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"Radey Shouman" wrote in message ... jbeattie writes: On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 9:20:14 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 7:42:10 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote: John B. Alocomb writes: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 23:37:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/15/2017 8:19 PM, John B. wrote: My wife's eldest sister married a Usian and moved to the U.S. Her son married a "Native American" woman who I recently met when the family visited Thailand and she assured me that the "Native Americans" were a peace loving group. Unfortunately my family had lived in New England since the 1600's and at least one of the daughters of our tribe was kidnapped by "Indians" and never seen again and a number of the male members were "murdered" by the "savages". Two disparate points to relate: I've done some reading on the eastern Amerindian's kidnapping practice. Apparently, in the moral system of many of the tribes, it was not considered an evil act or an act of revenge. It was often "The white people killed one of our tribe, so they owe us a person." And the person (child, usually) who was taken became a fully adopted member of the tribe, and often had no wish to return to white society. You might say "Stockholm syndrome," but I think that humans are simply far more complicated than we normally believe. There is at least one authenticated case of a woman who was kidnapped by one of the western tribes and lived for a considerable time with them. When she was "freed" she apparently became very depressed and wanted to return to the tribe. This was apparently denied, after all she had just been freed from captivity.. You're probably thinking of Cynthia Anne Parker, who was taken captive by Commanches in Texas. She was the mother of Quanah Parker, the last independent chief of the Commanches. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Ann_Parker Half of all the Indians in the USA were in California. They warred continuously against one another. Hunter/Gather societies tend to do that. Farming communities less so except when arable land is in short supply. When the Spanish installed the Mission system in California the claim by many people who aren't very bright is that they enslaved these Indians to farm in the Missions. The Indians so hated this that when the Spanish-Mexican War cut the funding for the Missions and the Priests went back to Spain, the tribes who were from many tribes retained the names of the Missions as their tribal names and remained farmers. Enslaved indeed. Yes, the Spaniards were well known for bringing joy and happiness to the natives of North and Central America. Native populations skyrocketed during the mission period! They were so happy! Singing and dancing and praising the Lord. They weren't all sweetness and light, but they weren't as hard on the natives as the French and Dutch, and not nearly as hard as the English. On another continent, the Germans and Beglians win some sort of prize. Britain had to join the EEC because or empire was ****ed and we couldn't pay our way without it - now our Tories have told the EU to **** off; we'll probably be subjugating spear chuckers again quite soon. |
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On 6/21/2017 1:03 PM, Ian Field wrote:
"Radey Shouman" wrote in message ... jbeattie writes: On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 9:20:14 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 7:42:10 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote: John B. Alocomb writes: On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 23:37:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 6/15/2017 8:19 PM, John B. wrote: My wife's eldest sister married a Usian and moved to the U.S. Her son married a "Native American" woman who I recently met when the family visited Thailand and she assured me that the "Native Americans" were a peace loving group. Unfortunately my family had lived in New England since the 1600's and at least one of the daughters of our tribe was kidnapped by "Indians" and never seen again and a number of the male members were "murdered" by the "savages". Two disparate points to relate: I've done some reading on the eastern Amerindian's kidnapping practice. Apparently, in the moral system of many of the tribes, it was not considered an evil act or an act of revenge. It was often "The white people killed one of our tribe, so they owe us a person." And the person (child, usually) who was taken became a fully adopted member of the tribe, and often had no wish to return to white society. You might say "Stockholm syndrome," but I think that humans are simply far more complicated than we normally believe. There is at least one authenticated case of a woman who was kidnapped by one of the western tribes and lived for a considerable time with them. When she was "freed" she apparently became very depressed and wanted to return to the tribe. This was apparently denied, after all she had just been freed from captivity.. You're probably thinking of Cynthia Anne Parker, who was taken captive by Commanches in Texas. She was the mother of Quanah Parker, the last independent chief of the Commanches. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_Ann_Parker Half of all the Indians in the USA were in California. They warred continuously against one another. Hunter/Gather societies tend to do that. Farming communities less so except when arable land is in short supply. When the Spanish installed the Mission system in California the claim by many people who aren't very bright is that they enslaved these Indians to farm in the Missions. The Indians so hated this that when the Spanish-Mexican War cut the funding for the Missions and the Priests went back to Spain, the tribes who were from many tribes retained the names of the Missions as their tribal names and remained farmers. Enslaved indeed. Yes, the Spaniards were well known for bringing joy and happiness to the natives of North and Central America. Native populations skyrocketed during the mission period! They were so happy! Singing and dancing and praising the Lord. They weren't all sweetness and light, but they weren't as hard on the natives as the French and Dutch, and not nearly as hard as the English. On another continent, the Germans and Beglians win some sort of prize. Britain had to join the EEC because or empire was ****ed and we couldn't pay our way without it - now our Tories have told the EU to **** off; we'll probably be subjugating spear chuckers again quite soon. "Whatever happens, we have the Maxim and they have not. " -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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