Divorce Your Car --and get into a relationship with a Bike!

Mark Hickey wrote:
Kevan Smith wrote:

"Bill Sornson" wrote:
Kevan Smith wrote:

You haven't even seen "An Inconvenient Truth," have you?

REAL scientists give it high marks:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=299

Other REALLY real scientists say it's complete bunk.

Find me just one scientist who actually used the exact term "complete
bunk" about it. Good luck.

OK, they didn't use the term "complete bunk"... but...

"Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James
Cook University, in Australia gives what, for many Canadians, is a
surprising assessment: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so
weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they,
and his film, are commanding public attention.""

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

The article goes on from there and lists in great detail the logical
problems with the Gore fantasy film.

Yeahbut... "So weak they're pathetic" isn't /exactly/ "complete bunk",
Mark. C'mon, man, Kevan was QUITE specific!

(Thanks for the link ;-) )

"Mark Hickey" wrote in message
...
Kevan Smith wrote:

"Bill Sornson" wrote:
Kevan Smith wrote:

You haven't even seen "An Inconvenient Truth," have you?

REAL scientists give it high marks:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=299

Other REALLY real scientists say it's complete bunk.

Find me just one scientist who actually used the exact term "complete
bunk" about it. Good luck.

OK, they didn't use the term "complete bunk"... but...

"Professor Bob Carter of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James
Cook University, in Australia gives what, for many Canadians, is a
surprising assessment: "Gore's circumstantial arguments are so
weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they,
and his film, are commanding public attention.""

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm

The article goes on from there and lists in great detail the logical
problems with the Gore fantasy film.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

Well, in the 10,000 year frame of reference, Al Gore is right. But now?
Why not. But it is a fantasy film.

"donquijote1954" wrote in message
ups.com...

George Conklin wrote:
Sojourner

None of this stops the process which has been going on since the last
ice
age. Are you going to deny that too? Are you just another version of
those
who deny human evolution too?

You are the one denying evolution by denying this wasteful nation the
need to evolve toward smarter more efficient modes of transportation
such as the bike.

You are a secular eschatologist too. But that does not change long-term
cycles of climate which have been affecting the earth for as far back as can
be measured.

Kevan Smith wrote:
In article ,
"George Conklin" wrote:

Real scientists have always known that the last ice age, which ended just
10,000 years ago, was not caused by human activity, and that warming has
been continuing. It may be inconvenient to you, but it has been going on
for 10,000 years and is not expected to stop for at least another 10,000
years. This is OLD knowledge.

Here's something from the American Institute of Physics:

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.html


Really fascinating reference.

Thanks.

On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:06:37 GMT, "George Conklin"
wrote:


"donquijote1954" wrote in message
oups.com...

George Conklin wrote:
Sojourner

None of this stops the process which has been going on since the last
ice
age. Are you going to deny that too? Are you just another version of
those
who deny human evolution too?

You are the one denying evolution by denying this wasteful nation the
need to evolve toward smarter more efficient modes of transportation
such as the bike.

You are a secular eschatologist too. But that does not change long-term
cycles of climate which have been affecting the earth for as far back as can
be measured.


Everyone knows that there are historical cycles. Many of those would
wreak havoc on our civilization, but that isn't the issue right now.
What is important is whether human activity is causing changes that
are supplementing the standard cycles in a way which is very bad for
us. Most scientists, particularly those no on the Exxon payroll,
believe that this is the case. That is not good news for the long term
survival of humans.

One would think that the possibility of the end of the human race
would be cause for concern.

In article t,
"George Conklin" wrote:

"donquijote1954" wrote in message
ups.com...

George Conklin wrote:
Sojourner

None of this stops the process which has been going on since the
last ice age. Are you going to deny that too? Are you just
another version of those who deny human evolution too?

You are the one denying evolution by denying this wasteful nation
the need to evolve toward smarter more efficient modes of
transportation such as the bike.

You are a secular eschatologist too. But that does not change
long-term cycles of climate which have been affecting the earth for
as far back as can be measured.

There have been climatic cycles. But what has been seen in the past 50
years is unprecedented based on the available very good data from the
fossil records, tree growth patterns, etc. At this point it is only
Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and a few other ou-on-the-limb folks that
are holding out against human activity as a contributor (and thus
something that can be changed) to the current global warming.

dgk wrote:
One would think that the possibility of the end of the human race
would be cause for concern.

I believe that if we could only restrain the predators among us, we'd
have a fair chance of survival for centuries to come.

But who will make the carnivores eat banana? Of course, the Banana
Revolution.

In rec.bicycles.misc donquijote1954 wrote:

I hope you are succesful with you bicycle campaing. I ride at a bicycle
lane (one of the few in south Florida) near my home. Believe it or not
even where there are designated lanes there are problem with cyclist
rights. In my case it's moslty pedestrians sharing the lane. I

I'll take this opportunity to toot my horn again--my air horn, that is,
the kind with the little can of compressed gas. Wonderful for warning
drivers, downright fun for making errant pedestrians jump out of their
shoes. Get one, attach it to your handlebars with a couple of automobile
radiator clamps, and start "warning" those fools. You'll love it.


Bill


__o | For the law to be respected the law must be respectable.
_`\(,_ |
(_)/ (_) | -Frederic Bastiat

"dgk" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:06:37 GMT, "George Conklin"
wrote:


"donquijote1954" wrote in message
roups.com...

George Conklin wrote:
Sojourner

None of this stops the process which has been going on since the
last
ice
age. Are you going to deny that too? Are you just another version of
those
who deny human evolution too?

You are the one denying evolution by denying this wasteful nation the
need to evolve toward smarter more efficient modes of transportation
such as the bike.

You are a secular eschatologist too. But that does not change
long-term
cycles of climate which have been affecting the earth for as far back as
can
be measured.


Everyone knows that there are historical cycles. Many of those would
wreak havoc on our civilization, but that isn't the issue right now.
What is important is whether human activity is causing changes that
are supplementing the standard cycles in a way which is very bad for
us. Most scientists, particularly those no on the Exxon payroll,
believe that this is the case. That is not good news for the long term
survival of humans.

One would think that the possibility of the end of the human race
would be cause for concern.

What drivel. I suggest you get something else to worry about. For the
long short-term, maybe 1,000 years, warming will increase the human
population.

"Tim McNamara" wrote in message
...
In article t,
"George Conklin" wrote:

"donquijote1954" wrote in message
ups.com...

George Conklin wrote:
Sojourner

None of this stops the process which has been going on since the
last ice age. Are you going to deny that too? Are you just
another version of those who deny human evolution too?

You are the one denying evolution by denying this wasteful nation
the need to evolve toward smarter more efficient modes of
transportation such as the bike.

You are a secular eschatologist too. But that does not change
long-term cycles of climate which have been affecting the earth for
as far back as can be measured.

There have been climatic cycles. But what has been seen in the past 50
years is unprecedented based on the available very good data from the
fossil records, tree growth patterns, etc. At this point it is only
Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and a few other ou-on-the-limb folks that
are holding out against human activity as a contributor (and thus
something that can be changed) to the current global warming.

The long-term trend is towards warming since the last ice age. Faster
or slower is the only issue.