Mountain Bikers Are Happy to Ride Amidst Extreme Air Pollution!

On Sep 11, 5:34 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:46:56 -0700, Bruce Jensen
wrote:

On Sep 10, 6:49 pm, Tonk wrote:
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After all the years of vandeman's ridiculous assertions and rants, all
the people that have tried to argue and reason with him all to no avail.

He's playing the Velikovsky game, and he's pretty terrible at it.

-Ikonicus

He has no sense of pragmatism, which works a lot better than stubborn
idealism in the real world. He could win the war, but it might mean
he'd have to give up a battle or two, and in his mind that just
doesn't add up.

Then show me how it's done, sidewalk superintendent. The fact is,
you don't have a clue how to deal successfully with the mountain
biking problem.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

I rest my case.

-BJ

On Sep 11, 5:32 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:25:20 GMT, "JP" wrote:

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in messagenews:j5e9e31kn1jvtg9andfdkuc8knvrro3ush@4ax .com...
Evolution in action! This is a good indication that mountain bikers
are, let's say, a bit SLOW!

http://picasaweb.google.com/valvefac...ay/photo#51083...
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crap snipped
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Possibly the most imaginative and creative use of a typically wasted
oddly-shaped space found in urban environments.
Nowhere near the precious wilderness.
It would seem that everyone wins.

Hmmm. No mention of the MULTI-LANE FREEWAY rigth above them. In
denial? The space is "wasted" because of people like you, who insist
on driving motor vehicles. Or do you BIKE to all of your trails? ...

His comments are completely valid, and you do nada to to counter
them. How do you ever expect to win any converts?

tsk tsk

-BJ

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
...

Then show me how it's done, sidewalk superintendent. The fact is,
you don't have a clue how to deal successfully with the mountain
biking problem.


You see, that's your problem, defining the hypothesis.
There Is No Mountain Biking Problem.

There is Global warming, Slash and burn agriculture,
the changing of the PH of the oceans, Pipelines built on
permafrost that is no longer permafrost, All kinds of Toxic
Residue from Industrial Activities, destruction of tidelands
and estuaries.

The consequences of rotating tires in the wilderness powered
by muscle alone doesn't even make the first thousand on the
environmental problem list, nor the first ten thousand.

The problem doesn't exist. I suppose that makes you irrelevant.

Yawn.

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:48:10 GMT, "Jeff Strickland"
wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
.. .

Hmmm. Not one mention of the MULTI-LANE FREEWAY right above them. In
denial?


You, Michael J. Vandeman, should be heralding this as the proper use of
land, and a good place where mountain bikes ought to be used.

Unlike YOU, I would never recommend that mountain bikers put
themselves in harm's way. Obviously, I care more about them than they
care about THEMSELVES. I have always recommended that bikes be
restricted to pavement.

The impact on
wildlife is virtually nil, if not actually nil. The adverse effects of bike
tires creating erosion are non-existant. Hikers will not be in the area.
Bears are not there. Maybe a few insects, but probably not. No endangered
plants. None of the stuff you have made a lifetime of protecting will be
affected by using the area for bike riding. Bike riders riding on the trails
and obsticles here are not affected by "extreme air polution" any more than
a road bike rider riding in traffic, so the inference is bogus at best, and
outright wrong in the worst case. (There is nothing in the photo album to
indicate any air pollution at all, much less "extreme air pollution," as you
have asserted, the riders do appear to be happy though; that part is not a
lie as much as I think the rest is.)

PS
It's a photo ablum, not a story. There is no mention of anything ...



--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:26:43 -0700, Bruce Jensen
wrote:

On Sep 11, 5:34 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:46:56 -0700, Bruce Jensen
wrote:

On Sep 10, 6:49 pm, Tonk wrote:
snip all

After all the years of vandeman's ridiculous assertions and rants, all
the people that have tried to argue and reason with him all to no avail.

He's playing the Velikovsky game, and he's pretty terrible at it.

-Ikonicus

He has no sense of pragmatism, which works a lot better than stubborn
idealism in the real world. He could win the war, but it might mean
he'd have to give up a battle or two, and in his mind that just
doesn't add up.

Then show me how it's done, sidewalk superintendent. The fact is,
you don't have a clue how to deal successfully with the mountain
biking problem.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

I rest my case.

"Rest" is the critical word here. Thanks for proving my point.

-BJ
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:40:54 GMT, "JP" wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
.. .

Then show me how it's done, sidewalk superintendent. The fact is,
you don't have a clue how to deal successfully with the mountain
biking problem.


You see, that's your problem, defining the hypothesis.
There Is No Mountain Biking Problem.

There is Global warming, Slash and burn agriculture,
the changing of the PH of the oceans, Pipelines built on
permafrost that is no longer permafrost, All kinds of Toxic
Residue from Industrial Activities, destruction of tidelands
and estuaries.

The consequences of rotating tires in the wilderness powered
by muscle alone doesn't even make the first thousand on the
environmental problem list, nor the first ten thousand.

The problem doesn't exist. I suppose that makes you irrelevant.

If that were true, mountain bikers wouldn't be working overtime to
lobby and create bogus "scientific studies" to prove it. Where there's
smoke, there's fire.

Yawn.

--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:28:13 -0700, Bruce Jensen
wrote:

On Sep 11, 5:32 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:25:20 GMT, "JP" wrote:

"Mike Vandeman" wrote in messagenews:j5e9e31kn1jvtg9andfdkuc8knvrro3ush@4ax .com...
Evolution in action! This is a good indication that mountain bikers
are, let's say, a bit SLOW!

http://picasaweb.google.com/valvefac...ay/photo#51083...
--
crap snipped
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Possibly the most imaginative and creative use of a typically wasted
oddly-shaped space found in urban environments.
Nowhere near the precious wilderness.
It would seem that everyone wins.

Hmmm. No mention of the MULTI-LANE FREEWAY rigth above them. In
denial? The space is "wasted" because of people like you, who insist
on driving motor vehicles. Or do you BIKE to all of your trails? ...

His comments are completely valid, and you do nada to to counter
them. How do you ever expect to win any converts?

You, too missed the point? Here it is again, for your convenience:

Hmmm. No mention of the MULTI-LANE FREEWAY rigth above them. In
denial? The space is "wasted" because of people like you, who insist
on driving motor vehicles. Or do you BIKE to all of your trails? ...


tsk tsk

-BJ
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:43:14 GMT, "JP" wrote:


"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:25:20 GMT, "JP" wrote:

Possibly the most imaginative and creative use of a typically wasted
oddly-shaped space found in urban environments.
Nowhere near the precious wilderness.
It would seem that everyone wins.

Hmmm. No mention of the MULTI-LANE FREEWAY rigth above them. In
denial? The space is "wasted" because of people like you, who insist
on driving motor vehicles. Or do you BIKE to all of your trails? ...
--




Don't you see, Mikey? It's you against the world.
I drive to the trailhead. I drive to the store. I drive everywhere.
So does everyone else. Why are there multilaned freeways that
are constantly jammed. Cuz everyone is driving DumHead!!!

So there's a trail under the freeway.
So what? That's not denial. That's use of space.

AGAIN missed the point? Here it is again, for your convenience:

Hmmm. No mention of the MULTI-LANE FREEWAY rigth above them. In
denial? The space is "wasted" because of people like you, who insist
on driving motor vehicles. Or do you BIKE to all of your trails? ...

Face it Vanderschmuck. No one agrees with you.
No one cares about what you are saying.
Not any environmental groups. Not a newsgroup.
Not a politician. Not a voter. Not a citizen. Not the wildlife. Not the
wilderness
You are irrelevant, a lonely pathetic rant.
If we didn't occasionally answer you here
no one would even know you were alive.

Yawn.....


--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

A true fanatic, his tirade against bicycles is mere self gratification.
Winning is not his objective, too messy and full of compromise. Instead, he
firmly believes he's on the side of good, fighting against bad MTBers and
their evil machines.

snip

He has no sense of pragmatism, which works a lot better than stubborn
idealism in the real world. He could win the war, but it might mean
he'd have to give up a battle or two, and in his mind that just
doesn't add up.

snip

On Sep 12, 7:09 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:26:43 -0700, Bruce Jensen
wrote:





On Sep 11, 5:34 pm, Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:46:56 -0700, Bruce Jensen
wrote:

On Sep 10, 6:49 pm, Tonk wrote:
snip all

After all the years of vandeman's ridiculous assertions and rants, all
the people that have tried to argue and reason with him all to no avail.

He's playing the Velikovsky game, and he's pretty terrible at it.

-Ikonicus

He has no sense of pragmatism, which works a lot better than stubborn
idealism in the real world. He could win the war, but it might mean
he'd have to give up a battle or two, and in his mind that just
doesn't add up.

Then show me how it's done, sidewalk superintendent. The fact is,
you don't have a clue how to deal successfully with the mountain
biking problem.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

I rest my case.

"Rest" is the critical word here. Thanks for proving my point.

As usual, your logic is in stunningly fine form. Authoritarian to the
core.