Rich is exposed!

Joao wrote:
Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic wrote:

No one has proven that Ed Gin was the AUTHOR of the "Johnny NoCom"
posts, so this should not be stated as accepted fact.

In about 40,000 messages posted to this group:

- Everyone's headers are a 0% to 5% match with the trolls', except for
Ed's messages which are a 95% to 100% match

- When Ed changed from Earthlink/Mindspring dial-up to Prodigy/Yahoo/SBC
DSL, the trolls changed from Earthlink/Mindspring dial-up to
Prodigy/Yahoo/SBC DSL.

- Both Ed and the trolls post not only from the same city, but also from
the same neighborhood. The IP address of the computer may be dynamic,
but the IP address of the router is static.

- The trolls and Ed have all the same obsessions

- Sometimes the trolls sign off with each other's names, and sometimes
the trolls sign off as Ed Gin.

- Right after I pointed some of these things out, the trolls, and
sometimes Ed, started posting from an anonymous account with Newsfeeds.com.

You mentioned that its not proven that he's "the AUTHOR". So are you
suggesting that maybe someone keeps breaking into his home to post crap
online from his computer while he sleeps?

Hey look! Occam just sliced his own throat with his razor!

Proving the posts came from a certain computer proves nothing about who
actually typed the messages on the keyboard. Logic 101.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
"Twisting may help if yawl can chew gum and walk." - G. Daniels

wrote:
Hello Rich. Thanks for the response. It clears this issue up for me.
The one thing I that I feel separates the recumbent crowd from the
upright crowd is (or was) their acceptance and enthusiasm for ALL types
of bikes and trikes. Surely, we all have strong preferences!...

Does it clear things up? What about those who felt the need to
denigrate lowracers with scare tactics in order to promote highracers?

It often does not matter which side is right and which side is wrong,
but instead who has the better means and resources to promote their
side.

I stand by my original post in this thread. There are no perfect saints
here.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
"Twisting may help if yawl can chew gum and walk." - G. Daniels

wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello Rich. Thanks for the response. It clears this issue up for me.
The one thing I that I feel separates the recumbent crowd from the
upright crowd is (or was) their acceptance and enthusiasm for ALL types
of bikes and trikes. Surely, we all have strong preferences! Mine
will probably always be LWB low BB bikes! Yet I also enjoy riding my
Strada fast! And your aluminum Corsa looks like one hell of a bike for
the bucks! My friend has an ICE Trike. Too low for me for suburban
riding but an awesome machine! The NoCom looks fabulous! I'd love to
try one at the Velodrome in Trexlertown, PA but I don't think I would
be comfortable on the street. I have seen the MARS guys at the Seagul
Century with their homegrown fully enclosed speed machines! Last year
I rode a 10 year old Ryan Vanguard for the first time. Certainly not a
speed machine but I loved it! And I could go on. But enough.

Jim Reilly

Hmmm, there are guys in Chicago who ride their Nocoms on the road every day,
but they probably have CF balls. I heard that Pinto's buddy and Bacchetta
supporter and west coast killer bee sold his tinotsoaero and races a Nocom
now because it's several miles per hour faster than the expensive and flexy
ti pole bike. So ride what you like.

I think some of the history between the monkeys and Bacchetta comes from the
failed attempt be a pace line of pole bikes to actually catch and or pass a
lone rider on a tailfaired carbon fibre lowracer, not even a NoCom, in the
hills of Wisconsin a few years ago and the pole bike guys are still ****ed
that a lowracer kicked their sorry asses. But that's OK because racers
aren't Bacchetta's customer base. And then there's Richy Pinto. Look out
Tom, Richy's mad at you because you're a lot smarter than he is and he has
to fall back on his small minded and vindictive arrogance to lash out at
anyone who knows what a putz he is. Go Johnny NoCom, Go!





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Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic wrote:

Proving the posts came from a certain computer proves nothing about who
actually typed the messages on the keyboard. Logic 101.

Okay, gives us your theory then. How come there are thousands of posts,
many posted in the middle of the night (2, 3, 4, 5 am), all of them not
only coming from Ed's computer but also from his home, all trolling
about subjects that Ed feels very strongly about, going on for several
years now, and he is not involved. Please do give us any remotely
plausible explanation other than he is the one posting them.

Heck, even in criminal court you need to be able to raise "REASONABLE
doubt", and this ain't no court. Where is the reasonable doubt in this
here? That fact that several of Ed's aliases keep posting from Ed's
home computer saying that Ed isn't the troll?

If you're in a small room with someone else, and ann all of a sudden you
smell a fart, Do you need a DNA analysis in order to confim who did it?

And I guess you missed my reference to Occam's Razor?

Joao "does anyone smell a duck?" de Souza

Mr Reality (Rich Pinto) wrote:
...
Over and out on this one...

Mr. Pinto:

Before you leave, please support your contention that Ed Gin is a
"pathological liar". When such an accusation is made, the group
(alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent) deserves to hear the evidence.

Thank you,
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Joao wrote:
Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic wrote:

Proving the posts came from a certain computer proves nothing about who
actually typed the messages on the keyboard. Logic 101.

Okay, gives us your theory then. How come there are thousands of posts,
many posted in the middle of the night (2, 3, 4, 5 am), all of them not
only coming from Ed's computer but also from his home, all trolling
about subjects that Ed feels very strongly about, going on for several
years now, and he is not involved. Please do give us any remotely
plausible explanation other than he is the one posting them.

Heck, even in criminal court you need to be able to raise "REASONABLE
doubt", and this ain't no court. Where is the reasonable doubt in this
here? That fact that several of Ed's aliases keep posting from Ed's
home computer saying that Ed isn't the troll?...

The burden of proof is on the accuser - or do you believe in guilty
until proven innocent?

Who is to say that Ed Gin did not let people hang out in his basement
and use his computer? Not everyone sleeps at the same time. And has Ed
Gin ever denied knowing who "Johnny NoCom" is?

Of course, one does not even have to be physically present at the
sending computer to be the author of a post. For all we know based on
Joao de Sousa's evidence, Mayor Richard M. Daley could be "Johnny
NoCom".

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
"Twisting may help if yawl can chew gum and walk." - G. Daniels

Rich,

I really do not understand why you respond at all to these people.
I was the one who dared to bring that first highracer to Monkey
Island. I got beat by Alan on his lowracer with a tail box and every
Aero trick in the book. The rest of the guys including the great rider
Gary Toy got there butts handed to them by me on an Aerocycle designed
by Mr. Pinto.
This was the start of all this stuff back in '02.
Yet as a peace offering I talked the Bacchetta folks to come to Monkey
Island in the spring of last year for a ride. That event had the
largest turnout of midwest recumbent people in that groups history. I
have many photo's of how well everyone got along yet somehow a few
folks decided to keep attacking Bacchetta. It became to much for me so
I quit the team and now ride DF bike's almost exclusively and I think
that recumbent people are near insane at least a few from Chicago.
And the notion of blaming Rich Pinto and Bacchetta for the state of
things is total bull****. I was there and saw what happened and was a
part of it.
I tried my best to put an end to these hostilities but in the End gave
up and moved on to more productive things in Life.
Rich is in the Bike Biz and I am not so walking away for me was the
best option.
Great to hear from a lot of you...

Magilla Gorilla

wrote:
Rich,

I really do not understand why you respond at all to these people.

I was wondering the same myself. Mr. Pinto has nothing to gain, and
much to lose by doing so. These battles are best left to those who
enjoy engaging in such activities for recreational purposes.

I was the one who dared to bring that first highracer to Monkey
Island. I got beat by Alan on his lowracer with a tail box and every
Aero trick in the book. The rest of the guys including the great rider
Gary Toy got there butts handed to them by me on an Aerocycle designed
by Mr. Pinto.
This was the start of all this stuff back in '02.
Yet as a peace offering I talked the Bacchetta folks to come to Monkey
Island in the spring of last year for a ride. That event had the
largest turnout of midwest recumbent people in that groups history. I
have many photo's of how well everyone got along yet somehow a few
folks decided to keep attacking Bacchetta. It became to much for me so
I quit the team and now ride DF bike's almost exclusively and I think
that recumbent people are near insane at least a few from Chicago.
And the notion of blaming Rich Pinto and Bacchetta for the state of
things is total bull****. I was there and saw what happened and was a
part of it.
I tried my best to put an end to these hostilities but in the End gave
up and moved on to more productive things in Life.

No one will ever be able to prove what happed in these encounters,
since all is based on hearsay. So let us stick with what is in
evidence, postings to the Internet. While all the "poo flinging" by
certain lowracer residents of "Monkey Island" gets the attention, I
will reiterate what I said before, this is not a clear cut "saints
versus sinners" situation.

If I were in the market for a highracer, should I let the fact that
several "Killer B's" have accused me of lying, attempted to twist my
statements into something I did not say, and directed personal attacks
at me when they could not refute my argument, influence which bicycle I
purchased? I would like to hear Mr. Pinto's take on this.

Rich is in the Bike Biz and I am not so walking away for me was the
best option....

Your engaging in flame wars was entertaining, but I doubt it helped
sell many bicycles for Bacchetta.

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

'Sunset Lowracer [TM Wrote:
Fanatic']Mr Reality (Rich Pinto) wrote:
...
Over and out on this one...

Mr. Pinto:

Before you leave, please support your contention that Ed Gin is a
"pathological liar". When such an accusation is made, the group
(alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent) deserves to hear the evidence.

Thank you,
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
If your man is telling the truth why then does he need sock
puppets?Maybe I'm not the only one on ARBR who would like to hear your
response to that one.


--
nget

"nget" wrote in message
...

'Sunset Lowracer [TM Wrote:
Fanatic']Mr Reality (Rich Pinto) wrote:
...
Over and out on this one...

Mr. Pinto:

Before you leave, please support your contention that Ed Gin is a
"pathological liar". When such an accusation is made, the group
(alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent) deserves to hear the evidence.

Thank you,
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
If your man is telling the truth why then does he need sock
puppets?Maybe I'm not the only one on ARBR who would like to hear your
response to that one.

nget

Tom Sherman is hopeless on the subject of Ed Gin. Gin is a friend of his
(did they once ride bikes together?) and he is loyal if nothing else. The
evidence is there for all to see except the determinedly deaf and blind like
Sherman. Joao DE Souza , among others, has shown where it all comes from. No
amount of sophistry can get around the evidence.

You have to take Sherman warts and all. He is OK on most recumbent bike
subjects but he is just plain crazy on most other subjects. Hells Bells, he
even has very questionable taste in classical music if you ask me. He
actually listens to baroque musak! He thinks music began with Bach and
Handel when every sensible person knows it began with Haydn and Mozart.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota