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"The Wogster" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: [...] The Ancients were human beings of course, but sufficiently different from us in their thinking that we need not concern ourselves with them. Even the Greeks and the Romans were not much better.The only kind of civilization I care about began with the West at about the time of the Renaissance in Italy. However if it had not been for the rise and fall of the Italian (Roman) Empire, then the Italian Renaissance, might have never happened. There was nothing Italian about Ancient Rome. However, there was everything Italian about Renaissance Italy. I do not like to see Rome given too much credit for the rise of Europe. [...] Did you know that Aristotle thought women had fewer teeth in their mouth than men. It apparently never occurred to him to look inside a woman's mouth and count the teeth. What do you make of that? So much for logic! That's not logic, perhaps the women he did look at, had lost a few teeth by that time, so he figured they had less, perhaps with a larger sample size, the possible truth of his idea would have disappeared..... Yes, you are thinking like a man of the West, but Aristotle was thinking like a Greek. Huge difference! The High Middle Ages were quite innovative in very many technical ways, but still they lacked scientific thinking. Technology is not science and is always severely limited in what it can know. Science and Technology are close relatives. Science is the knowledge, technology is the implementation of that knowledge. No technology now in existance, would exist without some scientific discovery. Very sophisticated technology can exist without any foundation in science whatsoever. The High Middle Ages proved that. Here is an example, the science: If you take methane gas, and apply heat you get a chemical reaction (fire). This lead to the technology behind the natural gas furnace. One that I am happy about this morning, in that the temperature outside is -12C, so I don't have to go out and chop wood this morning. The rise of science only occurred in the West. It is why Western Civilization is now dominant in the world. Why it occurred in the West and nowhere else is very mysterious, but I attribute it to the Protestant Reformation in Western Europe. Science and technology are two different things. They may or may not be related. All civilizations have technology, but only the West developed science. Huge difference! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Edward Dolan wrote:
"The Wogster" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: [...] The Ancients were human beings of course, but sufficiently different from us in their thinking that we need not concern ourselves with them. Even the Greeks and the Romans were not much better.The only kind of civilization I care about began with the West at about the time of the Renaissance in Italy. However if it had not been for the rise and fall of the Italian (Roman) Empire, then the Italian Renaissance, might have never happened. There was nothing Italian about Ancient Rome. However, there was everything Italian about Renaissance Italy. I do not like to see Rome given too much credit for the rise of Europe. [...] You sure about that, Rome is in Italy after all, Roman government might have fallen, but there are modern Italians in Rome, who have Roman roots.... However Romans after the fall had to reinvent themselves and Italy is the result. Did you know that Aristotle thought women had fewer teeth in their mouth than men. It apparently never occurred to him to look inside a woman's mouth and count the teeth. What do you make of that? So much for logic! That's not logic, perhaps the women he did look at, had lost a few teeth by that time, so he figured they had less, perhaps with a larger sample size, the possible truth of his idea would have disappeared..... Yes, you are thinking like a man of the West, but Aristotle was thinking like a Greek. Huge difference! Make that ancient Greek, modern Greeks are quite different, I know a few of them..... The High Middle Ages were quite innovative in very many technical ways, but still they lacked scientific thinking. Technology is not science and is always severely limited in what it can know. Science and Technology are close relatives. Science is the knowledge, technology is the implementation of that knowledge. No technology now in existance, would exist without some scientific discovery. Very sophisticated technology can exist without any foundation in science whatsoever. The High Middle Ages proved that. Either your definition of technology or your definition of science is flawed... Here is an example, the science: If you take methane gas, and apply heat you get a chemical reaction (fire). This lead to the technology behind the natural gas furnace. One that I am happy about this morning, in that the temperature outside is -12C, so I don't have to go out and chop wood this morning. The rise of science only occurred in the West. It is why Western Civilization is now dominant in the world. Why it occurred in the West and nowhere else is very mysterious, but I attribute it to the Protestant Reformation in Western Europe. Science and technology are two different things. They may or may not be related. All civilizations have technology, but only the West developed science. Huge difference! Gee, now your thinking like a modern American, where only science that is discoved, and technology developed in the USA count. W |
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Edward Dolan wrote: But we will never know what you said in the first place because you have edited it out of all your posts. Not my fault if you don't know whether you're coming or going. You insult the reader when you do this. You can print it out and call it macroni and cheese for all anyone cares -- your taste buds, your brain. After all, we are not just writing to one another. This is a newsgroup, not email. Last I heard, you had been roundly rejected as newsgroup moderator, so forgive me if I look askance at this pretense to public service. I doubt it, but there is some mystery here apparently. [...] Anyone that obssessed with "World Jewry" has got to be a closet Jew. Kinda like how if we scratch you past the surface, we'll find a slobbering liberal wannabe who got rejected by a half-joo negress back in high school. I will no longer respond to one-liners except for those very few which will give me an opportunity to wax eloquent on subjects of my own choosing. LOL -- try talking about recumbent bicycles, then! After all, I have readers I must consider even if you don't. One-liners are for idiots, not for Great Ones like myself. At what weight did you decide to style yourself a great one? Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota So you wear a Viking helmet when you ride? |
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"NYC XYZ" wrote in message oups.com... [...] Kinda like how if we scratch you past the surface, we'll find a slobbering liberal wannabe who got rejected by a half-joo negress back in high school. Does this not tell us all we will ever have to know about this cretin from NYC. He is into ****ing Blacks. Of course they are all Black prostitutes as no self-respecting Black would have anything to do with a Jew ******* like him. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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"The Wogster" wrote in message news Edward Dolan wrote: "The Wogster" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: [...] The Ancients were human beings of course, but sufficiently different from us in their thinking that we need not concern ourselves with them. Even the Greeks and the Romans were not much better.The only kind of civilization I care about began with the West at about the time of the Renaissance in Italy. However if it had not been for the rise and fall of the Italian (Roman) Empire, then the Italian Renaissance, might have never happened. There was nothing Italian about Ancient Rome. However, there was everything Italian about Renaissance Italy. I do not like to see Rome given too much credit for the rise of Europe. [...] You sure about that, Rome is in Italy after all, Roman government might have fallen, but there are modern Italians in Rome, who have Roman roots.... However Romans after the fall had to reinvent themselves and Italy is the result. No, Italy was invaded by various tribes after the fall of the Empire and there was nothing Roman about them at all. Did you know that Aristotle thought women had fewer teeth in their mouth than men. It apparently never occurred to him to look inside a woman's mouth and count the teeth. What do you make of that? So much for logic! That's not logic, perhaps the women he did look at, had lost a few teeth by that time, so he figured they had less, perhaps with a larger sample size, the possible truth of his idea would have disappeared..... Yes, you are thinking like a man of the West, but Aristotle was thinking like a Greek. Huge difference! Make that ancient Greek, modern Greeks are quite different, I know a few of them..... Yes, modern Greeks and Romans are as Western as you and I are. When I reference Roman and Greek in a historical discussion like this, I am of course referring to the ancient civilizations. The High Middle Ages were quite innovative in very many technical ways, but still they lacked scientific thinking. Technology is not science and is always severely limited in what it can know. Science and Technology are close relatives. Science is the knowledge, technology is the implementation of that knowledge. No technology now in existance, would exist without some scientific discovery. Very sophisticated technology can exist without any foundation in science whatsoever. The High Middle Ages proved that. Either your definition of technology or your definition of science is flawed... Yes, I am assuming a universe of understanding which you do not have. We would have to began with a History of Western Civilization 101 to be followed by a History of Science 101. It is way too much work at our ages. You either get it in your youth or you miss out on it forever. Here is an example, the science: If you take methane gas, and apply heat you get a chemical reaction (fire). This lead to the technology behind the natural gas furnace. One that I am happy about this morning, in that the temperature outside is -12C, so I don't have to go out and chop wood this morning. The rise of science only occurred in the West. It is why Western Civilization is now dominant in the world. Why it occurred in the West and nowhere else is very mysterious, but I attribute it to the Protestant Reformation in Western Europe. Science and technology are two different things. They may or may not be related. All civilizations have technology, but only the West developed science. Huge difference! Gee, now your thinking like a modern American, where only science that is discoved, and technology developed in the USA count. By the West, I mean Western Civilization or Christendom. If you had had a college liberal arts education it would not be necessary for me to recover these terms for you. By the way science was not discovered, it was invented. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Edward Dolan wrote: Does this not tell us all we will ever have to know about this cretin from NYC. He is into ****ing Blacks. LMAO! -- from the guy who's idea of pussy is "meow meow meow." Of course they are all Black prostitutes as no self-respecting Black would have anything to do with a Jew ******* like him. Jews are the most accomplished group next to the Chinee, who're next to take over. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota Now don't you go mouthing off to the Hmong 'bent riders up there! |
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"NYC XYZ" wrote in message ups.com... Edward Dolan wrote: Does this not tell us all we will ever have to know about this cretin from NYC. He is into ****ing Blacks. LMAO! -- from the guy who's idea of pussy is "meow meow meow." Of course they are all Black prostitutes as no self-respecting Black would have anything to do with a Jew ******* like him. Jews are the most accomplished group next to the Chinee, who're next to take over. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota Now don't you go mouthing off to the Hmong 'bent riders up there! fdhkldahauietrisadhkvcdsahfldsjfkl ksadfkaherhewdadkafkdsahfkdsah dsafdsfhkdshfkdshfkdsahfkhdsasf fdhdsafhdsafhkdshfksahdfkdshdf Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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