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Old April 16th 05, 05:39 AM
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gerblefranklin wrote:
*Tom is not stupid, and is not a fool on a crusade against helmets.
There's no need to go making sarcastic attacks on his statement. All
he is doing is being realistic. The damage to a helmet is not equal
or directly comparable to that of an unguarded head in the same crash.
As far as I can tell, that is all he is saying.

And technically, assuming you didn't have a windshield, being without
a seatbelt can be better, since you could end up flying into a pool of
water or sand rather than having a hard piece of cloth crush your
collarbone (you run into a low brick wall at the edge of a harbor, for
example). *



I don't believe that Tom is stupid. Show the picture of the helmet to a
bunch of people and some will believe that it saved the riders life or
spared him from head injuries. Others will say that it is inconclusive
because the helmet is much larger than ones head and will cause more
damage to the riders neck because it extends outward and will cause neck
trauma.

Some of these same people also believe that seat belts are dangerous
because of the small chance that you would get hurt in a side impact
crash or you would be trapped if you landed in the water. It doesn't
matter that wearing a seat belt saves many more lives than they take.


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Old April 16th 05, 10:38 AM
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even if he wouldn't have hit is head it saved his neck from whiplash.
There were three options, helmet - no damage, no helmet - neck absorbs
shock but saves head (still hurts), no helmet - head expodes. The two
no helmet options don't sound like fun to me.


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Old April 16th 05, 01:46 PM
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Compared with the size and mass of the human body, the helmet is indeed
negligible in both terms. An engineer would have no problem saying that
if you smash your helmet, you would have smashed your head.


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Old April 16th 05, 04:13 PM
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The issue isn't the size and mass of the human body, it's the size and
mass of the human head. A helmet adds about 10% to the weight of your
head, and raises the center of gravity relative to the pivot point (your
neck), while increasing the diameter by 5-10cm. Any engineer who tells
you those facts don't increase the chance of an impact in a fall is
trying to sell you something.

Note that I'm not saying such impacts are inherently a bad thing; they
will almost certainly be in the range of impacts a helmet can actually
protect against. I am, once again, merely pointing out that a helmet
impact would not necessarily have been a head impact.


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Old April 16th 05, 05:03 PM
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even if it wouldn't 'necessarily' have been a head impact, i bet evan is
glad that he didn't take the chance!!!

being able to show off helmet damage is much cooler than being able to
show off head damage


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Old April 16th 05, 05:19 PM
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Well judging by how hard i hit, and how much dammage there was to the
helmet i would guess if i hadnt been wearing it i would be getting
coloring books for christmas for the rest of my life.


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Old April 16th 05, 07:36 PM
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gerblefranklin wrote:
*Tom is not stupid, and is not a fool on a crusade against helmets.
There's no need to go making sarcastic attacks on his statement. All
he is doing is being realistic. The damage to a helmet is not equal
or directly comparable to that of an unguarded head in the same crash.
As far as I can tell, that is all he is saying.

And technically, assuming you didn't have a windshield, being without
a seatbelt can be better, since you could end up flying into a pool of
water or sand rather than having a hard piece of cloth crush your
collarbone (you run into a low brick wall at the edge of a harbor, for
example). *

haha yeah if you were lucky like that maybe you would fair off better.


Helmit is so better then not though I do bet that your more likely to
take a hit/slightly harder hit with one on. There's still that wiplash
efect though that you cant really stop when you fall sometimes. It just
doesnt matter what youre wairing you take a hit. The Mythbusters should
do a segmint on this.


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Old April 17th 05, 06:00 AM
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Let's face it. There are just too few candidates for the Darwin awards
lately.

So if anyone doesn't want to wear a helmet, I say fine. Let 'em wear a
ziplock baggy full of pudding if they want. Or not.

In either case, it will be all in good clean fun when we pass the
entertaining story of their death around via email next year.

Thanks in advance for the laugh.

BTW, can I have some of your stuff? Your Uni? Or maybe the unused
helmet? Any unopened pudding at least?


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Old April 17th 05, 11:20 AM
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What I want to know is why he only noticed the helmet damage -five- days
after the crash...


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Old April 17th 05, 12:58 PM
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Check out this pic......this could be that dude's skull

http://tinyurl.com/9jbfa


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