campagnolo victory or triomphe ?

Donald Gillies wrote:
"ventourist" writes:

Does anybody know what is "TUBI RINFORZATI FORMULA ONE BIANCHI
PRODUZIONE COLUMBUS" -

Butted Tubes
Bianchi One
product of Columbus

(custom-drawn tubes - bianchi named them.)
(it's pretty easy to get custom-drawn tubes
from reynolds or columbus, if you're willing to
buy 100+ pieces.)

The partial grouppo is Campagnolo Victory. The way you can tell is by
taper on the right crank spider. Lower-end Triomphe spider tapers in
a bowtie shape. Victory spider is a pure Trapezoid taper. The bad
news is that you will have the weirdo reverse threads on the left
crank arm or on both crank arms. Luckily, you seem to have
self-extracting bolts. I wouldn't remove & reinstall these bolts too
often, if they get stripped. you're totally screwed ...

The bicycle in my office right now (1985 Trek #510) is campy triomphe
(the lower model grouppo).

These grouppos were supposed to replace Nuovo Record (Triomphe) and
Super Record (Victory). It didn't stick. These two grouppos - which
were almost identical - almost killed campy - they were so plain and
downright ugly - in the early 1980's. The work great, however. Also,
the cranks are not anodized, which was a first for campagnolo, so they
can be polished to a beautiful shine without damaging the finish.

You appear to have the campagnolo retrofriction levers. These are an
upgrade from Victory/Triomphe (does it make them C-Record or Croce
D'aune ? I don't know.)

Those were one and the same: Record (aka, C-Record). IIRC, CdA (Croce
d'Aune) shared pedals (both traditional and the dismal SGR), brake
levers, and "Retro Friction" shift levers with "C-Record" and the FD,
hubs, and seatpost with Chorus. Only the crankset, RD and CdA Deltas
were exclusive to the CdA group.

Someone has put a Shimano 105 arabesque derailleur on the back of this
bicycle, and they also did something to the front brake bolt and brake
pads.

The first thing i'd do is to put a chromed dome nut on that front
brake, it looks horrible with the nut that's on there right now.

- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA, USA


I have read somewhere that 3 main tubes - from
that kind of frame - are made from columbus SL - is that true ?

Hi,
quite an amount for such an old bike. And what a size! You must be more
than 2 meters tall.
The italian phrase says that the tubes are made from reinforced steel
by Columbus. No Columbus stickers? Usually chrom-molybdenum steel.
Group determination: not for me. Good luck.

Sjef

On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:37:06 -0800, bfd wrote:

I believe the Victory and/or Triomphe chainring's bcd is 116mm.

113 or 114, ISTR,

chainrings amd 53t chainrings are still available, but anything smaller is
almost impossible to find.

I had a 51/35, which was nice. But, the previous owner had rounded the
flats for the axle, and they never would stay on.

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Thanks a lot for this very interesting and valuable answer.

John Thompson napisal(a):
On 2006-12-21, mariusz wrote:


I have just bought this bike for 169 $.
http://www.allegro.pl/item152091129_bianchi.html
I`m just wondering which campagnolo group is in that bike.
My guess - campagnolo victory from 1987 -1988 ? (except rear deralileur
- shimano 600)

Here are pictures of the Triomphe and Victory groups:

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/triomphe.pdf
http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/catalogs/victory.pdf

HTH...

--

John )

Do you have any information about COLUMBUS MATRIX ( I have benotto from
late 80`s with columbus matrix tubes). I believe columbus matrix was
early version of columbus CROMOR.