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Old June 1st 09, 10:55 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,ba.bicycles
CJ
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:

"CJ" wrote in message
...
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:

... But when she does
the weather, it's always about your morning commute in your CAR.
Why is that?


I can't believe you asked that. Think for a minute, There are
hundreds of thousands of people who commute by car and perhaps a
couple of thousand people who commute by bicycle. Where do you
think the programming, and more importantly, the advertising
dollars are going to be spent.

-- Cliff


Cliff: Consider that Channel 5 was running all sorts of stuff about
May being bike-to-work month. It's a natural tie-in, and I don't
think you're going to be offending the car drivers doing so.


No argument here.

In fact,
one could point out that, the more people there are who ride to work,
the less-congested the highways will be, and in fact we'd have lower
gas prices too. Reduce demand and good things happen all around.

I don't understand why everything has to be put in a car-bike
confrontation mindset. A properly-designed transportation system
makes it easier for everybody to get around, whether for some reason
they have to drive or they can ride or walk or take public
transportation.


Utopia is a nice concept but will never happen. In the meantime we have
to put up with realities. Orders of magnitude more people drive to work
than bicycle to work in the Bay area.


But getting back to the specifics, just what exactly would the car
drivers find so offensive about Roberta mentioning that cyclists had
better be prepared for a wet commute and slick streets? Do you really
think that car drivers are going to change channels because of that?
It's not as if she's telling people to get out of their cars and ride
their bikes.


Again, no argument here. It was just the apparent naivete of your
remark that I responded to.

--
Cliff

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Old June 1st 09, 11:12 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,ba.bicycles
Tom Kunich
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"CJ" wrote in message
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Utopia is a nice concept but will never happen. In the meantime we have
to put up with realities. Orders of magnitude more people drive to work
than bicycle to work in the Bay area.


Maybe you're missing what's going on in the car business. Do you understand
what it means that GM and Chrysler are in bankruptsy? Do you understand that
implies that the cost of autos is likely to skyrocket in the next 5 years?

What do you suppose the end result of that would be?

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Old June 2nd 09, 12:07 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,ba.bicycles
Mike Jacoubowsky
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"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote in message
m...
"CJ" wrote in message
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Utopia is a nice concept but will never happen. In the meantime we
have
to put up with realities. Orders of magnitude more people drive to
work
than bicycle to work in the Bay area.


Maybe you're missing what's going on in the car business. Do you
understand what it means that GM and Chrysler are in bankruptsy? Do
you understand that implies that the cost of autos is likely to
skyrocket in the next 5 years?

What do you suppose the end result of that would be?


Tom: I don't think *any* of us understand that the bankruptcy of GM &
Chrysler mean yet. It's still a world market for both manufacturing and
sales of automobiles, so I doubt that costs will skyrocket, especially
since one of the main purposes of large-scale biz bankruptcies is to
offload continuing healthcare & retirement benefits to the government.

Yes, fewer dealers will likely mean less competition and higher profit
for each remaining dealer, but that isn't a huge percentage of the
ultimate cost of the car to the consumer. Ultimately the race will be to
see who can manufacture more efficiently and drive down costs. Profits
can only go so high because competition does exist, not just from
whatever's left of domestic car companies, but Honda, Toyota, Kia, and
who knows what might emerge some day from India.

The main thing we *have* learned is that the car business is susceptible
to the same issues that affect every other business. Cost of materials,
labor, demand for product, utility of product, and ongoing cost of
operating that product. Cars are no longer considered such an essential
part of American Life that everything about them exists within a
protective bubble.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA


"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote in message
m...
"CJ" wrote in message
...

Utopia is a nice concept but will never happen. In the meantime we
have
to put up with realities. Orders of magnitude more people drive to
work
than bicycle to work in the Bay area.


Maybe you're missing what's going on in the car business. Do you
understand what it means that GM and Chrysler are in bankruptsy? Do
you understand that implies that the cost of autos is likely to
skyrocket in the next 5 years?

What do you suppose the end result of that would be?



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Old June 2nd 09, 01:39 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,ba.bicycles
CJ
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Tom Kunich wrote:

"CJ" wrote in message
...

Utopia is a nice concept but will never happen. In the meantime we
have to put up with realities. Orders of magnitude more people
drive to work than bicycle to work in the Bay area.


Maybe you're missing what's going on in the car business. Do you
understand what it means that GM and Chrysler are in bankruptsy? Do
you understand that implies that the cost of autos is likely to
skyrocket in the next 5 years?

What do you suppose the end result of that would be?


Everyone will be driving import vechicles as I have done for the last
40 years. Unfortunately, the american 'big three' automoble
manufacturers have not built an economical and reliable car in recent
history.

--

Cliff
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Old June 2nd 09, 01:58 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,ba.bicycles
Tom Kunich
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"CJ" wrote in message
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Everyone will be driving import vechicles as I have done for the last
40 years. Unfortunately, the american 'big three' automoble
manufacturers have not built an economical and reliable car in recent
history.


Psst - the Ford Focus has won all of the low priced car/low operating
expenses/cheap repair prizes. Where have you been?

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Old June 2nd 09, 02:25 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,ba.bicycles
CJ
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Tom Kunich wrote:

"CJ" wrote in message
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Everyone will be driving import vechicles as I have done for the
last 40 years. Unfortunately, the american 'big three' automoble
manufacturers have not built an economical and reliable car in
recent history.


Psst - the Ford Focus has won all of the low priced car/low operating
expenses/cheap repair prizes. Where have you been?


According to whom??? You might want to peruse this site for a less than
stellar report on the Focus
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/focus/review.html

Somehow I don't think your opinion is very credible.

--
Cliff

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Old June 2nd 09, 04:54 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,ba.bicycles
Tom Kunich
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"CJ" wrote in message
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Tom Kunich wrote:

Psst - the Ford Focus has won all of the low priced car/low operating
expenses/cheap repair prizes. Where have you been?


According to whom??? You might want to peruse this site for a less than
stellar report on the Focus
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/focus/review.html

Somehow I don't think your opinion is very credible.


Somehow I see that you avoid any written opinions differing from your own.

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Old June 2nd 09, 05:50 AM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,ba.bicycles
CJ
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Tom Kunich wrote:

"CJ" wrote in message
...
Tom Kunich wrote:

Psst - the Ford Focus has won all of the low priced car/low
operating expenses/cheap repair prizes. Where have you been?


According to whom??? You might want to peruse this site for a less
than stellar report on the Focus
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/focus/review.html

Somehow I don't think your opinion is very credible.


Somehow I see that you avoid any written opinions differing from your
own.


Especially when they are backed up by hot air as your opinions are.

BTW where are your cites backing up your opinions???

You may also wish to peruse this site for more enlightenment on the
Focus.
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...s/Reliability/

--
Cliff

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Old June 2nd 09, 10:31 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,ba.bicycles
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Also effective is "Window Crumbling" where you take your
Kryptonite lock and swing it into the driver's window, causing
it to shatter into thousands of tiny pieces covering their lap
and scaring the holy living **** out of the hapless driver.


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Old June 2nd 09, 11:16 PM posted to rec.bicycles.soc,ba.bicycles
Tom Sherman °_°
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Fence Tortoise wrote:
Also effective is "Window Crumbling" where you take your
Kryptonite lock and swing it into the driver's window, causing
it to shatter into thousands of tiny pieces covering their lap
and scaring the holy living **** out of the hapless driver.


Try that around here, and you will get run over.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
 




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