Suffering

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Ryan Cousineau wrote:

In article , z wrote:

It's a ubiquitous term in cycling, but is it fairly unique to cycling?
You don't hear about (American) football players saying they're
suffering and they're getting the living **** beaten out of them on a
play by play basis

I think the concept of suffering your way to victory is somewhat
particular to cycling.

Competition is a potlatch. The competitors keep throwing in
chips until one gives in. The chips are testosterone.
The reward is a testosterone boost, defeat brings a
testosterone production decrease.

--
Michael Press

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Mark wrote:

On Jul 9, 12:44Â*am, Ryan Cousineau wrote:

Many sports are set up in terms of combative interaction: boxing,
hockey, table tennis, you name it. In these sports, competitors are
essentially interfering with the ability of their opponents to play, and
avoiding their opponents' challenges. Players in these sports think of
themselves as actors who act, and whose actions are demonstrations of
their skill and ease at the sport.

The great sports philosopher, George Foreman, noted that all sports
are sublimations of mortal combat when he said that all sports aspire
to be boxing. Some sports are more sublimated than others.

Boxing is Foreman's sport. All in fighting has shown that
jujutsu is the king of unarmed combat, and jujutsu
itself is the logical-scientific refinement of juvenile
fighting: get inside the opponents guard, bring him to the
ground, grapple for an advantage, achieve a joint wrenching
hold or neutralize the opponent and strike at will.
Boxers lose to jujutsu.

Boxing is the art and science of hooking the opponent's jaw,
maximizing torque to the brain case.

--
Michael Press

"Michael Press" wrote in message
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Boxing is Foreman's sport. All in fighting has shown that
jujutsu is the king of unarmed combat, and jujutsu
itself is the logical-scientific refinement of juvenile
fighting: get inside the opponents guard, bring him to the
ground, grapple for an advantage, achieve a joint wrenching
hold or neutralize the opponent and strike at will.
Boxers lose to jujutsu.

Boxing is the art and science of hooking the opponent's jaw,
maximizing torque to the brain case.

Michael, you don't understand boxing at all. What's more, jujitsu is hardly
that good. A good heavyweight boxer can kill someone with a single punch and
throw that punch so fast that it can't be seen. What's more, until Ali there
were few boxers stupid enough to throw punches to the head.

On 7/9/09 3:25 PM, in article
, "Tom Kunich"
cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:

"Michael Press" wrote in message
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Boxing is Foreman's sport. All in fighting has shown that
jujutsu is the king of unarmed combat, and jujutsu
itself is the logical-scientific refinement of juvenile
fighting: get inside the opponents guard, bring him to the
ground, grapple for an advantage, achieve a joint wrenching
hold or neutralize the opponent and strike at will.
Boxers lose to jujutsu.

Boxing is the art and science of hooking the opponent's jaw,
maximizing torque to the brain case.

Michael, you don't understand boxing at all. What's more, jujitsu is hardly
that good. A good heavyweight boxer can kill someone with a single punch and
throw that punch so fast that it can't be seen. What's more, until Ali there
were few boxers stupid enough to throw punches to the head.



To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography,
and the dancers hit each other
-Jack Handey

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"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:

"Michael Press" wrote in message
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Boxing is Foreman's sport. All in fighting has shown that
jujutsu is the king of unarmed combat, and jujutsu
itself is the logical-scientific refinement of juvenile
fighting: get inside the opponents guard, bring him to the
ground, grapple for an advantage, achieve a joint wrenching
hold or neutralize the opponent and strike at will.
Boxers lose to jujutsu.

Boxing is the art and science of hooking the opponent's jaw,
maximizing torque to the brain case.

Michael, you don't understand boxing at all. What's more, jujitsu is hardly
that good. A good heavyweight boxer can kill someone with a single punch and
throw that punch so fast that it can't be seen. What's more, until Ali there
were few boxers stupid enough to throw punches to the head.

Few, but enough.

http://i.cnn.net/si/fannation/marciano-walcott.jpg
http://www.virginmedia.com/images/marciano-walcott.jpg

--
Michael Press

On Jul 10, 12:25*am, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Michael Press" wrote in message

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Boxing is Foreman's sport. All in fighting has shown that
jujutsu is the king of unarmed combat, and jujutsu
itself is the logical-scientific refinement of juvenile
fighting: get inside the opponents guard, bring him to the
ground, grapple for an advantage, achieve a joint wrenching
hold or neutralize the opponent and strike at will.
Boxers lose to jujutsu.

Boxing is the art and science of hooking the opponent's jaw,
maximizing torque to the brain case.

Michael, you don't understand boxing at all. What's more, jujitsu is hardly
that good. A good heavyweight boxer can kill someone with a single punch and
throw that punch so fast that it can't be seen. What's more, until Ali there
were few boxers stupid enough to throw punches to the head.

If I recall correctly Brazilian Jiu Jitsu crushed all other combat
techniques in the first years of MMA, including boxing. Since then it
has been at the core of MMA fighting.

-ilan

-ilan

"Michael Press" wrote in message
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"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:

"Michael Press" wrote in message
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Boxing is Foreman's sport. All in fighting has shown that
jujutsu is the king of unarmed combat, and jujutsu
itself is the logical-scientific refinement of juvenile
fighting: get inside the opponents guard, bring him to the
ground, grapple for an advantage, achieve a joint wrenching
hold or neutralize the opponent and strike at will.
Boxers lose to jujutsu.

Boxing is the art and science of hooking the opponent's jaw,
maximizing torque to the brain case.

Michael, you don't understand boxing at all. What's more, jujitsu is
hardly
that good. A good heavyweight boxer can kill someone with a single punch
and
throw that punch so fast that it can't be seen. What's more, until Ali
there
were few boxers stupid enough to throw punches to the head.

Few, but enough.

http://i.cnn.net/si/fannation/marciano-walcott.jpg
http://www.virginmedia.com/images/marciano-walcott.jpg

And again you don't know what you're looking at. Those guys were worn
completely out and slowed down with a plethora of body blows and then
usually a single punch to the jaw put them out. Not this beating someone's
face into jelly.

On Jul 9, 6:25*pm, "Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Michael Press" wrote in message

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Boxing is Foreman's sport. All in fighting has shown that
jujutsu is the king of unarmed combat, and jujutsu
itself is the logical-scientific refinement of juvenile
fighting: get inside the opponents guard, bring him to the
ground, grapple for an advantage, achieve a joint wrenching
hold or neutralize the opponent and strike at will.
Boxers lose to jujutsu.

Boxing is the art and science of hooking the opponent's jaw,
maximizing torque to the brain case.

Michael, you don't understand boxing at all. What's more, jujitsu is hardly
that good. A good heavyweight boxer can kill someone with a single punch and
throw that punch so fast that it can't be seen. What's more, until Ali there
were few boxers stupid enough to throw punches to the head.

A good cyclist can kill someone by riding into them at 30 mph (if
they're not wearing a helmet).

Throw a punch so fast it can't be seen... Interesting. Are they
violating the laws of physics and optics, or have they found some way
to decrease their arm mass to zero? Increase their power to infinity
(and beyond)?

Fights end quickly with blows to the head. Everything up to that
point is an attempt to set up a blow to the head. Arguing that the
aim of boxing isn't to stop the fight as quickly as possible is a
curious statement.

It's curious that many boxers visit this thing called a "knockout"
upon their opponent. I believe it has something to do with a blow to
the head. See how many times the word "knockout" is used in this
short biography of a boxer that was one of the stupid boxers before
Ali.

In your defense, I can only surmise that you were hit in the head a
lot when you were a kid.

R

Michael Press wrote:
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"Tom Kunich" cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:

"Michael Press" wrote in message
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Boxing is Foreman's sport. All in fighting has shown that
jujutsu is the king of unarmed combat, and jujutsu
itself is the logical-scientific refinement of juvenile
fighting: get inside the opponents guard, bring him to the
ground, grapple for an advantage, achieve a joint wrenching
hold or neutralize the opponent and strike at will.
Boxers lose to jujutsu.

Boxing is the art and science of hooking the opponent's jaw,
maximizing torque to the brain case.
Michael, you don't understand boxing at all. What's more, jujitsu is hardly
that good. A good heavyweight boxer can kill someone with a single punch and
throw that punch so fast that it can't be seen. What's more, until Ali there
were few boxers stupid enough to throw punches to the head.

Few, but enough.

http://i.cnn.net/si/fannation/marciano-walcott.jpg
http://www.virginmedia.com/images/marciano-walcott.jpg


http://www.prophetsplace.com/aliinoki.shtml

"Jim Feeley" wrote in message
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On 7/9/09 3:25 PM, in article
, "Tom Kunich"
cyclintom@yahoo. com wrote:
"Michael Press" wrote in message
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Boxing is the art and science of hooking the opponent's jaw,
maximizing torque to the brain case.

Michael, you don't understand boxing at all. What's more, jujitsu is
hardly
that good. A good heavyweight boxer can kill someone with a single punch
and
throw that punch so fast that it can't be seen. What's more, until Ali
there
were few boxers stupid enough to throw punches to the head.

To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography,
and the dancers hit each other

Don't get me wrong, I don't like boxing. But I was golden gloves and my
father, uncles and brother were boxers. I also studied Judo and Karate and
understand the strengths and weaknesses of each.