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25-30 km/h: 700*23 or 28 Which is better?
On Apr 30, 9:06*am, landotter wrote:
On Apr 30, 8:37 am, Tim McNamara wrote: In article , *landotter wrote: On Apr 29, 10:37 pm, Tim McNamara wrote: The 26 x 1.25 are the same width as the 700 x 32, I think. *Very cushy ride but they seem to roll fine. *I've ridden them on brevets and have been very happy with them. *The tread does throw up more water than slicks, so that is at least one down side. True, but not a dealbreaker. I agree. *I use these tires on all my bikes, they are IMHO the best option readily available now that the old Avocet tires are gone (and no shops locally stock them, anyway). Funny, the Avocets used to be so popular in the 80s--I remember a friend having them on his rigid mtb. I believe they were 2.0" Fasgrips. Odd that the Paselas have hung in there in all the sizes-- must be that tread giving consumer confidence.- Hide quoted text - And exceptionally poor marketing by Avocet. I think the tire business was a part time job or hobby for them -- it just took longer to die than their bad private label component business. -- Jay Beattie. |
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25-30 km/h: 700*23 or 28 Which is better?
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, landotter wrote: On Apr 30, 8:37 am, Tim McNamara wrote: In article , landotter wrote: On Apr 29, 10:37 pm, Tim McNamara wrote: The 26 x 1.25 are the same width as the 700 x 32, I think. Very cushy ride but they seem to roll fine. I've ridden them on brevets and have been very happy with them. The tread does throw up more water than slicks, so that is at least one down side. True, but not a dealbreaker. I agree. I use these tires on all my bikes, they are IMHO the best option readily available now that the old Avocet tires are gone (and no shops locally stock them, anyway). Funny, the Avocets used to be so popular in the 80s--I remember a friend having them on his rigid mtb. I believe they were 2.0" Fasgrips. Odd that the Paselas have hung in there in all the sizes-- must be that tread giving consumer confidence. Nah, it was Avocet's resolute insistence on being a pain in the ass for dealers to cope with that cost them their market. They had high minimum order requirements, high shipping costs, etc. and most dealers got fed up and just bought other products. Avocet's computers were the gateway product that established the benchmarks for bike computers, but once Cateye and others caught up with Avocet in that market, that was about it. The original- and pretty creative- owners of Avocet sold the business a while ago, or so I have been told. Had Avocet gone with selling to wholesalers like QBP and Island, they'd have not only saved themselves a bunch of headaches in terms of order fulfillment but would probably also still be a player in the market today. Arguably the most popular road tire brand is Michelin and their top road tires are all slicks. Their tires from the early 90s (Super Comp HD, IIRC) were virtual clones of the Avocet tires. |
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25-30 km/h: 700*23 or 28 Which is better?
On Apr 29, 1:58*pm, landotter wrote:
On Apr 29, 12:20 pm, Mirco Zorzo wrote: Hi, looking for long *ride with less effort which of this tyre size is better for minimize the combination of rolling resistance and aerodynamics? Aerodynamics don't matter unless you're riding at pro levels. Choose 28mm tires if you want a little more comfort over rough roads, pinch flat protection, or you are a heavier rider. I'm not going to comment on the rolling resistance but to say that "garden hose" type tires certainly are palpably slow, some kevlar belted tires can feel slow, but supple and reasonably narrow tires of various brands will all roll very well, red ones slightly better than most. Is that something like "stickers add 10 HP" or is there really something about current red-colored tread compounds that reduce hysteresis or otherwise reduce rolling resistance? Just curious, as I'm currently running 700Cx32s so this discussion is pretty academic at the moment (and I'm not sure with my impressive, um, muscle mass G if a significantly narrower tire would be a good idea) nate |
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25-30 km/h: 700*23 or 28 Which is better?
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, landotter wrote: On Apr 30, 12:46 pm, Michael Press wrote: In article , Tim McNamara wrote: In article , Mirco Zorzo wrote: Hi, looking for long ride with less effort which of this tyre size is better for minimize the combination of rolling resistance and aerodynamics? At those speeds the aerodynamic difference is not likely to be significant. The rolling resistance research has shown that there is some indication that the slightly larger tires have lower rolling resistance, at least up to about 25-26 mm width (usually marked as 700 x 28). However, many larger tires use a heavier, less supple casing and a thicker tread and end up with higher rolling resistance. It is difficult to compare apples to apples in this case. The 700 x 28 version of the Michelin Pro Race measured lower in rolling resistance than the 700 x 23 version of the same tire on one test. I have been very pleased with the performance of the Panaracer Pasela in 700 x 25 (25-26 mm actual width) and 26 x 1.25. They are inexpensive, readily available but are only good for about 1800-2000 miles on the rear IME. If they were slicks I'd like them even better. Make sure you get the new version and not the older version with the raised rib around the tire. The puncture resistance is a bit low with these tires, which is the tradeoff for good performance and a nice ride. Wider tires all have lower thread per inch count in the side walls. Good 25 mm tires run 127 tpi. Good 28 mm tires run 67 tpi. This seems to be an engineering hard point dictated by hoop stress. According to Panaracer's website, the Paselas and the TGs all use 66tpi casing down to the 23s. http://www.panaracer.com/urban.php Nothing says the must use finer thread in a narrow tire. It is feasible and will facilitate better handling tires. -- Michael Press |
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25-30 km/h: 700*23 or 28 Which is better?
N8N writes:
Is that something like "stickers add 10 HP" or is there really something about current red-colored tread compounds that reduce hysteresis or otherwise reduce rolling resistance? It's not mechanical, it's hormonal. Red is the colour of blood and so it substantially increases the production of stress hormones. The scientific community is still divided as to whether it's the production of "good" stress hormones in the rider with the red gear or "bad" stress hormones in the others that is more important, ie whether it actually makes you faster than normal or the others slower than normal. |
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25-30 km/h: 700*23 or 28 Which is better?
Mirco Zorzo ha scritto:
Hi, looking for long ride with less effort which of this tyre size is better for minimize the combination of rolling resistance and aerodynamics? Hi, thanks to all you, now i've understand so much on rolling resistance. I can't respond one to une becouse my english is very poor. Bay. Mirco -- Mirco Zorzo - bdc mai doma, anelante allo sterrato. Massa 11+72 kg. FAQ ng i.h.c (non ufficiali) http://spazioinwind.libero.it/mircoz...urismo.it.html Il petrolio favola moderna - Linux 2.6.20 Registered user #287263 |
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25-30 km/h: 700*23 or 28 Which is better?
Tim McNamara ha scritto:
Hi, looking for long ride with less effort which of this tyre size is better for minimize the combination of rolling resistance and aerodynamics? At those speeds the aerodynamic difference is not likely to be significant. The rolling resistance research has shown that there is some indication that the slightly larger tires have lower rolling resistance, at least up to about 25-26 mm width (usually marked as 700 x 28). However, many larger tires use a heavier, less supple casing and a thicker tread and end up with higher rolling resistance. It is difficult to compare apples to apples in this case. The 700 x 28 version of the Michelin Pro Race measured lower in rolling resistance than the 700 x 23 version of the same tire on one test. Thanks, very intresting, also for your personal experience. Mirco -- Mirco Zorzo - bdc mai doma, anelante allo sterrato. Massa 11+72 kg. FAQ ng i.h.c (non ufficiali) http://spazioinwind.libero.it/mircoz...urismo.it.html Il petrolio favola moderna - Linux 2.6.20 Registered user #287263 |
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25-30 km/h: 700*23 or 28 Which is better?
landotter ha scritto:
On Apr 29, 12:20 pm, Mirco Zorzo wrote: Hi, looking for long ride with less effort which of this tyre size is better for minimize the combination of rolling resistance and aerodynamics? Aerodynamics don't matter unless you're riding at pro levels. Choose 28mm tires if you want a little more comfort over rough roads, pinch flat protection, or you are a heavier rider. I'm not going to comment on the rolling resistance but to say that "garden hose" type tires certainly are palpably slow, some kevlar belted tires can feel slow, but supple and reasonably narrow tires of various brands will all roll very well, red ones slightly better than most. Ok, that's clear. Thank you. Mirco -- Mirco Zorzo - bdc mai doma, anelante allo sterrato. Massa 11+72 kg. FAQ ng i.h.c (non ufficiali) http://spazioinwind.libero.it/mircoz...urismo.it.html Il petrolio favola moderna - Linux 2.6.20 Registered user #287263 |
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