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Old May 6th 17, 09:21 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sat, 06 May 2017 04:17:11 +0200, Emanuel Berg
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John B Slocomb wrote:

And, if the bureaucracy were able to solve
the issues in China in the 20th century, why
did the country disintegrate completely with
the war lords running amok, not being
capable of fighting of the Japanese, and why
did it require an all but endless civil war
and bloody revolution to get the country
back on track?


It is a rather complex subject but
essentially China found that as they were,
actually, self sufficient there was no reason
to associate with the rest of the world and
didn't. Unfortunately while China stagnated
the rest of the world didn't, and when
confronted with a vastly superior technology
they disintegrated.


OK, so they were over-confident and arrogant,
and in the beginning they could back this up
but soon that changed and they didn't. It is
just like in fantasy and science fiction movies
where the nemesis always loose because of
over-confidence.


Well over confident can have many meanings. The earliest ruling
Chinese dynasty that can be identified with any certainty is the Shang
Dynasty which ruled China from 1500 - 1046 B.C. Perhaps history gave
them some confidence -)


Actually when you meet Chinese people many seem
cold and perhaps not exactly arrogant but not
to eager to communicate either, put it that
way. I am unsure if this is some cultural thing
which I incorrectly interpret as arrogance or
if that is actually what it is.


I don't believe that is a racial thing. At least my wife, who's father
was born in China isn't "cold and perhaps arrogant".... at least not
all of the time :-)

On the other hand, the Chinese term for China was, historically, "the
middle kingdom" - half way between heaven and earth. And of course
they do refer to any foreigner as a "Foreign devil" occasionally :-)

Compare Japanese people which are very social
and friendly (except when they drink alcohol).


The native Japanese are distrustful of foreigners, to the extent that
even a native born Japanese who spent a long period of time outside
Japan are viewed with some suspicion when they return home. (what
nasty foreign habits might they have picked up?)
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Old May 6th 17, 01:39 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 5/5/2017 8:44 PM, John B Slocomb wrote:
On Fri, 05 May 2017 23:00:37 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

Still, it doesn't seem they got that many
things done

Eh? What do you know about it? China ran MUCH
better than most other countries. It had
a population so much larger than any other
country that if they didn't run efficiently
they didn't run at all.


China is so big, it is more like a world to
itself than a nation like Japan, probably not
even comparable to today's Brazil, Russia, or
the USA. India is perhaps the only comparison?

China of lore and legend is a completely
different issue and there is no denying all the
amazing things they did, but creative,
industrial, and "monumental".


Well, they did developer a system wherein the largest nation in the
world fed and clothed their citizens far better then any other nation
in the world. And they did this when the rest of the world was still
wiping their butts with their fingers.

At the height of the Qing dynasty (1644-1911) China ruled more than
one-third of the world's population, and had the largest economy in
the world. By area it was one of the largest empires ever.


However in the 20th century and probably
a couple of hundred years before that they seem
to have lost something, which the encounter
with the British shows. Not exactly as the
encounters with the Mongols in the 13th
century...


Rather like Denmark, isn't it. After all the "Danes" conquered much of
England and Ireland and ruled it up until somebody came along and
kicked them off the throne :-)


And, if the bureaucracy were able to solve the
issues in China in the 20th century, why did
the country disintegrate completely with the
war lords running amok, not being capable of
fighting of the Japanese, and why did it
require an all but endless civil war and bloody
revolution to get the country back on track?


It is a rather complex subject but essentially China found that as
they were, actually, self sufficient there was no reason to associate
with the rest of the world and didn't. Unfortunately while China
stagnated the rest of the world didn't, and when confronted with a
vastly superior technology they disintegrated.


You speak of Mongols with advanced technology like stirrups,
I assume.

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Old May 6th 17, 02:19 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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stirrups ?

generalizing abt tech development in remote ancient China ?

or abt Chinese attitudes when traveling in the West ?

we have trouble generalizing abt the French and Indian War ...now Civil War !

If Berg wud sharpen his English reading skills try an ancient scifi: THE MOTE IN GOD'S EYE

Asians have an excellent hand eye coordination level. Feed well. Allow free time.



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Old May 7th 17, 12:37 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sat, 06 May 2017 07:39:27 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 5/5/2017 8:44 PM, John B Slocomb wrote:
On Fri, 05 May 2017 23:00:37 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

Still, it doesn't seem they got that many
things done

Eh? What do you know about it? China ran MUCH
better than most other countries. It had
a population so much larger than any other
country that if they didn't run efficiently
they didn't run at all.

China is so big, it is more like a world to
itself than a nation like Japan, probably not
even comparable to today's Brazil, Russia, or
the USA. India is perhaps the only comparison?

China of lore and legend is a completely
different issue and there is no denying all the
amazing things they did, but creative,
industrial, and "monumental".


Well, they did developer a system wherein the largest nation in the
world fed and clothed their citizens far better then any other nation
in the world. And they did this when the rest of the world was still
wiping their butts with their fingers.

At the height of the Qing dynasty (1644-1911) China ruled more than
one-third of the world's population, and had the largest economy in
the world. By area it was one of the largest empires ever.


However in the 20th century and probably
a couple of hundred years before that they seem
to have lost something, which the encounter
with the British shows. Not exactly as the
encounters with the Mongols in the 13th
century...


Rather like Denmark, isn't it. After all the "Danes" conquered much of
England and Ireland and ruled it up until somebody came along and
kicked them off the throne :-)


And, if the bureaucracy were able to solve the
issues in China in the 20th century, why did
the country disintegrate completely with the
war lords running amok, not being capable of
fighting of the Japanese, and why did it
require an all but endless civil war and bloody
revolution to get the country back on track?


It is a rather complex subject but essentially China found that as
they were, actually, self sufficient there was no reason to associate
with the rest of the world and didn't. Unfortunately while China
stagnated the rest of the world didn't, and when confronted with a
vastly superior technology they disintegrated.


You speak of Mongols with advanced technology like stirrups,
I assume.


Disregarding, for the moment, the stirrups that were a really
innovative inventio.

The first Mogul Dynasty, the Yuan dynasty (C.E. 1271 - 1368) lasted
less then a hundred years. Hardly a moment in China's history.

But the stirrup has been described as one of the most significant
inventions in the history of warfare, prior to gunpowder.
The Moguls weren't the inventor of the stirrup as it was used much
earlier, There is some evidence that they might have been used as
early as 500 B.C.E. but the first dependable representation of a rider
with paired stirrups was found in China in a Jin Dynasty tomb near
Nanjing dated approximately 322 C.E.;

(Note: The abbreviations B.C.E. and C.E. refer to periods before Jesus
Christ and the period after his death.)

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The Moguls weren't the inventor of the stirrup ?

same deal

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