Non competitive time trial.

Too fast, poor conditions, faulty brake.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Cycli...ail/story.html

On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:32:46 +0100, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

Too fast, poor conditions, faulty brake.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Cycli...ail/story.html


Time trial - my arse.

Racing on the public highway should be banned.

I wonder if it was suicide?

My thoughts are with her family.

On 15/08/2011 10:28, Judith wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:32:46 +0100, wrote:

Too fast, poor conditions, faulty brake.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Cycli...ail/story.html


Time trial - my arse.

Racing on the public highway should be banned.

I wonder if it was suicide?

My thoughts are with her family.


Not a time trial and not a race.

Audax

Look it up.

--
Roger Thorpe

On Aug 14, 6:32*pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Too fast, poor conditions, faulty brake.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Cycli...-s-trailer/sto...

"The van driver, Stephen Williams, said he was heading to Coaley and
was in no hurry because he was early."

You know sometimes the accuracy required to control a goods vehicle
and trailer are momentarily lost when looking at a watch or mobile
phone to accertain the time.

You have no idea whether the examining officer's judgement is correct
as regards the adjustment of the front brake on the bike as no test
procedure was given..

"thirty-six" wrote in message
...
On Aug 14, 6:32 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Too fast, poor conditions, faulty brake.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Cycli...-s-trailer/sto...

"The van driver, Stephen Williams, said he was heading to Coaley and
was in no hurry because he was early."

You know sometimes the accuracy required to control a goods vehicle
and trailer are momentarily lost when looking at a watch or mobile
phone to accertain the time.

You have no idea whether the examining officer's judgement is correct
as regards the adjustment of the front brake on the bike as no test
procedure was given..

The report does not state that the driver was checking his watch.

She could not stop in time (too fast)

The weather conditions were poor.

A qualified officer says there was a minor fault with the brake.

On Aug 16, 9:01*am, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
"thirty-six" wrote in message

...
On Aug 14, 6:32 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

Too fast, poor conditions, faulty brake.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Cycli...-s-trailer/sto...

"The van driver, Stephen Williams, said he was heading to Coaley and
was in no hurry because he was early."

You know sometimes the accuracy required to control a goods vehicle
and trailer are momentarily lost when looking at a watch or mobile
phone to accertain the time.

You have no idea whether the examining officer's judgement is correct
as regards the adjustment of the front brake on the bike as no test
procedure was given..

The report does not state that the driver was checking his watch.

Was the driver asked how he knew he was early, checking a watch is the
normal way, or do you think he looked over his shoulder at the
Grandfather clock in the back?


She could not stop in time (too fast)

It sounds like the van driver stopped with his trailer still under the
bridge, the cyclist may not have seen the trailer, it could possibly
have been a malicious act on the part of the driver or a simple
mistake on his part. What colour was the tralier? Did it have lights
on? Stopping under the shade of a bridge can have serious
consewquences particularly when the vehicle or trailer is not lit.

The weather conditions were poor.

And the driver failed to use his lights or issue any warning. If he
had, it would have been reported.

A qualified officer says there was a minor fault with the brake.

Probably not of consequence then. It is more likely, given the total
lack of evidence to the contrary that the cyclist did not see the dark
unlit trailer stopped (unlawfully causing an obstruction) under the
bridge and careered into it. It's rare, but trailer operators should
be aware of the implications of stopping in such a position. I
believe that the modern driving test does not automatically entitle
the driver to use a trailer. Nothing was said about the drivers
history so we don't know he was even qualified to draw a trailer.

"Though it was not raining at the time, the road was wet, which
accident investigator PC David Holland said may have had an effect
when combined with a slight maladjusted front brake."

Thanks for letting me re-appraise the report. From the paper's report
I can only conclude the officer did not test the brake himself. He
did not examine the brake. "May have had an effect when combined with
a slight maladjusted front brake." sounds totally hypothetical.
Nobody said the brake was maladjusted or what constituded the
hypothetical maladjustment. Nobody said there was an effect upon
braking, hypothetically or not.

Your conclusions are clearly not supported by the evidence available.
It seems highly probable that the majority of blame lies with the van
driver. It has been deemed an accident, that's all we know for sure.

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:22:56 +0100, Roger Thorpe
wrote:

On 15/08/2011 10:28, Judith wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:32:46 +0100, wrote:

Too fast, poor conditions, faulty brake.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Cycli...ail/story.html


Time trial - my arse.

Racing on the public highway should be banned.

I wonder if it was suicide?

My thoughts are with her family.


Not a time trial and not a race.

Audax

Look it up.


I have:

It was stated to be a time trial :

"Pat Appleton regularly rode long distances with the Stroud Valleys Cycling
Club and was on the return leg of a non-competitive 100km time trial between
Bristol and Epney, Gloucestershire, when she died."


A time trial is a race.

"thirty-six" wrote in message
...
On Aug 16, 9:01 am, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
"thirty-six" wrote in message

...
On Aug 14, 6:32 pm, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

Too fast, poor conditions, faulty brake.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Cycli...-s-trailer/sto...

"The van driver, Stephen Williams, said he was heading to Coaley and
was in no hurry because he was early."

You know sometimes the accuracy required to control a goods vehicle
and trailer are momentarily lost when looking at a watch or mobile
phone to accertain the time.

You have no idea whether the examining officer's judgement is correct
as regards the adjustment of the front brake on the bike as no test
procedure was given..

The report does not state that the driver was checking his watch.

Was the driver asked how he knew he was early, checking a watch is the
normal way, or do you think he looked over his shoulder at the
Grandfather clock in the back?


She could not stop in time (too fast)

It sounds like the van driver stopped with his trailer still under the
bridge, the cyclist may not have seen the trailer, it could possibly
have been a malicious act on the part of the driver or a simple
mistake on his part. What colour was the tralier? Did it have lights
on? Stopping under the shade of a bridge can have serious
consewquences particularly when the vehicle or trailer is not lit.

The weather conditions were poor.

And the driver failed to use his lights or issue any warning. If he
had, it would have been reported.

A qualified officer says there was a minor fault with the brake.

Probably not of consequence then. It is more likely, given the total
lack of evidence to the contrary that the cyclist did not see the dark
unlit trailer stopped (unlawfully causing an obstruction) under the
bridge and careered into it. It's rare, but trailer operators should
be aware of the implications of stopping in such a position. I
believe that the modern driving test does not automatically entitle
the driver to use a trailer. Nothing was said about the drivers
history so we don't know he was even qualified to draw a trailer.

"Though it was not raining at the time, the road was wet, which
accident investigator PC David Holland said may have had an effect
when combined with a slight maladjusted front brake."

Thanks for letting me re-appraise the report. From the paper's report
I can only conclude the officer did not test the brake himself. He
did not examine the brake. "May have had an effect when combined with
a slight maladjusted front brake." sounds totally hypothetical.
Nobody said the brake was maladjusted or what constituded the
hypothetical maladjustment. Nobody said there was an effect upon
braking, hypothetically or not.

Your conclusions are clearly not supported by the evidence available.
It seems highly probable that the majority of blame lies with the van
driver. It has been deemed an accident, that's all we know for sure.

If I leave home or work at a certain time it is easy to know whether I am
late or early, there is no need to look at watches or anything else while
driving.

it would not matter whether the lorry had stopped or not, the cycle ploughed
into it, the only inference can be that she was travelling too fast for the
conditions and her abilities.

On 16/08/2011 13:19, Judith wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:22:56 +0100, Roger Thorpe
wrote:

On 15/08/2011 10:28, Judith wrote:
On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:32:46 +0100, wrote:

Too fast, poor conditions, faulty brake.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Cycli...ail/story.html


Time trial - my arse.

Racing on the public highway should be banned.

I wonder if it was suicide?

My thoughts are with her family.


Not a time trial and not a race.

Audax

Look it up.


I have:

It was stated to be a time trial :

"Pat Appleton regularly rode long distances with the Stroud Valleys Cycling
Club and was on the return leg of a non-competitive 100km time trial between
Bristol and Epney, Gloucestershire, when she died."


A time trial is a race.

Yes, that is what a court reporter of a local paper wrote.
You know, from your obsessive posting in this group that a
'non-competitive time-trial' is unlikely.
You have a machine in front of you that has access to information from a
wide range of sources.
Why not look further?

--
Roger Thorpe

On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:34:58 +0100, Roger Thorpe
wrote:

You have a machine in front of you that has access to information from a
wide range of sources.
Why not look further?

All Googling would do is show her all the other places which are
"wrong".

I have this disturbing picture of a red-faced harridan on a Dutch bike
with no front brake riding along in an audax haranguing people for not
keeping in the gutter and wearing helmets while they are engaging in
illegal and dangerous mass races on the public roads.

Made me chuckle, anyway, knowing the local audax crowd, who tend to
beards and paunches more than carbon fibre.

Guy
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