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Old December 12th 03, 06:12 PM
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In rec.bicycles.soc RJ wrote:
: Brent P wrote:

: I am not the average american consumer.

: But earlier in the thread you were effectively claiming your experience
: as some kind of immutable and universal truth.

Ahem, that wouldn't equate being "the average american consumer"
in any case

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Old December 12th 03, 06:20 PM
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Dr Engelbert Buxbaum wrote:

Jim Yanik wrote:



Doesn't "kcalories" mean KILOcalories? So,1700 kcal would be 1,700,000
calories;that would be SOME meal from Taco Bell.And cost a lot more than
$4.50 USD.



Especially in the US, calory is often used where kilocalory is meant.
This can be very confusing. Use standard units (Joule) instead.


When the energy of food is being discussed, the 'calories' are always
actually kilocalories. Sometimes these are distinuguished by
capitalization; i.e. 1 Calorie = 1000 calories = 1 kilocalorie.

To explain: 1 cal is the energy required to heat 1 l of water by 1
degree Celsius, and is equivalent to 4.18 J (N*m).


No, one calorie was the energy required to heat 1 *ml* (actually 1 gram) of
water by 1 deg. C but is now defined in terms of Joules as stated.

That is a very small
amount of energy. An average male needs about 12,000 kJ/d (about 2900
kcal), a female 8800 kJ/d (2100 kcal). A large meal provides about
1500-2000 kJ (350-500 kcal).


Your definition of a 'large meal' apparently differs from mine. A single
Burger King Whopper hamburger has more kcals than that and I wouldn't
consider it to be a large meal by itself.

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Old December 12th 03, 07:03 PM
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In rec.bicycles.soc Max wrote:

: ...and the number one reason not to cyclecommute ...

: 1. You Can't Live Next To The Walmart!

You got that reversed: Marts are everywhere, but it's still better
to live 20 miles away and drive it.


Planners want you to live OVER Wal-Mart.


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Old December 12th 03, 07:12 PM
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wrote:
In rec.bicycles.soc Max wrote:

: ...and the number one reason not to cyclecommute ...

: 1. You Can't Live Next To The Walmart!

You got that reversed: Marts are everywhere, but it's still better
to live 20 miles away and drive it.


#1 reason to cyclecommute:

You never shop at Walmart.

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Old December 13th 03, 01:01 AM
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....stuff deleted
Depends. In a lot of areas, the use of a gun to convince someone to
leave your property is within your rights. Actually firing it at
them, probably not.


Actually, certainly not, at least in urban areas. The laws of the land are
very harsh on those who try to protect their property (or themselves) if the
"victim" is outside the residence. That sort of takes the teeth out of the
threat of using the weapon (at least for those who are willing to challenge
the property owner). Sadly, those who are willing to trespass are just the
kinds of folks who will challenge the property owner.

Rick


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Old December 13th 03, 01:59 AM
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"Clark F. Morris, Jr." wrote in message ...
George Conklin wrote:
"Clark F. Morris, Jr." wrote in message
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George Conklin wrote:

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The Sierra Club does not like people using backcountry areas. They
support animals, not human animals.



As one human living in the country, I don't want ATV's and motorcycles
fouling my water supply and eroding my land. These comments are based
on viewing the results of use on my land.



No one can use your land without your permission. So why did you give
permission?


Backwoods motorcycling is not

benign. Both motorcycles and ATV's can mess up agricultural land.
Hikers normally aren't that much of a problem.



Even hikers don't use your land unless you want them to.



If there is any large amount of land, unless you post it and probably
fence it people will trespass or otherwise use it without permission.
This is aggravated by laws in some provinces (such as Nova Scotia) and
states for access to streams and bodies of water to the general public
for fishing. The trespass problem is also aggravated by unwillingness
to enforce trespass laws in many jurisdictions. Fences don't always
work because some people will view them as impediments to be breached.
Just ask any railroad or highway department.


OK then, how about fences with tons of barb wire. The spiral razor
sharp type used in maximum security prisons. That will prevent
tresspassing. Also those signs with a picture of a shot gun stating
that tresspassers will be shot.
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Old December 13th 03, 03:44 PM
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Eastward Bound wrote:
"Clark F. Morris, Jr." wrote in message ...

George Conklin wrote:

"Clark F. Morris, Jr." wrote in message
...


George Conklin wrote:

snip

The Sierra Club does not like people using backcountry areas. They
support animals, not human animals.



As one human living in the country, I don't want ATV's and motorcycles
fouling my water supply and eroding my land. These comments are based
on viewing the results of use on my land.


No one can use your land without your permission. So why did you give
permission?


Backwoods motorcycling is not


benign. Both motorcycles and ATV's can mess up agricultural land.
Hikers normally aren't that much of a problem.



Even hikers don't use your land unless you want them to.



If there is any large amount of land, unless you post it and probably
fence it people will trespass or otherwise use it without permission.
This is aggravated by laws in some provinces (such as Nova Scotia) and
states for access to streams and bodies of water to the general public
for fishing. The trespass problem is also aggravated by unwillingness
to enforce trespass laws in many jurisdictions. Fences don't always
work because some people will view them as impediments to be breached.
Just ask any railroad or highway department.



OK then, how about fences with tons of barb wire. The spiral razor
sharp type used in maximum security prisons. That will prevent
tresspassing. Also those signs with a picture of a shot gun stating
that tresspassers will be shot.

What are the legal liabilities if someone gets hurt on the razor wire?
A picture of a shotgun with a sign saying that trespassers will be shot
would get me a warning visit from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police
saying any carrying out of the threat would be dealt with severely.
Also what is to prevent people from cutting the razor wire (or barbed
wire)? Check the ethos of your jurisdiction. The values differ widely
around both countries.

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Old December 14th 03, 06:40 AM
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:01:53 GMT, "Rick" wrote:

...stuff deleted
Depends. In a lot of areas, the use of a gun to convince someone to
leave your property is within your rights. Actually firing it at
them, probably not.


Actually, certainly not, at least in urban areas. The laws of the land are
very harsh on those who try to protect their property (or themselves) if the
"victim" is outside the residence. That sort of takes the teeth out of the
threat of using the weapon (at least for those who are willing to challenge
the property owner). Sadly, those who are willing to trespass are just the
kinds of folks who will challenge the property owner.


Obviously it depends on where you are.

However...

The person was talking about people driving vehicles on their farm.
There are no farms in urban areas. That is why they are called urban.

Second, even in an urban area, if you are a licensed gun owner, and
you brandish your weapon for the right reason, no cop is going to say
****. For example, if you are in a city like Chicago, but for
argument's sake, let us assume some asshole liberal like daly isn't in
charge, and hasn't violated your federal right to own a fire arm - I
know, big assumption - then you show your weapon to a criminal who is
threatening your family. You don't point it at them, you don't shoot
them, you just happen to let them see that you are fully capable of
ending their life if they **** with you.

There are few Chicago cops who would do anything, even though the
aforementioned asshole liberal has outlawed all self protection
devices in Chicago.
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Old December 14th 03, 07:01 AM
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In article , DTJ wrote:

There are few Chicago cops who would do anything, even though the
aforementioned asshole liberal has outlawed all self protection
devices in Chicago.


At best, the citizen will lose his firearm. I still remember a story
that was eclipsed by a school shooting elsewhere in the country. It
was of a 78 year old man who could barely walk. Some thug broke into
his home intent on theft and harming him. He pulled out what the news
reported as an antique revolver, my guess is that ment from the first
half of the 20th century. Anyway, he killed the intruder. Charges
were not likely to be pressed according to the report. But he did
lose his gun and was booked if I remember right.

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Old December 14th 03, 04:52 PM
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"Clark F. Morris, Jr." wrote in message
...
Eastward Bound wrote:
"Clark F. Morris, Jr." wrote in message

...

George Conklin wrote:

"Clark F. Morris, Jr." wrote in message
...


George Conklin wrote:

snip

The Sierra Club does not like people using backcountry areas. They
support animals, not human animals.



As one human living in the country, I don't want ATV's and motorcycles
fouling my water supply and eroding my land. These comments are based
on viewing the results of use on my land.


No one can use your land without your permission. So why did you

give
permission?


Backwoods motorcycling is not


benign. Both motorcycles and ATV's can mess up agricultural land.
Hikers normally aren't that much of a problem.



Even hikers don't use your land unless you want them to.



If there is any large amount of land, unless you post it and probably
fence it people will trespass or otherwise use it without permission.
This is aggravated by laws in some provinces (such as Nova Scotia) and
states for access to streams and bodies of water to the general public
for fishing. The trespass problem is also aggravated by unwillingness
to enforce trespass laws in many jurisdictions. Fences don't always
work because some people will view them as impediments to be breached.
Just ask any railroad or highway department.



OK then, how about fences with tons of barb wire. The spiral razor
sharp type used in maximum security prisons. That will prevent
tresspassing. Also those signs with a picture of a shot gun stating
that tresspassers will be shot.

What are the legal liabilities if someone gets hurt on the razor wire?
A picture of a shotgun with a sign saying that trespassers will be shot
would get me a warning visit from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police
saying any carrying out of the threat would be dealt with severely.
Also what is to prevent people from cutting the razor wire (or barbed
wire)? Check the ethos of your jurisdiction. The values differ widely
around both countries.

Mantraps are illegal. You can use deadly force to defend private
property only in Texas.


 




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