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"Chalo" wrote in message ... Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: Tom Sherman wrote: Sorry Peter, but Ed Dolan is ex-USN, just like yourself. When, where, etc. Black or brown shoe, bubblehead, gator, airdale, aviator, what? Ed Dolan served as a soot swabber on the coal ship USS Hannibal during the Spanish-American war. Chalo Is that different than a seaman wiper? |
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Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm wrote:
On Aug 22, 9:25 pm, Tom Sherman wrote: Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm wrote: On Aug 21, 4:04 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: ... The thing that gets me is how liberals complain about our war losses when they don't amount to a hill of beans compared to how many are being killed on our highways - or even to how many are being murdered by hoodlums in the streets of our big cities. Go figure! Another civilian, go figure. The people we protect in the military, go figure.... Sorry Peter, but Ed Dolan is ex-USN, just like yourself. When, where, etc. Black or brown shoe, bubblehead, gator, airdale, aviator, what? Best estimate from Ed's age would be about 1954/5 to 1958/9 in the USN. I wonder if Ed joined to the Navy to avoid the possibility of being drafted to the Army, where he would have been made to grunt through the woods and whatnot carrying a third of his body weight in equipment? -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia “Mary had a little lamb / And when she saw it sicken / She shipped it off to Packingtown / And now it’s labeled chicken.” |
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Chalo Colina wrote:
Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: Tom Sherman wrote: Sorry Peter, but Ed Dolan is ex-USN, just like yourself. When, where, etc. Black or brown shoe, bubblehead, gator, airdale, aviator, what? Ed Dolan served as a soot swabber on the coal ship USS Hannibal during the Spanish-American war. I thought Ed Dolan was stoking the boilers on the USS Maine at that time. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia “Mary had a little lamb / And when she saw it sicken / She shipped it off to Packingtown / And now it’s labeled chicken.” |
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On Aug 21, 5:04 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"DennisTheBald" wrote in message ... Once again, a motorist - a member of a large class of people that have a demonstrated propensity to run over and kill 44,000 people each year (most of whom are other motorists) is claiming that the people that they are running over and killing are somehow producing the element of danger by being in a place where a motorist might wish to motor. There is coffee brewing, wake up and smell it you ****ing morons: cars are dangerous; cars are dangerous to pedestrians, cars are dangerous to bicyclists, cars are dangerous to motorists most of all. The situation is that either these 44,000 deaths in the US each year are merely accidents and no one is at fault (it could have happened to anyone), in which case everyone that operates a motor vehicle is equally culpable for these deaths whether they were involved in such an incident or not (because it could have happened to anyone that was driving one of these murderous contraptions). Or these incidents are situations in which a motor vehicle operator was negligent and should be held accountable for their actions (hang 'em!). Neither of these situations involve the idea of blaming the non-motoring public for being run over by these reckless, mindless idiots. Maybe if gas goes to $100 a gallon, that will permanently solve the problem of motorists killing everything in sight. The thing that gets me is how liberals complain about our war losses when they don't amount to a hill of beans compared to how many are being killed on our highways - or even to how many are being murdered by hoodlums in the streets of our big cities. Go figure! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota The argument that we should neglect military losses in IRAQ because more people are killed in traffic accidents in US is incredibly insulting - to our military and to common sense. Why ask military to get killed in a war that failed to achieve it stated military objective GAINING CONTROL OVER WMDs ? Well OK we all know now that pre-war WMD hysteria was utter BS - that real goal was to occupy IRAQ, perhaps control the oil, perhaps build permanent military bases there. Whatever it was - people that were responsible for IRAQ did everything possible to screw it up. They disbanded the Iraqi army - rendering couple hundred thousands weapon savvy Iraqis jobless - that is what started insurgency and what made it impossible to control. Then they banned all the Baath part members from holding any offices. That created political vacuum that was promptly filled by islamist from Shiite and Sunni group - so current government in Iraq is anti-American and pro-Islamist. And you are asking military to die for mistakes that idiots like Bush's protege Paul Bremmer and others in Washingon made. Iraq could have been stable 10 times over with no insurgency and no al-Qaeda volunteers crossing from Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia to wreck havoc there. If we worked with resources and groups that were there on the ground - Iraqi army and Baath Party. But that was not good enough for "war on terror" propagandists in Washington. They wanted some argument to justify invasion and the fat multibillion dollar contracts that their friends in defense industry were getting out if it. So insurgency was a God-sent and the utterly INSANE idea equating invasion to "war on terror" could have been justified by images of terror in Iraq. Fact remains - insurgency was led by disgruntled former members of of Iraqi military. alQaeda in Iraq is just taking opportunity of chaos and anarchy to train volunteers from neighbouring countries and Iraq in urban warfare and terrorism. But all that has NO EFFECT whatsoever on fighting threat to the West which are terrorist cells that alQaeda managed to build using billions given them semi-legally by Saudis (which we conveniently ignore why our people die in Iraq). To combat alQaeda in the West we have to invest in intelligence gathering and police type of work and that does not smell like big bucks to all those traitors in Bush's administration to pushed for invading Iraq. They rather waste another trillion on useless fighting of some barefoot kids setting up IEDs in Iraq rather than spend few billions on what ' would really make us safer - securing our borders and intelligence gathering. Not to mention - putting serious political (and perhaps even military) pressure on Saudis to stop ALL forms of funding for alQaeda and affiliated radical islamist organizations. Without support from Saudis and the network of Wahhabism-preaching mosques all over the globe alQaeda would be dne in a year. But nothing is done - all those traitors sit deep in Saudi pockets. Asking anybody to die for BS that Iraq really is is simply insulting. And so are any arguments that start from "typical liberal blah blah". You are not talking to a group of retards, Edwards Dolan. You want respect? Well give people some respect and then ask for it. Instead you insult everybody here and then whine that people do not like you. Well, I guess that does not really matter - trolls like you thrive on abuse. |
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Tom Sherman wrote: Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm wrote: On Aug 21, 4:04 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: ... The thing that gets me is how liberals complain about our war losses when they don't amount to a hill of beans compared to how many are being killed on our highways - or even to how many are being murdered by hoodlums in the streets of our big cities. Go figure! Another civilian, go figure. The people we protect in the military, go figure.... Sorry Peter, but Ed Dolan is ex-USN, just like yourself. No, not the same. -- Michael Press |
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Michael Press wrote:
In article , Tom Sherman wrote: Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm wrote: On Aug 21, 4:04 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: ... The thing that gets me is how liberals complain about our war losses when they don't amount to a hill of beans compared to how many are being killed on our highways - or even to how many are being murdered by hoodlums in the streets of our big cities. Go figure! Another civilian, go figure. The people we protect in the military, go figure.... Sorry Peter, but Ed Dolan is ex-USN, just like yourself. No, not the same. My statement is limited solely to the common factor of former service in the United States Navy, and not to other characteristics. No claims of Ed's service being comparable to Peter's service beyond being in the Navy should be inferred. No insult of Peter Chisholm was intended. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia “Mary had a little lamb / And when she saw it sicken / She shipped it off to Packingtown / And now it’s labeled chicken.” |
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"Qui si parla Campagnolo" wrote in message ... On Aug 22, 9:25 pm, Tom Sherman wrote: Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm wrote: On Aug 21, 4:04 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: ... The thing that gets me is how liberals complain about our war losses when they don't amount to a hill of beans compared to how many are being killed on our highways - or even to how many are being murdered by hoodlums in the streets of our big cities. Go figure! Another civilian, go figure. The people we protect in the military, go figure.... Sorry Peter, but Ed Dolan is ex-USN, just like yourself. When, where, etc. Black or brown shoe, bubblehead, gator, airdale, aviator, what? Service is service you blockhead - no matter what or where! I do not think of myself as somehow special like you do. I KNOW that ANYONE who spends some time in the military is special. Now go **** yourself and leave us sensible types alone. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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"Tom Sherman" wrote in message ... Chalo Colina wrote: Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote: Tom Sherman wrote: Sorry Peter, but Ed Dolan is ex-USN, just like yourself. When, where, etc. Black or brown shoe, bubblehead, gator, airdale, aviator, what? Ed Dolan served as a soot swabber on the coal ship USS Hannibal during the Spanish-American war. I thought Ed Dolan was stoking the boilers on the USS Maine at that time. You have got me confused with my grandfather who was a captain in command of a group of local volunteers. Unfortunately, they never did get to Cuba to kick Spanish ass. The war simply didn't last long enough. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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"Tom Sherman" wrote in message ... Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm wrote: On Aug 22, 9:25 pm, Tom Sherman wrote: Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm wrote: On Aug 21, 4:04 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: ... The thing that gets me is how liberals complain about our war losses when they don't amount to a hill of beans compared to how many are being killed on our highways - or even to how many are being murdered by hoodlums in the streets of our big cities. Go figure! Another civilian, go figure. The people we protect in the military, go figure.... Sorry Peter, but Ed Dolan is ex-USN, just like yourself. When, where, etc. Black or brown shoe, bubblehead, gator, airdale, aviator, what? Best estimate from Ed's age would be about 1954/5 to 1958/9 in the USN. I wonder if Ed joined to the Navy to avoid the possibility of being drafted to the Army, where he would have been made to grunt through the woods and whatnot carrying a third of his body weight in equipment? Yes, Tom has got the dates and the reason correct. Unfortunately, the Navy had a whole lot of onerous requirements of its own which did not sit well with me. But I lasted it out and, although I would never want to do it again, it was on the whole a worthwhile experience. I am dead set against a draft military. Those days are gone forever. We want professional warriors who are doing what they want to do and being where they want to be. Nixon was a genius for finally solving the age old problem of inferior draftees who were unmotivated to do what the military requires. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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"Woland99" wrote in message ... On Aug 21, 5:04 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] The thing that gets me is how liberals complain about our war losses when they don't amount to a hill of beans compared to how many are being killed on our highways - or even to how many are being murdered by hoodlums in the streets of our big cities. Go figure! The argument that we should neglect military losses in IRAQ because more people are killed in traffic accidents in US is incredibly insulting - to our military and to common sense. Our military losses in Iraq and Afghanistan are negligible. War is all about killing the enemy and you have got to expect that some of your own are also going to be killed. Read the history of WWI and WWII to know what killing on a mass scale is all about. Liberals have no stomach for war and could care less about who or how many are being killed. The only thing that is being insulted here is our intelligence. Why ask military to get killed in a war that failed to achieve it stated military objective GAINING CONTROL OVER WMDs ? We had many objectives in taking out Saddam. In any event, those decisions are made at the highest levels of our government, not by idiots like you. Well OK we all know now that pre-war WMD hysteria was utter BS - that real goal was to occupy IRAQ, perhaps control the oil, perhaps build permanent military bases there. Whatever it was - people that were responsible for IRAQ did everything possible to screw it up. They disbanded the Iraqi army - rendering couple hundred thousands weapon savvy Iraqis jobless - that is what started insurgency and what made it impossible to control. Then they banned all the Baath part members from holding any offices. That created political vacuum that was promptly filled by islamist from Shiite and Sunni group - so current government in Iraq is anti-American and pro-Islamist. And you are asking military to die for mistakes that idiots like Bush's protege Paul Bremmer and others in Washingon made. The only thing that was incorrectly assessed was the insurgency. Arab Muslims are notorious for being obstreperous. We should have killed many more of them to drive the point home that we meant business. However, the surge finally got it right, thanks to President Bush and no thanks to liberal cowards and treasonous *******s like you. Iraq could have been stable 10 times over with no insurgency and no al-Qaeda volunteers crossing from Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia to wreck havoc there. If we worked with resources and groups that were there on the ground - Iraqi army and Baath Party. The whole point of the war was to take out the Iraqi army and the Baathists. Who the hell do you think was supporting Saddam? But that was not good enough for "war on terror" propagandists in Washington. They wanted some argument to justify invasion and the fat multibillion dollar contracts that their friends in defense industry were getting out if it. So insurgency was a God-sent and the utterly INSANE idea equating invasion to "war on terror" could have been justified by images of terror in Iraq. Fact remains - insurgency was led by disgruntled former members of of Iraqi military. alQaeda in Iraq is just taking opportunity of chaos and anarchy to train volunteers from neighbouring countries and Iraq in urban warfare and terrorism. We are winning and they are losing. Why? Because we have finally learned how to kick Arab Muslim ass. The war in Iraq (and Afghanistan) was and is the major phase of the War on Terror. It may soon spread to Iran and Pakistan. We need to increase the size of our military if we are to remain safe. But all that has NO EFFECT whatsoever on fighting threat to the West which are terrorist cells that alQaeda managed to build using billions given them semi-legally by Saudis (which we conveniently ignore why our people die in Iraq). To combat alQaeda in the West we have to invest in intelligence gathering and police type of work and that does not smell like big bucks to all those traitors in Bush's administration to pushed for invading Iraq. They rather waste another trillion on useless fighting of some barefoot kids setting up IEDs in Iraq rather than spend few billions on what ' would really make us safer - securing our borders and intelligence gathering. Not to mention - putting serious political (and perhaps even military) pressure on Saudis to stop ALL forms of funding for alQaeda and affiliated radical islamist organizations. Without support from Saudis and the network of Wahhabism-preaching mosques all over the globe alQaeda would be dne in a year. But nothing is done - all those traitors sit deep in Saudi pockets. What you propose is pretty much what Clinton was doing, all to no avail. Terrorism needs to be confronted by taking the war to the enemy, not by your pitiful police action. America was extremely lucky to get Bush for President and not Gore. Asking anybody to die for BS that Iraq really is is simply insulting. And so are any arguments that start from "typical liberal blah blah". We need to kill as many of the Arab Muslim terrorists as possible. Liberals have been against the war from the moment they discovered it was not going to be over in a few weeks. Like I said, liberals have no stomach for war because they are cowards and treasonous *******s - just like you are. You are not talking to a group of retards, Edwards Dolan. You want respect? Well give people some respect and then ask for it. Instead you insult everybody here and then whine that people do not like you. Well, I guess that does not really matter - trolls like you thrive on abuse. In your case, I am talking to a liberal-far-left-wing-wacko-nut-case (all one word), that much I do know. You give yourself away with your every utterance. We are all just so sick and tired of liberal cowardice. Get some balls, why don't you! By the way, everyone present on these cycling newsgroups is way too stupid to ever have their intelligence insulted. Don't believe me? Try to insult Tom Sherman sometime. It is impossible! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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