Ride an SUB not an SUV

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donquijote1954 wrote:
On Mar 4, 9:49 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo"
wrote:
On Mar 3, 11:47 am, "donquijote1954"

wrote:

Hey, be smart. You are part of the solution, not part of the
problem.
And you save the buck. Dinosaurs are a thing of the past and the
little furry animals are here to stay.
There are two versions of it...
bike:
http://www.zazzle.com/product/235847689274986069
and bus:
http://www.zazzle.com/product/235396990102826110
OK, how is the bus not polluting?

You don't see it everyday, but it's possible. Just some new
technologies and some political will to make it happen...

Heaven Help Bus
A visit to Iceland spurs dreams of a hydrogen future

The loneliness of the long-distance rider.I have seen the future,
and
it works.

The 111 bus rolls quietly up to the Mjodd terminal in eastern
Reykjavik at 11:19 a.m., and I climb aboard. For 45 minutes, we
cruise
through the suburbs and then to the central square downtown,
picking
up and discharging eight passengers along the way. Fuel cells that
would have filled the space of several passenger seats five years
ago
are now small enough to fit in the roof panels. And out the
exhaust
pipe: a trickle of water.


http://www.grist.org/comments/soapbo...n-hydrogenbus/

I have a dream...that someday buses will not pollute. Actually we
could make it happen now much easier than having all the cars be
replaced with hybrid. Just change the fleet of buses to hydrogen
or
some other technologies out there.

We can make it happen with THE REVOLUTION. Coming soon...

Too optimistic. Somebody, somewhere is probably burning coal or oil
to
make the electricity to electrolyze the water to make the Hydrogen.
It only really works if the electricity comes from wind, solar,
hydro,
or, dare I say it, NUculear (Bush pronunciation).
Bill Baka

Anything which makes a bus more efficient would make a car even more
efficient than the bus. Right now transit buses waste fuel big time.


"Who killed the electric car" would be a good movie for this thread.
I will never buy anything from GM. Wusses!



The public killed the electric car because lead-acid batteries are not
really of much use in today's world. But a plug-in hybrid would meet
the
needs of about 90% of American commuters.

If GM kept it it would have evolved because people were in love with it.
They crushed brand new cars and took them away from people who wanted to
pay
for them. They were under pressure from oil and car makers to scrap it
because it would have been the right thing at the right time. Gee where
have I heard that one before. There would be no war with the US either
if
they went that way.


Sorry. Lead-acid batteries will not hack it even with high gas prices.

"donquijote1954" wrote in message
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On Mar 4, 10:57 pm, "nash" wrote:
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"Bill Baka" wrote in message
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donquijote1954 wrote:
On Mar 4, 9:49 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo"
wrote:
On Mar 3, 11:47 am, "donquijote1954"
wrote:

Hey, be smart. You are part of the solution, not part of the
problem.
And you save the buck. Dinosaurs are a thing of the past and the
little furry animals are here to stay.
There are two versions of it...
bike:
http://www.zazzle.com/product/235847689274986069
and bus:
http://www.zazzle.com/product/235396990102826110
OK, how is the bus not polluting?

You don't see it everyday, but it's possible. Just some new
technologies and some political will to make it happen...

Heaven Help Bus
A visit to Iceland spurs dreams of a hydrogen future

The loneliness of the long-distance rider.I have seen the future,
and
it works.

The 111 bus rolls quietly up to the Mjodd terminal in eastern
Reykjavik at 11:19 a.m., and I climb aboard. For 45 minutes, we
cruise
through the suburbs and then to the central square downtown,
picking
up and discharging eight passengers along the way. Fuel cells that
would have filled the space of several passenger seats five years
ago
are now small enough to fit in the roof panels. And out the exhaust
pipe: a trickle of water.


http://www.grist.org/comments/soapbo...n-hydrogenbus/

I have a dream...that someday buses will not pollute. Actually we
could make it happen now much easier than having all the cars be
replaced with hybrid. Just change the fleet of buses to hydrogen or
some other technologies out there.

We can make it happen with THE REVOLUTION. Coming soon...

Too optimistic. Somebody, somewhere is probably burning coal or oil
to
make the electricity to electrolyze the water to make the Hydrogen.
It only really works if the electricity comes from wind, solar,
hydro,
or, dare I say it, NUculear (Bush pronunciation).
Bill Baka

Anything which makes a bus more efficient would make a car even more
efficient than the bus. Right now transit buses waste fuel big time.

"Who killed the electric car" would be a good movie for this thread.
I will never buy anything from GM. Wusses!- Hide quoted text -


The Tango is a fun option if you want to dance --or drive...

(I'd love one. Gotta ask Santa. Then buy life insurance, because I'd
be dead meat with it in the Darwinian roads where I live)

Tango

Doubling freeways. Quadrupling parking.
0-60 mph in 4 seconds.

The Tango--unique in many ways--has the solution for some of the major
problems we have with automobiles today. Traffic has overcome the
current freeway system. There are too many 4-passenger cars using an
entire lane to transport a single person. There is also too much
pollution from gasoline vehicles.

Solution: Reduce traffic and pollution with the Tango,

CU reports on the Car for Two. It is the worst car they ever tested.

"Clark F Morris" wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:29:39 GMT, "George Conklin"
wrote:


"Bill Baka" wrote in message
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George Conklin wrote:
"Bill Baka" wrote in message
t...
donquijote1954 wrote:
On Mar 4, 9:49 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo"
wrote:
On Mar 3, 11:47 am, "donquijote1954"
wrote:

Hey, be smart. You are part of the solution, not part of the
problem.
And you save the buck. Dinosaurs are a thing of the past and the
little furry animals are here to stay.
There are two versions of it...
bike:
http://www.zazzle.com/product/235847689274986069
and bus:
http://www.zazzle.com/product/235396990102826110
OK, how is the bus not polluting?
You don't see it everyday, but it's possible. Just some new
technologies and some political will to make it happen...

Heaven Help Bus
A visit to Iceland spurs dreams of a hydrogen future

The loneliness of the long-distance rider.I have seen the future,
and
it works.

The 111 bus rolls quietly up to the Mjodd terminal in eastern
Reykjavik at 11:19 a.m., and I climb aboard. For 45 minutes, we
cruise
through the suburbs and then to the central square downtown,
picking
up and discharging eight passengers along the way. Fuel cells that
would have filled the space of several passenger seats five years
ago
are now small enough to fit in the roof panels. And out the exhaust
pipe: a trickle of water.


http://www.grist.org/comments/soapbo...n-hydrogenbus/

I have a dream...that someday buses will not pollute. Actually we
could make it happen now much easier than having all the cars be
replaced with hybrid. Just change the fleet of buses to hydrogen or
some other technologies out there.

We can make it happen with THE REVOLUTION. Coming soon...

Too optimistic. Somebody, somewhere is probably burning coal or oil
to
make the electricity to electrolyze the water to make the Hydrogen.
It only really works if the electricity comes from wind, solar,
hydro,
or, dare I say it, NUculear (Bush pronunciation).
Bill Baka

Anything which makes a bus more efficient would make a car even more
efficient than the bus. Right now transit buses waste fuel big time.


Only if nobody rides them. When I was a kid in the Chicago area I could
go anywhere on a weekend with a travel buddy of mine. We took the train
into downtown, then the 'el' ( hard to explain), and over/underground
subway system. Then there were electric trolley buses, and finally
regular buses to get us within walking distance.
And, yes, any one of those modes of transportation sucks fuel big time
if nobody rides them. If they are full they are a good thing. SUV's and
single occupant soccer moms have messed up the equation.
Bill Baka

Actually a SUV would use about the same fuel as a current transit bus.

George, while SUVs are fuel guzzlers, they still get 2 - 3 times the
miles per gallon as a transit bus. The question is whether the
transit bus average loading is 3 or more times greater than the
average loading of an SUV in similar circumstances (urban area driving
only and dead head trips included). Any time there is carpooling
there probably is either dead head mileage or circuity, sometimes
both.

The car cannot drive itself back to the starting point with no driver.
The whole point of car pooling is to park the car at work. The AVERAGE
loads of transit buses and cars shows that the current SUVs and tranit buses
are about equal in fuel economy. Otherwise, the car beats both.

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Clark F Morris wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:29:39 GMT, "George Conklin"
wrote:

"Bill Baka" wrote in message
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George Conklin wrote:
"Bill Baka" wrote in message
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donquijote1954 wrote:
On Mar 4, 9:49 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo"
wrote:
On Mar 3, 11:47 am, "donquijote1954"
wrote:

Hey, be smart. You are part of the solution, not part of the
problem.
And you save the buck. Dinosaurs are a thing of the past and the
little furry animals are here to stay.
There are two versions of it...
bike:
http://www.zazzle.com/product/235847689274986069
and bus:
http://www.zazzle.com/product/235396990102826110
OK, how is the bus not polluting?
You don't see it everyday, but it's possible. Just some new
technologies and some political will to make it happen...

Heaven Help Bus
A visit to Iceland spurs dreams of a hydrogen future

The loneliness of the long-distance rider.I have seen the future,
and
it works.

The 111 bus rolls quietly up to the Mjodd terminal in eastern
Reykjavik at 11:19 a.m., and I climb aboard. For 45 minutes, we
cruise
through the suburbs and then to the central square downtown,
picking
up and discharging eight passengers along the way. Fuel cells that
would have filled the space of several passenger seats five years
ago
are now small enough to fit in the roof panels. And out the exhaust
pipe: a trickle of water.


http://www.grist.org/comments/soapbo...n-hydrogenbus/

I have a dream...that someday buses will not pollute. Actually we
could make it happen now much easier than having all the cars be
replaced with hybrid. Just change the fleet of buses to hydrogen or
some other technologies out there.

We can make it happen with THE REVOLUTION. Coming soon...

Too optimistic. Somebody, somewhere is probably burning coal or oil
to
make the electricity to electrolyze the water to make the Hydrogen.
It only really works if the electricity comes from wind, solar,
hydro,
or, dare I say it, NUculear (Bush pronunciation).
Bill Baka
Anything which makes a bus more efficient would make a car even more
efficient than the bus. Right now transit buses waste fuel big time.


Only if nobody rides them. When I was a kid in the Chicago area I
could
go anywhere on a weekend with a travel buddy of mine. We took the
train
into downtown, then the 'el' ( hard to explain), and over/underground
subway system. Then there were electric trolley buses, and finally
regular buses to get us within walking distance.
And, yes, any one of those modes of transportation sucks fuel big time
if nobody rides them. If they are full they are a good thing. SUV's
and
single occupant soccer moms have messed up the equation.
Bill Baka
Actually a SUV would use about the same fuel as a current transit bus.

George, while SUVs are fuel guzzlers, they still get 2 - 3 times the
miles per gallon as a transit bus. The question is whether the
transit bus average loading is 3 or more times greater than the
average loading of an SUV in similar circumstances (urban area driving
only and dead head trips included). Any time there is carpooling
there probably is either dead head mileage or circuity, sometimes
both.

Gas is going to have to hit $3 a gallon and stay there for the soccer
mom crowd to realize they need a little Geo-Metro 3 banger just to run
to the store for a pack of smokes, or some **** paper or other silly
little errand. People are slow learners.
Bill Baka

It would need to more like $6 for anything much to happen. And besides,
people will always use their cars for shopping even if they take transit to
work, for no fuel savings, but then the bill goes to the public in terms of
subsidized fares.

"donquijote1954" wrote in message
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On Mar 4, 8:33 pm, "George Conklin"
wrote:
I have a dream...that someday buses will not pollute. Actually we
could make it happen now much easier than having all the cars be
replaced with hybrid. Just change the fleet of buses to hydrogen or
some other technologies out there.

We can make it happen with THE REVOLUTION. Coming soon...

Too optimistic. Somebody, somewhere is probably burning coal or oil to
make the electricity to electrolyze the water to make the Hydrogen.
It only really works if the electricity comes from wind, solar, hydro,
or, dare I say it, NUculear (Bush pronunciation).
Bill Baka

Anything which makes a bus more efficient would make a car even more
efficient than the bus. Right now transit buses waste fuel big time.-
Hide quoted text -

Only true if less than 7 passengers ride it. And still it means fewer
vehicles out there to feed traffic jams...

Using Mass Transit
The key to mass transit is the word "mass". The more of us who use it,
the more global warming pollution it saves.

Full cars would also do the same thing, but the laws are set up to
discourage that and to encourage money-losing transit systems.

"Bill Baka" wrote in message
...
donquijote1954 wrote:
On Mar 4, 8:33 pm, "George Conklin"
wrote:
I have a dream...that someday buses will not pollute. Actually we
could make it happen now much easier than having all the cars be
replaced with hybrid. Just change the fleet of buses to hydrogen or
some other technologies out there.
We can make it happen with THE REVOLUTION. Coming soon...
Too optimistic. Somebody, somewhere is probably burning coal or oil to
make the electricity to electrolyze the water to make the Hydrogen.
It only really works if the electricity comes from wind, solar, hydro,
or, dare I say it, NUculear (Bush pronunciation).
Bill Baka
Anything which makes a bus more efficient would make a car even more
efficient than the bus. Right now transit buses waste fuel big time.-
Hide quoted text -

Only true if less than 7 passengers ride it. And still it means fewer
vehicles out there to feed traffic jams...

Using Mass Transit
The key to mass transit is the word "mass". The more of us who use it,
the more global warming pollution it saves. That's because a bus or
train releases more CO2 into the air than a car, but a bus or train
holds many, many more people and thus keeps all those cars off the
road.

A bus with just 7 passengers is more fuel efficient than the average
car.

How many carpoolers do you see crammed with 7 people?
Reality check?
Bill Baka



These fake comparison compare a full bus with car with only the driver. If
both were full, in transit service they would again be equal. Long-distance
buses, NEVER trains, yield the biggest savings. But no one wants to hear
what works. I know there are many train foamers, no bus foamers.

George Conklin wrote:
"Bill Baka" wrote in message
t...
Gas is going to have to hit $3 a gallon and stay there for the soccer
mom crowd to realize they need a little Geo-Metro 3 banger just to run
to the store for a pack of smokes, or some **** paper or other silly
little errand. People are slow learners.
Bill Baka

It would need to more like $6 for anything much to happen. And besides,
people will always use their cars for shopping even if they take transit to
work, for no fuel savings, but then the bill goes to the public in terms of
subsidized fares.


Yeah,
The wallet forces people to make changes with less griping than any law
ever has. What's wrong with carpooling and soccer-momming an SUV and
using a toy car like the Geo for actual commuting? Some of these people
are so brain dead they say they can't afford 2 cars. HUH! They can
afford the gas and the average $30G's for an SUV, so why not $14,000 for
a new micro-car or even less for a used one?
Of course about 20% of Americans still smoke and about half drink
alcohol, not to mention the drug users, and they know it's bad for them
but they do it anyway.
I guess you can't argue with idiots, especially if they think they have
enough money to waste on those things.
Sigh.
Bill Baka

On Mar 5, 4:34 pm, "George Conklin"
wrote:
"donquijote1954" wrote in message

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On Mar 4, 10:57 pm, "nash" wrote:
"George Conklin" wrote in message

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"Bill Baka" wrote in message
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donquijote1954 wrote:
On Mar 4, 9:49 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo"
wrote:
On Mar 3, 11:47 am, "donquijote1954"
wrote:

Hey, be smart. You are part of the solution, not part of the
problem.
And you save the buck. Dinosaurs are a thing of the past and the
little furry animals are here to stay.
There are two versions of it...
bike:
http://www.zazzle.com/product/235847689274986069
and bus:
http://www.zazzle.com/product/235396990102826110
OK, how is the bus not polluting?

You don't see it everyday, but it's possible. Just some new
technologies and some political will to make it happen...

Heaven Help Bus
A visit to Iceland spurs dreams of a hydrogen future

The loneliness of the long-distance rider.I have seen the future,
and
it works.

The 111 bus rolls quietly up to the Mjodd terminal in eastern
Reykjavik at 11:19 a.m., and I climb aboard. For 45 minutes, we
cruise
through the suburbs and then to the central square downtown,
picking
up and discharging eight passengers along the way. Fuel cells that
would have filled the space of several passenger seats five years
ago
are now small enough to fit in the roof panels. And out the exhaust
pipe: a trickle of water.

http://www.grist.org/comments/soapbo...n-hydrogenbus/

I have a dream...that someday buses will not pollute. Actually we
could make it happen now much easier than having all the cars be
replaced with hybrid. Just change the fleet of buses to hydrogen or
some other technologies out there.

We can make it happen with THE REVOLUTION. Coming soon...

Too optimistic. Somebody, somewhere is probably burning coal or oil
to
make the electricity to electrolyze the water to make the Hydrogen.
It only really works if the electricity comes from wind, solar,
hydro,
or, dare I say it, NUculear (Bush pronunciation).
Bill Baka

Anything which makes a bus more efficient would make a car even more
efficient than the bus. Right now transit buses waste fuel big time.

"Who killed the electric car" would be a good movie for this thread.
I will never buy anything from GM. Wusses!- Hide quoted text -

The Tango is a fun option if you want to dance --or drive...

(I'd love one. Gotta ask Santa. Then buy life insurance, because I'd
be dead meat with it in the Darwinian roads where I live)

Tango

Doubling freeways. Quadrupling parking.
0-60 mph in 4 seconds.

The Tango--unique in many ways--has the solution for some of the major
problems we have with automobiles today. Traffic has overcome the
current freeway system. There are too many 4-passenger cars using an
entire lane to transport a single person. There is also too much
pollution from gasoline vehicles.

Solution: Reduce traffic and pollution with the Tango,

CU reports on the Car for Two. It is the worst car they ever tested.- Hide quoted text -

In a collision with what, a Hummer? I'm sure that if it hit another
Tango, it would have the same consequences as if two Hummers rammed
each other.

On Mar 5, 5:29 pm, "Roger Zoul" wrote:

:: I guess you can't argue with idiots, especially if they think they
:: have enough money to waste on those things.
:: Sigh.
:: Bill Baka

Is drinking alcohol bad for you?

Only if you drink and drive. Then it gets as dangerous as talking on
the phone.

"George Conklin" wrote in message
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These fake comparison compare a full bus with car with only the driver.
If
both were full, in transit service they would again be equal.
Long-distance
buses, NEVER trains, yield the biggest savings. But no one wants to hear
what works. I know there are many train foamers, no bus foamers.

I have never noticed busses being dirtier than trains.