Odd interaction with a road rager

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:36:15 GMT, "Ken [NY)" wrote:

Bin Laden's plea to the US:
"ANYBODY BUT BUSH!"

Actually, the reverse is true.

Could be that he noticed that a third of his terror group is
either room temperature or in a US prison camp and said, "Hey, I like
this guy!"

Didn't you notice?

They are prepared to die for what they believe in, and every time the west
interfers in their region, it creates more potential martyrs.

The British did not start to win against IRA terrorism until someone had the
brilliant idea of addressing what was worrying the people from whom the IRA
recruited and gained funds *AS WELL AS* taking a hard line against the
terrorists.

Until that time, it was just a war against terrorism, with many casualties on
both sides.

Hold on a moment - where have I heard the expression "war against terrorism"
recently.

Oh, yes, that's Bush and his cohorts. They're quite rightly taking a very strong
line against the terrorists, but are completely ignoring the underlying problems
that allow people like Bin Laden to recruit more and more who are prepared to
die to harm the west.

So Mr. Bush is "creating" terrorists, as the Democrats in the
streets are saying? Just by fighting terrorists and their support
countries?

Yup, and it's not just the democrats in the US that are saying it.

Anyone with any intelligence and without the blinkered view so beloved of the
extreme right could work it out for themselves.

Just think for a moment. What was the first thing anyone knew of the wake up
call the US got on 11/9?

When a bunch of people killed *themselves* as well as many others, because of
what they believed. They may well have been insane, but it just shows you what
you can create by ignoring the way people feel when you interfere in their
affairs.

So tell me, shouldn't we then warn the Russians not to resist
the Islamo-fascist terrorists in their country who have blown up
planes, buildings, and are holding a school full of children hostage?
Should they just let the terrorists do what they want to do so they
won't get angry and do terroristic acts?

If the Russian have any sense, they will do what they can to address the
grievences of those from whom the terrorist garner support. If they can stop
them becoming terrorists they will win against those who already are. If they
can't it will go on and on and on.

Go the Bush way and the US will live in fear for decades.

I've no idea what Kerry would do, but he could hardly make a bigger pig's ear of
it than Bush and Blair have.

Chris BeHanna wrote in message news:pan.2004.09.02.04.49.25.1876@allspammersmust die.behanna.org...
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 04:23:50 +0000, Jem Berkes wrote:

The car was some souped-up muscle car ...
I caught up two lights later ...

You should have asked him, if his car is so powerful how come you were able
to catch up to him? If that's too subtle for him just tell him he has a
small penis.

Nah.

If you were canoeing, and an empty boat drifted across your path,
it wouldn't make any sense to get angry at it.

It makes no more sense to get angry at road raging morons than it
does to yell at an empty boat.

Just repeat to yourself, "Empty boat."

I admit I'm not 100% perfect at this, but when I am successful,
it's very gratifying to NOT have gotten angry, and to NOT have let the
asshole spoil my day.

When I'm honked at, I put on my biggest smile and wave, figuring a)
maybe I know the motorist, and he is being friendly, or b) maybe I can
give the motorist an aneurism by not understanding why he is honking.

Chris BeHanna wrote in message news:pan.2004.09.02.04.49.25.1876@allspammersmust die.behanna.org...
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 04:23:50 +0000, Jem Berkes wrote:

The car was some souped-up muscle car ...
I caught up two lights later ...

You should have asked him, if his car is so powerful how come you were able
to catch up to him? If that's too subtle for him just tell him he has a
small penis.

Nah.

If you were canoeing, and an empty boat drifted across your path,
it wouldn't make any sense to get angry at it.

It makes no more sense to get angry at road raging morons than it
does to yell at an empty boat.

Just repeat to yourself, "Empty boat."

I admit I'm not 100% perfect at this, but when I am successful,
it's very gratifying to NOT have gotten angry, and to NOT have let the
asshole spoil my day.

When I'm honked at, I put on my biggest smile and wave, figuring a)
maybe I know the motorist, and he is being friendly, or b) maybe I can
give the motorist an aneurism by not understanding why he is honking.

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:53:10 GMT, Doug Ventner wrote:

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:36:15 GMT, "Ken [NY)" wrote:

Bin Laden's plea to the US:
"ANYBODY BUT BUSH!"

Actually, the reverse is true.

Could be that he noticed that a third of his terror group is
either room temperature or in a US prison camp and said, "Hey, I like
this guy!"

Didn't you notice?

They are prepared to die for what they believe in, and every time the
west
interfers in their region, it creates more potential martyrs.

The British did not start to win against IRA terrorism until someone had
the
brilliant idea of addressing what was worrying the people from whom the
IRA
recruited and gained funds *AS WELL AS* taking a hard line against the
terrorists.

Until that time, it was just a war against terrorism, with many
casualties on
both sides.

Hold on a moment - where have I heard the expression "war against
terrorism"
recently.

Oh, yes, that's Bush and his cohorts. They're quite rightly taking a
very strong
line against the terrorists, but are completely ignoring the underlying
problems
that allow people like Bin Laden to recruit more and more who are
prepared to
die to harm the west.

So Mr. Bush is "creating" terrorists, as the Democrats in the
streets are saying? Just by fighting terrorists and their support
countries?

Yup, and it's not just the democrats in the US that are saying it.

Anyone with any intelligence and without the blinkered view so beloved
of the
extreme right could work it out for themselves.

Just think for a moment. What was the first thing anyone knew of the
wake up
call the US got on 11/9?

When a bunch of people killed *themselves* as well as many others,
because of
what they believed. They may well have been insane, but it just shows
you what
you can create by ignoring the way people feel when you interfere in
their
affairs.

So tell me, shouldn't we then warn the Russians not to resist
the Islamo-fascist terrorists in their country who have blown up
planes, buildings, and are holding a school full of children hostage?
Should they just let the terrorists do what they want to do so they
won't get angry and do terroristic acts?

If the Russian have any sense, they will do what they can to address the
grievences of those from whom the terrorist garner support. If they can
stop
them becoming terrorists they will win against those who already are. If
they
can't it will go on and on and on.

Go the Bush way and the US will live in fear for decades.

I've no idea what Kerry would do, but he could hardly make a bigger
pig's ear of
it than Bush and Blair have.

I was going to stay out of this but to relate a bit of history, here goes.
Remember 1941 when the USA thought that WWII was someone elses' problem?
It took Pearl Harbor to wake us up, and information says that many warnings
before that were ignored. The American people only get going when something
big enough gets their attention. Had 9/11/01 not happened we might still be
hemming and hawwing around and ignoring the Middle East situation, which in
hindsight might have been better. I think we have another Vietnam here and
Bush will bury us deeper and the USA will be hated globally, but Kerry will
have his hands full too. Kerry is just the 'least incompetent' choice we
have.
Of course if Bush #1 had finished what he started we would not be there
today.
Bill Baka


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On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:53:10 GMT, Doug Ventner wrote:

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 15:36:15 GMT, "Ken [NY)" wrote:

Bin Laden's plea to the US:
"ANYBODY BUT BUSH!"

Actually, the reverse is true.

Could be that he noticed that a third of his terror group is
either room temperature or in a US prison camp and said, "Hey, I like
this guy!"

Didn't you notice?

They are prepared to die for what they believe in, and every time the
west
interfers in their region, it creates more potential martyrs.

The British did not start to win against IRA terrorism until someone had
the
brilliant idea of addressing what was worrying the people from whom the
IRA
recruited and gained funds *AS WELL AS* taking a hard line against the
terrorists.

Until that time, it was just a war against terrorism, with many
casualties on
both sides.

Hold on a moment - where have I heard the expression "war against
terrorism"
recently.

Oh, yes, that's Bush and his cohorts. They're quite rightly taking a
very strong
line against the terrorists, but are completely ignoring the underlying
problems
that allow people like Bin Laden to recruit more and more who are
prepared to
die to harm the west.

So Mr. Bush is "creating" terrorists, as the Democrats in the
streets are saying? Just by fighting terrorists and their support
countries?

Yup, and it's not just the democrats in the US that are saying it.

Anyone with any intelligence and without the blinkered view so beloved
of the
extreme right could work it out for themselves.

Just think for a moment. What was the first thing anyone knew of the
wake up
call the US got on 11/9?

When a bunch of people killed *themselves* as well as many others,
because of
what they believed. They may well have been insane, but it just shows
you what
you can create by ignoring the way people feel when you interfere in
their
affairs.

So tell me, shouldn't we then warn the Russians not to resist
the Islamo-fascist terrorists in their country who have blown up
planes, buildings, and are holding a school full of children hostage?
Should they just let the terrorists do what they want to do so they
won't get angry and do terroristic acts?

If the Russian have any sense, they will do what they can to address the
grievences of those from whom the terrorist garner support. If they can
stop
them becoming terrorists they will win against those who already are. If
they
can't it will go on and on and on.

Go the Bush way and the US will live in fear for decades.

I've no idea what Kerry would do, but he could hardly make a bigger
pig's ear of
it than Bush and Blair have.

I was going to stay out of this but to relate a bit of history, here goes.
Remember 1941 when the USA thought that WWII was someone elses' problem?
It took Pearl Harbor to wake us up, and information says that many warnings
before that were ignored. The American people only get going when something
big enough gets their attention. Had 9/11/01 not happened we might still be
hemming and hawwing around and ignoring the Middle East situation, which in
hindsight might have been better. I think we have another Vietnam here and
Bush will bury us deeper and the USA will be hated globally, but Kerry will
have his hands full too. Kerry is just the 'least incompetent' choice we
have.
Of course if Bush #1 had finished what he started we would not be there
today.
Bill Baka


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On 2 Sep 2004 10:08:43 -0700, (Delano DuGarm) wrote:

When I'm honked at, I put on my biggest smile and wave, figuring a)
maybe I know the motorist, and he is being friendly, or b) maybe I can
give the motorist an aneurism by not understanding why he is honking.

When someone honks me from behind, because they can't get past, I wait until it
is safe to do so, pull over a little, at the same time extending my hand and
bekoning them on with two fingers (together). They *hate* that.

When I'm honked by someone as they go past, I give them a great big smile and a
cheery wave. I figure if they realise I'm taking the **** they'll hate that, and
if they think I have misunderstood and thought they were being friendly, they'll
hate that as well.

You may have guessed that I don't like being honked at.

In fact, it happens very, very rarely - I think three time so far this year. I
find the vast majority of motorists to be careful and considerate, so I return
the favour, and there is little reason for anyone to honk. When they do it is
usually sheer impatience on their part (or some strange belief that I am not
entitled to use a piece of road if they want to use the same piece - which, I
suppose, amounts to the same thing).

--
Ian

On 2 Sep 2004 10:08:43 -0700, (Delano DuGarm) wrote:

When I'm honked at, I put on my biggest smile and wave, figuring a)
maybe I know the motorist, and he is being friendly, or b) maybe I can
give the motorist an aneurism by not understanding why he is honking.

When someone honks me from behind, because they can't get past, I wait until it
is safe to do so, pull over a little, at the same time extending my hand and
bekoning them on with two fingers (together). They *hate* that.

When I'm honked by someone as they go past, I give them a great big smile and a
cheery wave. I figure if they realise I'm taking the **** they'll hate that, and
if they think I have misunderstood and thought they were being friendly, they'll
hate that as well.

You may have guessed that I don't like being honked at.

In fact, it happens very, very rarely - I think three time so far this year. I
find the vast majority of motorists to be careful and considerate, so I return
the favour, and there is little reason for anyone to honk. When they do it is
usually sheer impatience on their part (or some strange belief that I am not
entitled to use a piece of road if they want to use the same piece - which, I
suppose, amounts to the same thing).

--
Ian

When I'm honked at, I put on my biggest smile and wave, figuring a)
maybe I know the motorist, and he is being friendly, or b) maybe I can
give the motorist an aneurism by not understanding why he is honking.

This is a good point, several times friends have spotted me on the road and
tried to get my attention. I am generally friendly to others on the roads.

On the other hand, when a pickup truck swerves in front of me and slams on
its brakes I know that it's not trying to make a new friend

--
Jem Berkes
http://www.sysdesign.ca/

When I'm honked at, I put on my biggest smile and wave, figuring a)
maybe I know the motorist, and he is being friendly, or b) maybe I can
give the motorist an aneurism by not understanding why he is honking.

This is a good point, several times friends have spotted me on the road and
tried to get my attention. I am generally friendly to others on the roads.

On the other hand, when a pickup truck swerves in front of me and slams on
its brakes I know that it's not trying to make a new friend

--
Jem Berkes
http://www.sysdesign.ca/

"Ken [NY)" wrote in message
...

So Mr. Bush is creating terrorists, as the Democrats in the
streets are saying? Just by fighting terrorists and their support
countries?

Yes. I'm glad you understand this so well. Thank you for stating it so
plainly.

When we ignore the Geneva Convention for our prisoners of war, and when we
use torture, when we invade another country based on lies, we have no moral
ground to stand on, and we create more people who have good reason to hate
us.

I can tell you, if my comrades were being killed or held prisoner for
fighting for what they believed in, I would not be questioning my beliefs --
instead, I'd be fighting even harder -- wouldn't you? Did the attacks on
September 11 make you less patriotic? Did you feel more or less in
solidarity with other Americans? Why do you think it works differently for
others?

Meanwhile, our national resources are diverted into a useless war abroad and
to the wealthy who don't need the money. Causes that would make our nation
stronger -- devoting resources to lifelong learning so that we are
employable all our lives; ensuring that everyone has access to quality
health care, not just the rich, so that we are physically able to pursue our
dreams, materially and non-materially; putting money into infrastructure
such as roads and bridges so that we can be a more economically viable
country -- well, I could go on and on -- are starved. As the gap between
rich and poor widen, we look less like other developed nations which take
care of their citizens, and more like the Third World.

So, if you want to advance the cause of Osama Bin Laden, vote for George W.
Bush. He is the man who continues to antagonize both our enemies and our
allies, making us ineffective in the world, and weakens our nation at home.


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