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Mountain biker airlifted after fall
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Mountain biker airlifted after fall 3:33pm Sunday 14th March 2010 By James Savage » A MOUNTAIN biker has been airlifted to hospital after falling from his bike and hitting his head on a tree. West Midlands Ambulance Service was called to Castlemorton, near Malvern, shortly after 11.30am on Sunday. An ambulance, a medical responder and the Midlands Air Ambulance from Cosford were dispatched to the scene. The fire service was also in attendance. A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: “On arrival at the scene crews found a mountain biker who had fallen from his bike and is believed to have hit his head on a tree branch. "The man, believed to be in his late 30’s, was treated on scene for a neck injury. He was given pain relief at the scene and immobilised using a neck collar and spinal board. “Due to the location of the incident a specialist team from the fire service assisted the crew to transfer the patient from the hillside to the ambulance. “The ambulance crew conveyed the patient to the Air Ambulance who airlifted the patient to Worcestershire Royal Hospital for further assessment and treatment.” |
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Mountain biker airlifted after fall
Mike Vandeman wrote:
http://www.malverngazette.co.uk/news...ed_after_fall/ Mountain biker airlifted after fall 3:33pm Sunday 14th March 2010 By James Savage » A MOUNTAIN biker has been airlifted to hospital after falling from his bike and hitting his head on a tree. West Midlands Ambulance Service was called to Castlemorton, near Malvern, shortly after 11.30am on Sunday. An ambulance, a medical responder and the Midlands Air Ambulance from Cosford were dispatched to the scene. The fire service was also in attendance. A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: “On arrival at the scene crews found a mountain biker who had fallen from his bike and is believed to have hit his head on a tree branch. "The man, believed to be in his late 30’s, was treated on scene for a neck injury. He was given pain relief at the scene and immobilised using a neck collar and spinal board. “Due to the location of the incident a specialist team from the fire service assisted the crew to transfer the patient from the hillside to the ambulance. “The ambulance crew conveyed the patient to the Air Ambulance who airlifted the patient to Worcestershire Royal Hospital for further assessment and treatment.” There are parts of this story which are missing. Namely the parts which support your case for a mountain biker being a criminal. Where were the trails? Were they hiking trails which the biker should not have been on? Where is the 'wilderness' that the biker is harming? Granted the biker used services which might have been better used elsewhere. However, who pays for these services? Look closely and I suspect that this person is a taxpayer in the county in which the incident occurred or is at least a taxpayer somewhere else that offers similar services. You can't get away from it. These services are there for just such events as this occurrence. |
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Mountain biker airlifted after fall
On Mar 14, 7:29*pm, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote: http://www.malverngazette.co.uk/news...iker_airlifted... Mountain biker airlifted after fall 3:33pm Sunday 14th March 2010 By James Savage » A MOUNTAIN biker has been airlifted to hospital after falling from his bike and hitting his head on a tree. West Midlands Ambulance Service was called to Castlemorton, near Malvern, shortly after 11.30am on Sunday. An ambulance, a medical responder and the Midlands Air Ambulance from Cosford were dispatched to the scene. The fire service was also in attendance. A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: “On arrival at the scene crews found a mountain biker who had fallen from his bike and is believed to have hit his head on a tree branch. "The man, believed to be in his late 30’s, was treated on scene for a neck injury. He was given pain relief at the scene and immobilised using a neck collar and spinal board. “Due to the location of the incident a specialist team from the fire service assisted the crew to transfer the patient from the hillside to the ambulance. “The ambulance crew conveyed the patient to the Air Ambulance who airlifted the patient to Worcestershire Royal Hospital for further assessment and treatment.” There are parts of this story which are missing. Namely the parts which support your case for a mountain biker being a criminal. Where were the trails? Were they hiking trails which the biker should not have been on? Where is the 'wilderness' that the biker is harming? Granted the biker used services which might have been better used elsewhere. However, who pays for these services? Look closely and I suspect that this person is a taxpayer in the county in which the incident occurred or is at least a taxpayer somewhere else that offers similar services. You can't get away from it. These services are there for just such events as this occurrence.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Learn to read. Where do I say that this mountain biker is a criminal? You are a complete idiot. By the way, rescue services are wasted on people who DELIBERATELY put themselves at risk by practicing an extreme sport like mountain biking. I hope he was billed for every cent. |
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Mountain biker airlifted after fall
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 14, 7:29 pm, VtSkier wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: http://www.malverngazette.co.uk/news...iker_airlifted... Mountain biker airlifted after fall 3:33pm Sunday 14th March 2010 By James Savage » A MOUNTAIN biker has been airlifted to hospital after falling from his bike and hitting his head on a tree. West Midlands Ambulance Service was called to Castlemorton, near Malvern, shortly after 11.30am on Sunday. An ambulance, a medical responder and the Midlands Air Ambulance from Cosford were dispatched to the scene. The fire service was also in attendance. A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: “On arrival at the scene crews found a mountain biker who had fallen from his bike and is believed to have hit his head on a tree branch. "The man, believed to be in his late 30’s, was treated on scene for a neck injury. He was given pain relief at the scene and immobilised using a neck collar and spinal board. “Due to the location of the incident a specialist team from the fire service assisted the crew to transfer the patient from the hillside to the ambulance. “The ambulance crew conveyed the patient to the Air Ambulance who airlifted the patient to Worcestershire Royal Hospital for further assessment and treatment.” There are parts of this story which are missing. Namely the parts which support your case for a mountain biker being a criminal. Where were the trails? Were they hiking trails which the biker should not have been on? Where is the 'wilderness' that the biker is harming? Granted the biker used services which might have been better used elsewhere. However, who pays for these services? Look closely and I suspect that this person is a taxpayer in the county in which the incident occurred or is at least a taxpayer somewhere else that offers similar services. You can't get away from it. These services are there for just such events as this occurrence.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Learn to read. Where do I say that this mountain biker is a criminal? You are a complete idiot. By the way, rescue services are wasted on people who DELIBERATELY put themselves at risk by practicing an extreme sport like mountain biking. I hope he was billed for every cent. Actually I can read quite well. I was pointing out that this mountain biker was clearly NOT a criminal and wondering why you posted the story as it does not support your program of considering all mountain bikers criminals. And as for people putting themselves at risk, you might check out the history of rescues on the Appalachian Trail of hikers. It is quite a common occurrence for HIKERS to be airlifted out of the Mount Washington area for not considering such mundane things as weather. |
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On Mar 17, 7:13*pm, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote: On Mar 14, 7:29 pm, VtSkier wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: http://www.malverngazette.co.uk/news...iker_airlifted.... Mountain biker airlifted after fall 3:33pm Sunday 14th March 2010 By James Savage » A MOUNTAIN biker has been airlifted to hospital after falling from his bike and hitting his head on a tree. West Midlands Ambulance Service was called to Castlemorton, near Malvern, shortly after 11.30am on Sunday. An ambulance, a medical responder and the Midlands Air Ambulance from Cosford were dispatched to the scene. The fire service was also in attendance. A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: “On arrival at the scene crews found a mountain biker who had fallen from his bike and is believed to have hit his head on a tree branch. "The man, believed to be in his late 30’s, was treated on scene for a neck injury. He was given pain relief at the scene and immobilised using a neck collar and spinal board. “Due to the location of the incident a specialist team from the fire service assisted the crew to transfer the patient from the hillside to the ambulance. “The ambulance crew conveyed the patient to the Air Ambulance who airlifted the patient to Worcestershire Royal Hospital for further assessment and treatment.” There are parts of this story which are missing. Namely the parts which support your case for a mountain biker being a criminal. Where were the trails? Were they hiking trails which the biker should not have been on? Where is the 'wilderness' that the biker is harming? Granted the biker used services which might have been better used elsewhere. However, who pays for these services? Look closely and I suspect that this person is a taxpayer in the county in which the incident occurred or is at least a taxpayer somewhere else that offers similar services. You can't get away from it. These services are there for just such events as this occurrence.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Learn to read. Where do I say that this mountain biker is a criminal? You are a complete idiot. By the way, rescue services are wasted on people who DELIBERATELY put themselves at risk by practicing an extreme sport like mountain biking. I hope he was billed for every cent. Actually I can read quite well. I was pointing out that this mountain biker was clearly NOT a criminal You don't know that, liar. You are just fabricating again. and wondering why you posted the story as it does not support your program of considering all mountain bikers criminals. It doesn't detract from it at all. It's on a different topic. DUH! And as for people putting themselves at risk, you might check out the history of rescues on the Appalachian Trail of hikers. It is quite a common occurrence for HIKERS to be airlifted out of the Mount Washington area for not considering such mundane things as weather. Which has NOTHING to do with the FACT that mountain biking is extremely dangerous. MUCH more dangerous than hiking. But you already knew that, and are just feigning ignorance again. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Mountain biker airlifted after fall
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 17, 7:13 pm, VtSkier wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On Mar 14, 7:29 pm, VtSkier wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: http://www.malverngazette.co.uk/news...iker_airlifted... Mountain biker airlifted after fall 3:33pm Sunday 14th March 2010 By James Savage » A MOUNTAIN biker has been airlifted to hospital after falling from his bike and hitting his head on a tree. West Midlands Ambulance Service was called to Castlemorton, near Malvern, shortly after 11.30am on Sunday. An ambulance, a medical responder and the Midlands Air Ambulance from Cosford were dispatched to the scene. The fire service was also in attendance. A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: “On arrival at the scene crews found a mountain biker who had fallen from his bike and is believed to have hit his head on a tree branch. "The man, believed to be in his late 30’s, was treated on scene for a neck injury. He was given pain relief at the scene and immobilised using a neck collar and spinal board. “Due to the location of the incident a specialist team from the fire service assisted the crew to transfer the patient from the hillside to the ambulance. “The ambulance crew conveyed the patient to the Air Ambulance who airlifted the patient to Worcestershire Royal Hospital for further assessment and treatment.” There are parts of this story which are missing. Namely the parts which support your case for a mountain biker being a criminal. Where were the trails? Were they hiking trails which the biker should not have been on? Where is the 'wilderness' that the biker is harming? Granted the biker used services which might have been better used elsewhere. However, who pays for these services? Look closely and I suspect that this person is a taxpayer in the county in which the incident occurred or is at least a taxpayer somewhere else that offers similar services. You can't get away from it. These services are there for just such events as this occurrence.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Learn to read. Where do I say that this mountain biker is a criminal? You are a complete idiot. By the way, rescue services are wasted on people who DELIBERATELY put themselves at risk by practicing an extreme sport like mountain biking. I hope he was billed for every cent. Actually I can read quite well. I was pointing out that this mountain biker was clearly NOT a criminal You don't know that, liar. You are just fabricating again. No, but neither do you know that the mountain biker WAS a criminal. If you were to claim this, it would only be an assertion based on your bias. and wondering why you posted the story as it does not support your program of considering all mountain bikers criminals. It doesn't detract from it at all. It's on a different topic. DUH! Oh, I didn't know you were capable of writing about a different topic. My bad. And as for people putting themselves at risk, you might check out the history of rescues on the Appalachian Trail of hikers. It is quite a common occurrence for HIKERS to be airlifted out of the Mount Washington area for not considering such mundane things as weather. Which has NOTHING to do with the FACT that mountain biking is extremely dangerous. MUCH more dangerous than hiking. But you already knew that, and are just feigning ignorance again. Oh, yeah it does. While mountain biking as practiced by a few (VERY FEW) seems almost accompanied by a death wish, it is in fact a safer sport than say, my chosen sport which is downhill skiing. Now there are skiers who strap on flying squirrel suits and launch themselves off cliffs, soar around a bit and hope their parachute opens. This is not unlike a MB downhiller who tries to thread through a single track trail down a mountain at 60mph but it is nothing like what the VAST majority of skiers choose to do. Yet a number of people who ski will end up dead either directly or indirectly attributable to their sport. A few weeks ago young man hit a padded sign post so hard that he died of internal injuries (NOT head trauma). On that same weekend, a skier had a heart attack on the hill and died. Direct and indirect. Much like your postings of mountain biking. While most skiers are fairly sane, a few will die each year. This is also true of mountain bikers. We all work hard to minimize skiing deaths. The MB community does the same for mountain biking. As usual, your angry, in-your-face approach to this subject exposes your bias and does not further your cause. If you really want to make a difference take a lesson from those who have made a difference and learn that honey attracts more flies than salt. On other forums I see postings about horrific accidents of people engaged in other sports. Most of these posts are to honor the passing of someone who has done some good in that sport, not to put up "in-your-face" how dangerous that sport is. Shane McConkey comes to mind. He was crazy or maybe fearless and was killed while using the aforementioned flying squirrel suit, but he was a great and did much to advance our sport. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Mountain biker airlifted after fall
On Mar 29, 8:25*am, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote: On Mar 17, 7:13 pm, VtSkier wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On Mar 14, 7:29 pm, VtSkier wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: http://www.malverngazette.co.uk/news...iker_airlifted... Mountain biker airlifted after fall 3:33pm Sunday 14th March 2010 By James Savage » A MOUNTAIN biker has been airlifted to hospital after falling from his bike and hitting his head on a tree. West Midlands Ambulance Service was called to Castlemorton, near Malvern, shortly after 11.30am on Sunday. An ambulance, a medical responder and the Midlands Air Ambulance from Cosford were dispatched to the scene. The fire service was also in attendance. A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: “On arrival at the scene crews found a mountain biker who had fallen from his bike and is believed to have hit his head on a tree branch. "The man, believed to be in his late 30’s, was treated on scene for a neck injury. He was given pain relief at the scene and immobilised using a neck collar and spinal board. “Due to the location of the incident a specialist team from the fire service assisted the crew to transfer the patient from the hillside to the ambulance. “The ambulance crew conveyed the patient to the Air Ambulance who airlifted the patient to Worcestershire Royal Hospital for further assessment and treatment.” There are parts of this story which are missing. Namely the parts which support your case for a mountain biker being a criminal. Where were the trails? Were they hiking trails which the biker should not have been on? Where is the 'wilderness' that the biker is harming? Granted the biker used services which might have been better used elsewhere. However, who pays for these services? Look closely and I suspect that this person is a taxpayer in the county in which the incident occurred or is at least a taxpayer somewhere else that offers similar services. You can't get away from it. These services are there for just such events as this occurrence.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Learn to read. Where do I say that this mountain biker is a criminal? You are a complete idiot. By the way, rescue services are wasted on people who DELIBERATELY put themselves at risk by practicing an extreme sport like mountain biking. I hope he was billed for every cent. Actually I can read quite well. I was pointing out that this mountain biker was clearly NOT a criminal You don't know that, liar. You are just fabricating again. No, but neither do you know that the mountain biker WAS a criminal. If you were to claim this, it would only be an assertion based on your bias. But I didn't, did I? So your hypothetical comment makes as much sense as "If you were Joseph Stalin, you would be dead by now". You make no sense whatsoever. Try to follow a train of logic. *and wondering why you posted the story as it does not support your program of considering all mountain bikers criminals. It doesn't detract from it at all. It's on a different topic. DUH! Oh, I didn't know you were capable of writing about a different topic. My bad. *And as for people putting themselves at risk, you might check out the history of rescues on the Appalachian Trail of hikers. It is quite a common occurrence for HIKERS to be airlifted out of the Mount Washington area for not considering such mundane things as weather. Which has NOTHING to do with the FACT that mountain biking is extremely dangerous. MUCH more dangerous than hiking. But you already knew that, and are just feigning ignorance again. Oh, yeah it does. While mountain biking as practiced by a few (VERY FEW) seems almost accompanied by a death wish, it is in fact a safer sport than say, my chosen sport which is downhill skiing. What drug are you sniffing now? I said that the danger of mountain biking has nothing to do with the danger of hiking, and you reply "yeah it does, just look at skiing". HUH? Now you are comparing apples, oranges, and kiwis. Have you ever taken a course in logic? I didn't think so. Now there are skiers who strap on flying squirrel suits and launch themselves off cliffs, soar around a bit and hope their parachute opens. This is not unlike a MB downhiller who tries to thread through a single track trail down a mountain at 60mph but it is nothing like what the VAST majority of skiers choose to do. Yet a number of people who ski will end up dead either directly or indirectly attributable to their sport. A few weeks ago young man hit a padded sign post so hard that he died of internal injuries (NOT head trauma). On that same weekend, a skier had a heart attack on the hill and died. Direct and indirect. Much like your postings of mountain biking. While most skiers are fairly sane, a few will die each year. This is also true of mountain bikers. We all work hard to minimize skiing deaths. The MB community does the same for mountain biking. As usual, your angry, in-your-face approach to this subject exposes your bias and does not further your cause. If you really want to make a difference take a lesson from those who have made a difference and learn that honey attracts more flies than salt. On other forums I see postings about horrific accidents of people engaged in other sports. Most of these posts are to honor the passing of someone who has done some good in that sport, not to put up "in-your-face" how dangerous that sport is. Shane McConkey comes to mind. He was crazy or maybe fearless and was killed while using the aforementioned flying squirrel suit, but he was a great and did much to advance our sport. What an idiot! Sports cannot be "advanced". Mountain biking (and skiing) can only do more or less damage. There is nothing "advanced" about it, and the fact that someone practices it does not call for adulation, but disgust. If you were HONEST, you would agree. |
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Mountain biker airlifted after fall
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 29, 8:25 am, VtSkier wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On Mar 17, 7:13 pm, VtSkier wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: On Mar 14, 7:29 pm, VtSkier wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote: http://www.malverngazette.co.uk/news...iker_airlifted... Mountain biker airlifted after fall 3:33pm Sunday 14th March 2010 By James Savage » A MOUNTAIN biker has been airlifted to hospital after falling from his bike and hitting his head on a tree. West Midlands Ambulance Service was called to Castlemorton, near Malvern, shortly after 11.30am on Sunday. An ambulance, a medical responder and the Midlands Air Ambulance from Cosford were dispatched to the scene. The fire service was also in attendance. A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: “On arrival at the scene crews found a mountain biker who had fallen from his bike and is believed to have hit his head on a tree branch. "The man, believed to be in his late 30’s, was treated on scene for a neck injury. He was given pain relief at the scene and immobilised using a neck collar and spinal board. “Due to the location of the incident a specialist team from the fire service assisted the crew to transfer the patient from the hillside to the ambulance. “The ambulance crew conveyed the patient to the Air Ambulance who airlifted the patient to Worcestershire Royal Hospital for further assessment and treatment.” There are parts of this story which are missing. Namely the parts which support your case for a mountain biker being a criminal. Where were the trails? Were they hiking trails which the biker should not have been on? Where is the 'wilderness' that the biker is harming? Granted the biker used services which might have been better used elsewhere. However, who pays for these services? Look closely and I suspect that this person is a taxpayer in the county in which the incident occurred or is at least a taxpayer somewhere else that offers similar services. You can't get away from it. These services are there for just such events as this occurrence.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Learn to read. Where do I say that this mountain biker is a criminal? You are a complete idiot. By the way, rescue services are wasted on people who DELIBERATELY put themselves at risk by practicing an extreme sport like mountain biking. I hope he was billed for every cent. Actually I can read quite well. I was pointing out that this mountain biker was clearly NOT a criminal You don't know that, liar. You are just fabricating again. No, but neither do you know that the mountain biker WAS a criminal. If you were to claim this, it would only be an assertion based on your bias. But I didn't, did I? So your hypothetical comment makes as much sense as "If you were Joseph Stalin, you would be dead by now". You make no sense whatsoever. Try to follow a train of logic. and wondering why you posted the story as it does not support your program of considering all mountain bikers criminals. It doesn't detract from it at all. It's on a different topic. DUH! Oh, I didn't know you were capable of writing about a different topic. My bad. And as for people putting themselves at risk, you might check out the history of rescues on the Appalachian Trail of hikers. It is quite a common occurrence for HIKERS to be airlifted out of the Mount Washington area for not considering such mundane things as weather. Which has NOTHING to do with the FACT that mountain biking is extremely dangerous. MUCH more dangerous than hiking. But you already knew that, and are just feigning ignorance again. Oh, yeah it does. While mountain biking as practiced by a few (VERY FEW) seems almost accompanied by a death wish, it is in fact a safer sport than say, my chosen sport which is downhill skiing. What drug are you sniffing now? I said that the danger of mountain biking has nothing to do with the danger of hiking, and you reply "yeah it does, just look at skiing". HUH? Now you are comparing apples, oranges, and kiwis. Have you ever taken a course in logic? I didn't think so. Tell you what Mikey, using nit-picky logic 'rules' is yet another way to **** people off. The proper way to respond to such an approach is with middle finger extended. But I'm not that sort of person. You however, try to change the subject in the middle of a conversation in order to try to stay on the point (whatever it is) that you are making. You started out with part of your argument being about what a waste of services is the fact of airlifting out an injured mountain biker. I answered that (not refuted, I understand) hiking can and does cause a similar waste of resources/services by hikers not being aware of all the variables and illustrated this by citing rescues that take place all the time on hiking trails of hikers in the White Mountains of New Hampshire. Then, you said by way of emphasis of your point that Mountain Biking is a very dangerous sport. To which I responded IN THE AFFIRMATIVE agreeing with you and then went on to point out that is isn't the ONLY dangerous sport in which a great many people take part. If you want to continue this logic sparring I'll accomodate you to a point. Then, I will hammer at you again and again that it's your approach that I'm quarreling with you about, not always necessarily and not always your content. I will say you are always right that MBing is a dangerous sport. It's not the point of your central argument. You just think it's a way to convince people that they shouldn't be MBing. It's not. In fact the danger or at least the the thought of danger is often what is attractive to many people. So, I would suggest that you drop those kinds of posts which support this idea. Yeah, we all know it's potentially dangerous. So what's your point? I would begin to support you with your campaign of getting MB's out of the wilderness. You would need to do a couple of things for me to do this. 1) Understand the difference between roads and trails and make this difference known in your posts. 2) Consider MBing as appropriate for areas which are set aside for pursuit of the sport. 3) Include ALL wheeled vehicles in your condemnation of MB's on trails and in wilderness areas. 4) Make clear your definition of "wilderness". There is true wilderness, but not around here. All of land in this part of New England was once cleared farmland. Now a lot of that has been reclaimed by nature. There are a lot of very wild areas, but you will still see a stone wall going through here and there to mark past fields and meadows. I believe that much of this wild reclaimed land should be included in your definition and wheeled vehicles should be excluded. This is especially true at high elevations and steep land. I further believe that there is much 'true' wilderness that is so fragile and so precious that even foot traffic should be at least limited if not excluded. 5) And finally. Stop blaming the many for the sins of the few. Stop blaming ALL mountain bikers for the rudeness and disregard of what is precious because a few see nature as their playground to be used in any way they want. Stop blaming mountain bikers and mountain biking for the fact that some criminals use mountain bikes to support their crimes. One of your arguments for saying that if a criminal uses a mountain bike in the commission of his particular crime, he must be a mountain biker since mountain bikes are so expensive, he wouldn't buy one just to ride to his crime. I shown you that that just isn't so by pointing out that you can buy a "mountain bike" in many department stores for less than $100. You must agree with that and have gone to your local Wal-mart to verify since you haven't responded to that statement of mine. Oh, and as part of this, drop the ad-hominem attacks. I try very hard not to do this, but when you do it to me, it's sometimes very hard not to reply in kind. Now there are skiers who strap on flying squirrel suits and launch themselves off cliffs, soar around a bit and hope their parachute opens. This is not unlike a MB downhiller who tries to thread through a single track trail down a mountain at 60mph but it is nothing like what the VAST majority of skiers choose to do. Yet a number of people who ski will end up dead either directly or indirectly attributable to their sport. A few weeks ago young man hit a padded sign post so hard that he died of internal injuries (NOT head trauma). On that same weekend, a skier had a heart attack on the hill and died. Direct and indirect. Much like your postings of mountain biking. While most skiers are fairly sane, a few will die each year. This is also true of mountain bikers. We all work hard to minimize skiing deaths. The MB community does the same for mountain biking. As usual, your angry, in-your-face approach to this subject exposes your bias and does not further your cause. If you really want to make a difference take a lesson from those who have made a difference and learn that honey attracts more flies than salt. On other forums I see postings about horrific accidents of people engaged in other sports. Most of these posts are to honor the passing of someone who has done some good in that sport, not to put up "in-your-face" how dangerous that sport is. Shane McConkey comes to mind. He was crazy or maybe fearless and was killed while using the aforementioned flying squirrel suit, but he was a great and did much to advance our sport. What an idiot! Sports cannot be "advanced". Mountain biking (and skiing) can only do more or less damage. There is nothing "advanced" about it, and the fact that someone practices it does not call for adulation, but disgust. If you were HONEST, you would agree. Of course sports can be advanced. Damage is not part of the equation of advancement. It is another argument altogether. Again you are doing nit-picking logic with me and it won't work. By the way, calling me an "idiot" does not make your statement true, it just has the effect of ****ing me off and wanting to answer you in kind. If you believe that sports cannot be advanced and why, just say so. If I believe differently I'll say so too and why. I don't need to 'win' such an argument. We can agree to disagree without being rude, angry and disrespectful. As part of that, I'll admit to answering you kind in the past and for that I apologize. Advancement in a sport can be technological (equipment), social (rules governing) and others I might be able to think of. The damage or lack of same or even confining any possible damage to the environment to as small an area as possible is the subject of where you pursue such a sport. Ski areas contain skiers to a rather small area. A couple of years ago, a group of skiers decided at a New England ski area, that the place they like to ski was too small. They proceeded to cut a new, wide trail down a mountain with no permission from the landowner, no environmental permit from the state, and no notion whatever of the damage they were doing. They were promptly discovered, made to pay damages to the landowner and in fact served some time in jail. Mountain bikers using roads that already exist are not increasing damage to the environment. Mountain bikers who want to use narrow single track trails and who do so at ski areas in the summer on designated trails which are maintained by fees they pay for the privilege are not increasing damage to the environment. I agree that the opposite of these two statements is indeed true and should be the focus of your campaign. Unless, of course, you have been injured in some way by a (single) mountain biker and just want to get back at him/her by attacking all mountain bikers. This seems like what you are doing and I will repeat again that this will hurt to the point of negation your campaign of preserving wilderness, if indeed that is your goal. Is it? Really? I'm not convinced. |
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