancy of the true believers is obnoxious. Yes, it's not the most important issue in the world, but it's depressing. -- - Frank Krygowski I've been involved in bike-car accidents with and without helmets. Have a scar on my forehead to remind me everyday of the one without a helmet. Got banged up, broken up in both accidents. Emergency room, ambulance for both. Unconscious for the one without a helmet. So I have enough personal experience to prove wearing a helmet helps a lot. And equally, I have been involved in two crashes with broke bones, once my pelvis and once with only a broken rib. In neither case were there any marks on my helmet that indicated that it had touched the ground. -- Cheers, John B. You need a bigger helmet :-) Nope, from the injuries I probably need some sort of body armor. See: https://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...y-armour-suits -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 12:40:07 AM UTC, James wrote:
How can both studies be correct? Confirmation bias: the answer depends on the assumptions that analysts if the evidence held before they started the study. It's the opposite of true science, which is indifferent about whether the initial hypothesis is upheld or undermine by the inevitable conclusion a true view of the evidence leads to. Have you ever noticed that the same people always come up with a whole row of similar-sounding answers? Or, worse, that they don't apologise when it is pointed out they made a mistake? Andre Jute It's not rocket science |
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