stop all bike paths etc please!!

He's probably referring to the law of unintended consequences...which,
as I notice WRT bicycling, seems to involve increased "policing" of
(i.e., restrictions on) how one may cycle and where, in direct
proportion to official "rights" such as bike paths and sidewalk bike
parks: you can't just hitch your ride to any ol' pole anymore, and you
can't simply cruise on the sidewalk (even though the real speed demons
are usually little kids, who aren't sanctioned!)....



On Nov 16, 7:30 am, "Papa Tom" wrote:
What the HELL are you talking about, my friend?

"ilaboo" wrote in message

news:nv4%i.2040$eV.1824@trndny04...

been biking for over 50 years
12 of them in the mountains of Montana
this is not Portland Oregon--we in the bronx are getting tickets for
walking bikes on sidewalks--bike paths full of pedetrians and
wheelchairs--hot shot bikers covered with advertisements to narccistic to
stop and help bikers---you have to see this to believe it.

we have police here in the bronx who are true sociopaths. Ever wonder why
they empty their guns when they use them?--sit on the benches at City
island and you can hear they learing how to fire weapons--to give them any
power especial;ly over bicycles is outrageous.

no doubt we will ahve to pay a license fee big time--leave things the way
they are!!
just encourage people to bike--fill the streets but do not give the city
any credibility re bikes--i know you think it is better to ahve bike paths
but the reality is it may not be.

peter

Oh. So why didn't he just say that?


"Prisoner at War" wrote in message
...

He's probably referring to the law of unintended consequences...which,
as I notice WRT bicycling, seems to involve increased "policing" of
(i.e., restrictions on) how one may cycle and where, in direct
proportion to official "rights" such as bike paths and sidewalk bike
parks: you can't just hitch your ride to any ol' pole anymore, and you
can't simply cruise on the sidewalk (even though the real speed demons
are usually little kids, who aren't sanctioned!)....



On Nov 16, 7:30 am, "Papa Tom" wrote:
What the HELL are you talking about, my friend?

"ilaboo" wrote in message

news:nv4%i.2040$eV.1824@trndny04...

been biking for over 50 years
12 of them in the mountains of Montana
this is not Portland Oregon--we in the bronx are getting tickets for
walking bikes on sidewalks--bike paths full of pedetrians and
wheelchairs--hot shot bikers covered with advertisements to narccistic
to
stop and help bikers---you have to see this to believe it.

we have police here in the bronx who are true sociopaths. Ever wonder
why
they empty their guns when they use them?--sit on the benches at City
island and you can hear they learing how to fire weapons--to give them
any
power especial;ly over bicycles is outrageous.

no doubt we will ahve to pay a license fee big time--leave things the
way
they are!!
just encourage people to bike--fill the streets but do not give the
city
any credibility re bikes--i know you think it is better to ahve bike
paths
but the reality is it may not be.

peter

On Nov 16, 12:06 pm, "Papa Tom" wrote:
Oh. So why didn't he just say that?


He's from the Bronx. ;-)

OK, I'm outta this!


"Prisoner at War" wrote in message
...
On Nov 16, 12:06 pm, "Papa Tom" wrote:
Oh. So why didn't he just say that?


He's from the Bronx. ;-)

On Nov 16, 7:30 am, "Papa Tom" wrote:
What the HELL are you talking about, my friend?

"ilaboo" wrote in message

news:nv4%i.2040$eV.1824@trndny04...

been biking for over 50 years
12 of them in the mountains of Montana
this is not Portland Oregon--we in the bronx are getting tickets for
walking bikes on sidewalks--bike paths full of pedetrians and
wheelchairs--hot shot bikers covered with advertisements to narccistic
to
stop and help bikers---you have to see this to believe it.

we have police here in the bronx who are true sociopaths. Ever wonder
why
they empty their guns when they use them?--sit on the benches at City
island and you can hear they learing how to fire weapons--to give them
any
power especial;ly over bicycles is outrageous.

no doubt we will ahve to pay a license fee big time--leave things the
way
they are!!
just encourage people to bike--fill the streets but do not give the
city
any credibility re bikes--i know you think it is better to ahve bike
paths
but the reality is it may not be.

The truth is that bike paths don't work at all well when they get crowded. I
only use bike paths when there is practically no one on them. This means
weekdays, not weekends.

Frankly, I don't think ANYTHING works well when crowded, and EVERYTHING
works well when uncrowded - just another reason not to live in any metro.
Everyone in the world knows that The Bronx is a hell hole. Why live there if
you don't have to?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

As a lifelong resident of a town that has gone from "country" to urban-like
suburb in less than fifty years, I've been torn about bike paths for some
time myself. Yeah, I wish the roads would go back to the way they were when
I was a kid and I was able to ride them anywhere I wanted to go. And I wish
drivers and cyclists could figure out how to live together and share the
pavement. But that isn't going to happen around here anytime soon.

Meanwhile, fewer and fewer people here are allowing their kids to even own
bicycles, let alone ride them anywhere. And I understand why. As an
experienced cyclist who has ridden the same roads on a regular basis for the
past 35-40 years, I find I'm constantly in life-threatening situations when
I get out on the road. So more and more, I'm packing my bike into the car
and driving to bike paths in Westchester, in New Jersey, and right here on
Long Island. A lot of other Long Islanders are doing the same. For me,
sometimes it's either that - or leave the bike in the garage and go eat a
sandwich.

Regarding this problem with the police and the laws of the road, I think
there needs to be better education all around. I ran bicycle safety
programs in our local schools for a number of years and always tried to
involve the police. Sadly, I never found one who understood the basic
bicycle laws.

Likewise, I am constantly frustrated by how little people know or CARE to
know about how to ride a bicycle safely in traffic. And why should they,
when the rules of safe automobile driving are so universally ignored?

The problems between cops and cyclists can be broken down to the basic
components of a fist fight: When two people are arguing and both run out of
intelligence, the fists inevitably start flying. Similarly, when neither
the cops nor the cyclists know what the hell they are talking about, the
bullying begins...and the cops usually win.

"Papa Tom" wrote in message
...
As a lifelong resident of a town that has gone from "country" to
urban-like suburb in less than fifty years, I've been torn about bike
paths for some time myself. Yeah, I wish the roads would go back to the
way they were when I was a kid and I was able to ride them anywhere I
wanted to go. And I wish drivers and cyclists could figure out how to
live together and share the pavement. But that isn't going to happen
around here anytime soon.

Meanwhile, fewer and fewer people here are allowing their kids to even own
bicycles, let alone ride them anywhere. And I understand why. As an
experienced cyclist who has ridden the same roads on a regular basis for
the past 35-40 years, I find I'm constantly in life-threatening situations
when I get out on the road. So more and more, I'm packing my bike into
the car and driving to bike paths in Westchester, in New Jersey, and right
here on Long Island. A lot of other Long Islanders are doing the same.
For me, sometimes it's either that - or leave the bike in the garage and
go eat a sandwich.

Regarding this problem with the police and the laws of the road, I think
there needs to be better education all around. I ran bicycle safety
programs in our local schools for a number of years and always tried to
involve the police. Sadly, I never found one who understood the basic
bicycle laws.

Likewise, I am constantly frustrated by how little people know or CARE to
know about how to ride a bicycle safely in traffic. And why should they,
when the rules of safe automobile driving are so universally ignored?

The problems between cops and cyclists can be broken down to the basic
components of a fist fight: When two people are arguing and both run out
of intelligence, the fists inevitably start flying. Similarly, when
neither the cops nor the cyclists know what the hell they are talking
about, the bullying begins...and the cops usually win.

As we become more and more urbanized with every passing year, bike paths are
the answer to safe and fun cycling, but they must not be allowed to become
crowded. The reason they are so frequently crowded is because there are so
few of them. If there were hundreds of them all over the place, they would
not be crowded and would then be safe and fun for cyclists, not an obstacle
course as they so often are today.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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I guess the reason I'm not "getting" this is that the bike paths here are
always empty. As cool as they are, they're just too far from anywhere to
attract a lot of people -- especially since most would have to buy racks for
their cars. I say, in New York, we don't need anymore paths. We just need
safe biking roads that lead to them.

"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
...

"Papa Tom" wrote in message
...
As a lifelong resident of a town that has gone from "country" to
urban-like suburb in less than fifty years, I've been torn about bike
paths for some time myself. Yeah, I wish the roads would go back to the
way they were when I was a kid and I was able to ride them anywhere I
wanted to go. And I wish drivers and cyclists could figure out how to
live together and share the pavement. But that isn't going to happen
around here anytime soon.

Meanwhile, fewer and fewer people here are allowing their kids to even
own bicycles, let alone ride them anywhere. And I understand why. As an
experienced cyclist who has ridden the same roads on a regular basis for
the past 35-40 years, I find I'm constantly in life-threatening
situations when I get out on the road. So more and more, I'm packing my
bike into the car and driving to bike paths in Westchester, in New
Jersey, and right here on Long Island. A lot of other Long Islanders are
doing the same. For me, sometimes it's either that - or leave the bike in
the garage and go eat a sandwich.

Regarding this problem with the police and the laws of the road, I think
there needs to be better education all around. I ran bicycle safety
programs in our local schools for a number of years and always tried to
involve the police. Sadly, I never found one who understood the basic
bicycle laws.

Likewise, I am constantly frustrated by how little people know or CARE to
know about how to ride a bicycle safely in traffic. And why should they,
when the rules of safe automobile driving are so universally ignored?

The problems between cops and cyclists can be broken down to the basic
components of a fist fight: When two people are arguing and both run out
of intelligence, the fists inevitably start flying. Similarly, when
neither the cops nor the cyclists know what the hell they are talking
about, the bullying begins...and the cops usually win.

As we become more and more urbanized with every passing year, bike paths
are the answer to safe and fun cycling, but they must not be allowed to
become crowded. The reason they are so frequently crowded is because there
are so few of them. If there were hundreds of them all over the place,
they would not be crowded and would then be safe and fun for cyclists, not
an obstacle course as they so often are today.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Nov 17, 5:55 am, "Papa Tom" wrote:
I guess the reason I'm not "getting" this is that the bike paths here are
always empty. As cool as they are, they're just too far from anywhere to
attract a lot of people -- especially since most would have to buy racks for
their cars. I say, in New York, we don't need anymore paths. We just need
safe biking roads that lead to them.


If there are enough "safe biking roads", the need for bike paths
disappears.