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On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 11:08:23 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/18/2018 12:15 PM, jbeattie wrote: I spit on tiny clown pumps -- no, I mean it. Sometimes the pump-handle/piston needs lubrication. I prefer the hose models, but all of them are a PITA and require about 200 strokes to get a tire up to pressure. I also carry CO2 cartridges and used both the pump and the cartridges last weekend due to a flat-fest with my son. I buy cheap cartridges in bulk from Amazon. Yes, the environmental impact of steel cartridges is bad . . . but they're so convenient! I scoffed at them until I started using them, but I would not go with CO2 alone. I always carry a pump. A couple years ago, after some health problems, I went on a club ride that was nearly too much for me. It was very hot, and I think my recent bronchitis was still constricting my breathing. I was fighting to keep up.. As we were climbing on one of the more remote roads around here, one guy flatted. Normally I'm one of the chief flat fixers, but I lay my bike down, then lay myself down on its downhill side and propped my feet up on the handlebars, trying to get some strength back. Lucky for me, the repair was a disaster. They put in one spare tube, but it was leaking badly. They put another tube in and tried inflating it with CO2. The CO2 fitting somehow misfired. They wasted another CO2... and so on. I finally got up and gave them my full-size Zefal pump, the only inflating device I ever carry. (Except on the folding bike, where I have a mini pump stashed.) They succeeded with the Zefal. And I had recovered enough that I was OK the rest of the ride, and perfect after a Dairy Queen stop for a bunch of Mountain Dew. I think if I were to carry anything else on the bike, it would be Mountain Dew. -- - Frank Krygowski My experience is just the opposite. A common mistake people make with CO2 cartridges is that the fill their tire in one blow. The valve will freeze if there is some humidity in the air. Better is to fill your tire in 3 or 4 blows and wait a couple of seconds in between. people should have paid attention during science class ;-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_process Lou |
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On 2018-07-18 22:37, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 07:56:20 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2018-07-16 18:42, John B. Slocomb wrote: On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 19:33:37 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 7/16/2018 1:41 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-07-16 10:23, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 7/16/2018 1:19 PM, Joerg wrote: [...] You would not believe how often my "excess baggage" has saved the day for others with serious signs of dehydration and zero ounces in their bottles. You're right about that: I would not believe. Unless, that is, you're going to give us a very, very low number. One guy (on a hike in Yosemite) would most likely not have made it if it wasn't for a large excess stash of water and food in our backpacks. ... A Chinese tourist in Grand Canyon ran out of water and gave up on the trail, in the glistening sun. Just wanted to "stay there". I have her a lot of water and food until she perked up. Oh, silly me. I thought we were talking about bicycling! How strange. Over here the Chinese tourists all travel in groups on pre-arranged tours. There are two reasons for this, firstly some of the more remote Chinese dialects probably won't be understood outside their local regions and secondly that the Chinese, like the Japanese before them, tend to be on prepaid tours. Pay the full amount of the tour tour cost before you depart and enjoy a fun filled, jam packed, vacation with every minute supervised by the tour guide. We recently had a tour boat sink in Phuket and a number of Chinese were drowned. The next morning the news announced that 27,000 Chinese had cancelled their visit to Phuket. They seem to act as groups. Wandering about alone and getting dehydrated just doesn't seem to happen with the Chinese here. Strange that they are so different in America. Or perhaps they aren't. After all he quotes the Chinese saying "I wanna stay here" something that would be impossible with a real Chinese Tour member as he wouldn't have spoken English and if he were speaking the kind of Chinese that you hear in N.E. Thailand it would sound much like "Koi Yak Hi Chow You Mong Me". But then the Chinese have figured in some of the more imaginative writing. Remember Fu Manchu and the Yellow Peril ? Believe it or not but there are Chinese who do speak English. There are also Chinese who vacation like we used to, landing, renting a car and heading out, sans pre-reserved hotel beds. Many did it like us, reserving only the first and last night at a hotel near the airport. We met many of them during our trips. Of course there are. However on a proportion basis the vast bulk of the Chinese "tourists", my guess is in the 90% range, are on these prepaid tours. And the vast bulk do not speak a foreign language. The vast bulk of such tourists from any country never sets foot into the Grand Canyon. Certainly not past the plateau on the Bright Angel Trail. Those groups merely stand at the edge ... "Now all smile please" ... click, while the bus engine idles to keep its A/C going. See all of the Western US in 10 days, or something like that. There are people in this world who, like us, can't stand being cooped up in a tour bus and being told "Hurry, we've only got 20 minutes here". BTW, if you want you sig line cut off automatically in replies you have to add another space behind the two dashes, like in mine below. No big deal, just saying. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 21:52:31 -0400, Radey Shouman
wrote: Seriously? They don't get all damp and sweaty and ground into pieces? Pockets work for old fashioned handkerchiefs, not so much for tissues, in my experience. I use a table napkin or a paper towel -- the towel in the winter when I'm going to be feeling for it with mittens on. A napkin has the further advantage that one can stick it back into the pocket and use it again, and it doesn't have to be carefully folded before use. I keep spares in another pocket, and also in my saddlebag. ------------------------ Back in the eighties, I went on a tour with three other people. My handlebar bag happened to neatly fit a "boutique" box of tissues. Every now and again one of the other riders would ride past me and grab. I don't recall how I reconciled keeping the handkerchiefs available and reading my map. -- Joy Beeson joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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On 2018-07-18 18:52, Radey Shouman wrote:
Joerg writes: On 2018-07-18 09:03, Radey Shouman wrote: Duane writes: On 17/07/2018 6:46 PM, Joerg wrote: In the US we have a much nastier habit among weight weenie cyclists who probably find the weight of a paper tissue unbearable. So they don't carry any. When the nose gets plugged they press a finger against one side and let off a "snot rocket", then against the other for missile #2. I was almost hit by one when pulling out to pass a cyclist. It's disgusting. Yes, I'm sure it's the weight of the tissue that prevents these cyclists from using them. Maybe it's some guy coming up behind them with the tunes blaring and the bright headlight that invokes this behavior... I would much rather see the occasional tiny blob of snot on the road instead of blowing tissues. How and from where does one fish a dry tissue when riding along? Think of the trees, for God's sake. I get mine out of a wonderful invention from of old: A pocket. Seriously? They don't get all damp and sweaty and ground into pieces? Pockets work for old fashioned handkerchiefs, not so much for tissues, in my experience. This is where outside pockets shine. Essentially like pockets-on-pockets. Now during the hot summer months I ride in cargo shorts which have those on the legs above the regular large leg pockets. The large pocket themselves I leave almost empty but I carry an extra two folded Kleenex in one of them. Wouldn't matter if that shredded but that area doesn't sweat through at all. Those Kleenex have come in very handy for other riders after they fixed a chain-suck or whatever and now stood there with oil stains on their hands. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 7/18/2018 4:37 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-07-18 14:18, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 7/18/2018 12:54 PM, sms wrote: On 7/18/2018 9:00 AM, Radey Shouman wrote: sms writes: I think the most ridiculous statement was that the bicycle paths all have a parking lot at each end. The ones around here sure don't. There are parking lots nearby some of the access points, in corporate locations, shopping areas, parks, and condo or apartment complexes, but these were not added for people to drive to the trail and park. The one I know of that does have parking lots along the way specifically for trail users is Sawyer Camp trail, though the parking lots are not at both ends, the northern end of the trail has no parking lot, though there is street parking close by. Different worlds, I guess.Â* Where to put the parking lots is a major bone of contention for any proposed MUP around here.Â* Nothing freezes the cockles of a New Englander's heart like thinking that someone, somewhere is parking at his expense, or that good for nothing bike-rack toting cars might clog up his business lot to no commercial purpose. One of our favorite rides is to start in Seaside, CA and ride to Carmel. Part of the route is on a very popular MUP, which is mostly used by cyclists except for the part that goes through the Fisherman's Wharf area of Monterey. We do drive there. There is no parking lot for the trail in Seaside, but there is plenty of street parking near most of the access points, and the shopping center not far from the beginning doesn't seem to mind if you park in the more remote sections of the lot. Even the popular Sawyer Camp Trail in San Mateo doesn't really have a parking lot that you drive into, they just carved out some limited street parking on the shoulders of Skyline Boulevard and Crystal Springs Road. It's a very popular area with not nearly enough parking. https://goo.gl/maps/6xn95KHvx6y. The salient point is not that there is a specially constructed parking lot at each end. Obviously, in some areas they may not have room to dedicate to a parking lot, so users park on the streets. The salient point is that the typical trail users (really, almost ALL trail users in almost all areas) use a car to haul their bike to the trail. Not in Folsom, Rancho Cordova, Davis, et cetera. Why? Because they have bike infrastructure connection neighborhood, shopping areas and work places to the trail. In many other places your statement is true. Why? Because there is no bike infrastructure connecting to the trail and almost all cyclists hate to ride in the lane. We have mixed commuters which use car - bike or car - light rail - bike. Most use the car because it's eitehr to far or there is a lack of bike infrastructure. Frank extrapolates his experience in Youngstown Ohio onto the rest of the country. This naturally leads to a mis-statement of reality. All he really had to say was "really, almost ALL trail users in MY area) use a car to haul their bike to the trail. Though we really don't know if even that is true either. What IS actually true is that many mountain bikers haul their bikes to trail heads for mountain biking. But for multi-use trails, like most of the creek trails around here, that is not the case. |
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On 7/19/2018 12:27 PM, sms wrote:
On 7/18/2018 4:37 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-07-18 14:18, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 7/18/2018 12:54 PM, sms wrote: On 7/18/2018 9:00 AM, Radey Shouman wrote: sms writes: I think the most ridiculous statement was that the bicycle paths all have a parking lot at each end. The ones around here sure don't. There are parking lots nearby some of the access points, in corporate locations, shopping areas, parks, and condo or apartment complexes, but these were not added for people to drive to the trail and park. The one I know of that does have parking lots along the way specifically for trail users is Sawyer Camp trail, though the parking lots are not at both ends, the northern end of the trail has no parking lot, though there is street parking close by. Different worlds, I guess. Where to put the parking lots is a major bone of contention for any proposed MUP around here. Nothing freezes the cockles of a New Englander's heart like thinking that someone, somewhere is parking at his expense, or that good for nothing bike-rack toting cars might clog up his business lot to no commercial purpose. One of our favorite rides is to start in Seaside, CA and ride to Carmel. Part of the route is on a very popular MUP, which is mostly used by cyclists except for the part that goes through the Fisherman's Wharf area of Monterey. We do drive there. There is no parking lot for the trail in Seaside, but there is plenty of street parking near most of the access points, and the shopping center not far from the beginning doesn't seem to mind if you park in the more remote sections of the lot. Even the popular Sawyer Camp Trail in San Mateo doesn't really have a parking lot that you drive into, they just carved out some limited street parking on the shoulders of Skyline Boulevard and Crystal Springs Road. It's a very popular area with not nearly enough parking. https://goo.gl/maps/6xn95KHvx6y. The salient point is not that there is a specially constructed parking lot at each end. Obviously, in some areas they may not have room to dedicate to a parking lot, so users park on the streets. The salient point is that the typical trail users (really, almost ALL trail users in almost all areas) use a car to haul their bike to the trail. Not in Folsom, Rancho Cordova, Davis, et cetera. Why? Because they have bike infrastructure connection neighborhood, shopping areas and work places to the trail. In many other places your statement is true. Why? Because there is no bike infrastructure connecting to the trail and almost all cyclists hate to ride in the lane. We have mixed commuters which use car - bike or car - light rail - bike. Most use the car because it's eitehr to far or there is a lack of bike infrastructure. Frank extrapolates his experience in Youngstown Ohio onto the rest of the country. This naturally leads to a mis-statement of reality. All he really had to say was "really, almost ALL trail users in MY area) use a car to haul their bike to the trail. Though we really don't know if even that is true either. What IS actually true is that many mountain bikers haul their bikes to trail heads for mountain biking. But for multi-use trails, like most of the creek trails around here, that is not the case. Frank's near Columbus, not at all like THOSE people up in Youngstown. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 7/19/2018 1:27 PM, sms wrote:
On 7/18/2018 4:37 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-07-18 14:18, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 7/18/2018 12:54 PM, sms wrote: On 7/18/2018 9:00 AM, Radey Shouman wrote: sms writes: I think the most ridiculous statement was that the bicycle paths all have a parking lot at each end. The ones around here sure don't. There are parking lots nearby some of the access points, in corporate locations, shopping areas, parks, and condo or apartment complexes, but these were not added for people to drive to the trail and park. The one I know of that does have parking lots along the way specifically for trail users is Sawyer Camp trail, though the parking lots are not at both ends, the northern end of the trail has no parking lot, though there is street parking close by. Different worlds, I guess.Â* Where to put the parking lots is a major bone of contention for any proposed MUP around here.Â* Nothing freezes the cockles of a New Englander's heart like thinking that someone, somewhere is parking at his expense, or that good for nothing bike-rack toting cars might clog up his business lot to no commercial purpose. One of our favorite rides is to start in Seaside, CA and ride to Carmel. Part of the route is on a very popular MUP, which is mostly used by cyclists except for the part that goes through the Fisherman's Wharf area of Monterey. We do drive there. There is no parking lot for the trail in Seaside, but there is plenty of street parking near most of the access points, and the shopping center not far from the beginning doesn't seem to mind if you park in the more remote sections of the lot. Even the popular Sawyer Camp Trail in San Mateo doesn't really have a parking lot that you drive into, they just carved out some limited street parking on the shoulders of Skyline Boulevard and Crystal Springs Road. It's a very popular area with not nearly enough parking. https://goo.gl/maps/6xn95KHvx6y. The salient point is not that there is a specially constructed parking lot at each end. Obviously, in some areas they may not have room to dedicate to a parking lot, so users park on the streets. The salient point is that the typical trail users (really, almost ALL trail users in almost all areas) use a car to haul their bike to the trail. Not in Folsom, Rancho Cordova, Davis, et cetera. Why? Because they have bike infrastructure connection neighborhood, shopping areas and work places to the trail. In many other places your statement is true. Why? Because there is no bike infrastructure connecting to the trail and almost all cyclists hate to ride in the lane. We have mixed commuters which use car - bike or car - light rail - bike. Most use the car because it's eitehr to far or there is a lack of bike infrastructure. Frank extrapolates his experience in Youngstown Ohio onto the rest of the country. This naturally leads to a mis-statement of reality. As I explained, I've ridden in 47 U.S. states and about a dozen other countries. I didn't ride trails in all those, but I've ridden many trails in many places. My opinions are derived from _all_ those experiences. As also explained, I was on the team that evaluated all statewide funding requests for such trails in one year. I saw applications from all across Ohio, not just my area. This was one example: A park in one township applied to put a trail across the center of a small lake or large pond in that park. The pond already had a trail around its circumference, but they thought it would be nice to have one along a diameter. In their mind, this was "transportation." (It didn't get funded.) Another example was a proposed sidepath leading into a small park not far from a village center. The park had an entrance road. The entrance road carried (IIRC) only about 800 cars per day, at 25 mph. But they felt that was too many for the comfort of anyone on a bike, so they wanted a separate path. They called that a transportation project. All he really had to say was "really, almost ALL trail users in MY area) use a car to haul their bike to the trail. Though we really don't know if even that is true either. Here's a link to survey data from 20 trails in Pennsylvania and New Jersey: https://www.railstotrails.org/resour...in al_Rev.pdf "Purpose of Trail Use: Health 56% Recreation 38% Training 3% Other 2% Commuting 1%" -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Frank Krygowski writes:
On 7/19/2018 2:13 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 11:08:23 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 7/18/2018 12:15 PM, jbeattie wrote: I spit on tiny clown pumps -- no, I mean it. Sometimes the pump-handle/piston needs lubrication. I prefer the hose models, but all of them are a PITA and require about 200 strokes to get a tire up to pressure. I also carry CO2 cartridges and used both the pump and the cartridges last weekend due to a flat-fest with my son. I buy cheap cartridges in bulk from Amazon. Yes, the environmental impact of steel cartridges is bad . . . but they're so convenient! I scoffed at them until I started using them, but I would not go with CO2 alone. I always carry a pump. A couple years ago, after some health problems, I went on a club ride that was nearly too much for me. It was very hot, and I think my recent bronchitis was still constricting my breathing. I was fighting to keep up. As we were climbing on one of the more remote roads around here, one guy flatted. Normally I'm one of the chief flat fixers, but I lay my bike down, then lay myself down on its downhill side and propped my feet up on the handlebars, trying to get some strength back. Lucky for me, the repair was a disaster. They put in one spare tube, but it was leaking badly. They put another tube in and tried inflating it with CO2. The CO2 fitting somehow misfired. They wasted another CO2... and so on. I finally got up and gave them my full-size Zefal pump, the only inflating device I ever carry. (Except on the folding bike, where I have a mini pump stashed.) They succeeded with the Zefal. And I had recovered enough that I was OK the rest of the ride, and perfect after a Dairy Queen stop for a bunch of Mountain Dew. I think if I were to carry anything else on the bike, it would be Mountain Dew. -- - Frank Krygowski My experience is just the opposite. A common mistake people make with CO2 cartridges is that the fill their tire in one blow. The valve will freeze if there is some humidity in the air. Better is to fill your tire in 3 or 4 blows and wait a couple of seconds in between. people should have paid attention during science class ;-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_process I know about adiabatic processes, and it's obvious the temperature of the expanding CO2 will drop. But I have no personal experience with CO2 tire inflaters. Are you saying the inside of the valve freezes? Can you explain how that happens? It seems to me the CO2 being injected must be dry, and the tube is essentially empty of air. I'd think if ice formed, it would be on the outside of the valve where it doesn't matter. It is possible to produce dry ice by expansion of liquid CO2 to atmospheric pressure. There are commercially available devices to do this, eg SnowPack. I'm not sure how likely it is to happen by accident when inflating tires, but it is conceivable. |
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On 7/19/2018 4:07 PM, Duane wrote:
snip Strange but I’ve noticed a lot of road bike commuters here the last couple of days. Maybe it’s the TDF or maybe it’s the less humid temps. We have a couple new bike paths in the area and they’re smooth, wide and well designed. Amazing. Seem to be getting used... Perhaps they opened some new parking lots for those bike paths. That has got to be it. As we recently learned "almost ALL trail users in almost all areas use a car to haul their bike to the trail." LOL. Usenet is always amusing. |
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