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Old June 29th 17, 03:36 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On the singletrack yesterday I rode mostly slow and just "bombed" a few
sections. Didn't crash but there was enough opportunity. Shortly before
arriving home I called my wife as usual so she knew when I'd be back for
dinner. Stuffed the phone back in a pannier, donned my helmet and then
.... CRRRRUSH ... I slid down 2ft and scraped open a knee a little. Turns
out the ground where I was standing gave way and it along with myself
went down while the bike stayed up there.

Weird. Decomposed granite isn't what it used to be in the good old days.

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Old June 29th 17, 03:45 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 6/29/2017 9:36 AM, Joerg wrote:
On the singletrack yesterday I rode mostly slow and just
"bombed" a few sections. Didn't crash but there was enough
opportunity. Shortly before arriving home I called my wife
as usual so she knew when I'd be back for dinner. Stuffed
the phone back in a pannier, donned my helmet and then ...
CRRRRUSH ... I slid down 2ft and scraped open a knee a
little. Turns out the ground where I was standing gave way
and it along with myself went down while the bike stayed up
there.

Weird. Decomposed granite isn't what it used to be in the
good old days.


Right. We need more public infrastructure because every
political administration and civil engineering construction
firm is dead honest and competent:

http://www.latimes.com/world/brazil/...423-story.html

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Old June 29th 17, 04:00 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2017-06-29 07:45, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/29/2017 9:36 AM, Joerg wrote:
On the singletrack yesterday I rode mostly slow and just
"bombed" a few sections. Didn't crash but there was enough
opportunity. Shortly before arriving home I called my wife
as usual so she knew when I'd be back for dinner. Stuffed
the phone back in a pannier, donned my helmet and then ...
CRRRRUSH ... I slid down 2ft and scraped open a knee a
little. Turns out the ground where I was standing gave way
and it along with myself went down while the bike stayed up
there.

Weird. Decomposed granite isn't what it used to be in the
good old days.


Right. We need more public infrastructure because every political
administration and civil engineering construction firm is dead honest
and competent:

http://www.latimes.com/world/brazil/...423-story.html


Ouch!

A few days ago a news anchor here said that there was an advisory
message to American River Bike Path cyclists to always keep their eyes
on the asphalt because of sinkholes. I came by one of those once and it
could have swallowed a whole bike but it was already marked. Took a photo:

http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Sinkhole.JPG

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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Old June 29th 17, 04:01 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 7:45:22 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/29/2017 9:36 AM, Joerg wrote:
On the singletrack yesterday I rode mostly slow and just
"bombed" a few sections. Didn't crash but there was enough
opportunity. Shortly before arriving home I called my wife
as usual so she knew when I'd be back for dinner. Stuffed
the phone back in a pannier, donned my helmet and then ...
CRRRRUSH ... I slid down 2ft and scraped open a knee a
little. Turns out the ground where I was standing gave way
and it along with myself went down while the bike stayed up
there.

Weird. Decomposed granite isn't what it used to be in the
good old days.


Right. We need more public infrastructure because every
political administration and civil engineering construction
firm is dead honest and competent:

http://www.latimes.com/world/brazil/...423-story.html


I think we already made this point that bicycle paths are bound to be built cutting corners. Roads a lot less likely. So we should be punishing auto drivers who abuse other road users.

Tuesday I was riding on a road in a rich area of town. I counted about 20 cars passing me and although the slow lane was 30 feet wide and the center lane wide open the cars that took very close passes by me were all Prius's.
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Old June 29th 17, 04:07 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 8:00:07 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-06-29 07:45, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/29/2017 9:36 AM, Joerg wrote:
On the singletrack yesterday I rode mostly slow and just
"bombed" a few sections. Didn't crash but there was enough
opportunity. Shortly before arriving home I called my wife
as usual so she knew when I'd be back for dinner. Stuffed
the phone back in a pannier, donned my helmet and then ...
CRRRRUSH ... I slid down 2ft and scraped open a knee a
little. Turns out the ground where I was standing gave way
and it along with myself went down while the bike stayed up
there.

Weird. Decomposed granite isn't what it used to be in the
good old days.


Right. We need more public infrastructure because every political
administration and civil engineering construction firm is dead honest
and competent:

http://www.latimes.com/world/brazil/...423-story.html


Ouch!

A few days ago a news anchor here said that there was an advisory
message to American River Bike Path cyclists to always keep their eyes
on the asphalt because of sinkholes. I came by one of those once and it
could have swallowed a whole bike but it was already marked. Took a photo:

http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Sinkhole.JPG


Locally we have Redwood Rd. closed because the road began to move in the rains when cracks were not repaired and this allowed water to penetrate and loosen a fairly large area. Now they are saying that it will take a year or more to repair this.

Palomares had a landslide down onto the road and it was supposed to be open by the first of July. Now it's been put off till the end of August.

I was riding up Norris Canyon Rd and about 2/3rds of the way up the road is far above and directly next to a deep canyon. The road is developing cracks that 10:1 they don't repair until the road falls completely away.

If the put so little thought and planning into roads you don't think that they will put any into bicycle paths do you?
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Old June 29th 17, 05:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 8:00:07 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-06-29 07:45, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/29/2017 9:36 AM, Joerg wrote:
On the singletrack yesterday I rode mostly slow and just
"bombed" a few sections. Didn't crash but there was enough
opportunity. Shortly before arriving home I called my wife
as usual so she knew when I'd be back for dinner. Stuffed
the phone back in a pannier, donned my helmet and then ...
CRRRRUSH ... I slid down 2ft and scraped open a knee a
little. Turns out the ground where I was standing gave way
and it along with myself went down while the bike stayed up
there.

Weird. Decomposed granite isn't what it used to be in the
good old days.


Right. We need more public infrastructure because every political
administration and civil engineering construction firm is dead honest
and competent:

http://www.latimes.com/world/brazil/...423-story.html


Ouch!

A few days ago a news anchor here said that there was an advisory
message to American River Bike Path cyclists to always keep their eyes
on the asphalt because of sinkholes. I came by one of those once and it
could have swallowed a whole bike but it was already marked. Took a photo:

http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Sinkhole.JPG

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


Doesn't look like a sinkhole. Looks like plain ol washout. Sinkholes look like this:
https://www.google.com/search?q=sink...MMT8i0IAVDSaM:

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Old June 29th 17, 08:00 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Joerg[_2_]
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On 2017-06-29 08:07, wrote:
On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 8:00:07 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-06-29 07:45, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/29/2017 9:36 AM, Joerg wrote:
On the singletrack yesterday I rode mostly slow and just
"bombed" a few sections. Didn't crash but there was enough
opportunity. Shortly before arriving home I called my wife as
usual so she knew when I'd be back for dinner. Stuffed the
phone back in a pannier, donned my helmet and then ... CRRRRUSH
... I slid down 2ft and scraped open a knee a little. Turns out
the ground where I was standing gave way and it along with
myself went down while the bike stayed up there.

Weird. Decomposed granite isn't what it used to be in the good
old days.


Right. We need more public infrastructure because every
political administration and civil engineering construction firm
is dead honest and competent:

http://www.latimes.com/world/brazil/...423-story.html




Ouch!

A few days ago a news anchor here said that there was an advisory
message to American River Bike Path cyclists to always keep their
eyes on the asphalt because of sinkholes. I came by one of those
once and it could have swallowed a whole bike but it was already
marked. Took a photo:

http://www.analogconsultants.com/ng/bike/Sinkhole.JPG


Locally we have Redwood Rd. closed because the road began to move in
the rains when cracks were not repaired and this allowed water to
penetrate and loosen a fairly large area. Now they are saying that it
will take a year or more to repair this.

Palomares had a landslide down onto the road and it was supposed to
be open by the first of July. Now it's been put off till the end of
August.

I was riding up Norris Canyon Rd and about 2/3rds of the way up the
road is far above and directly next to a deep canyon. The road is
developing cracks that 10:1 they don't repair until the road falls
completely away.

If the put so little thought and planning into roads you don't think
that they will put any into bicycle paths do you?


Correct. We still have all the rock slide debris and zero information
what is going to happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-5h5drx_9A

The taxpayer-funded response was this:

http://www.sacramentorunning.com/wp-...il-closure.jpg

Similar on roads. The leftists raised the road taxes again, promised the
usual rose garden and what happens seems to be ... nothing.

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Old June 29th 17, 10:20 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 3:00:54 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
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Correct. We still have all the rock slide debris and zero information
what is going to happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-5h5drx_9A

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That's not so bad. Just ride over it on your mountain bike. ;) LOL

Cheers
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Old June 29th 17, 11:58 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Joerg[_2_]
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On 2017-06-29 14:20, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 3:00:54 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
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Correct. We still have all the rock slide debris and zero information
what is going to happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-5h5drx_9A

Snipped

That's not so bad. Just ride over it on your mountain bike. ;) LOL


There are two more rock slides that happened a few weeks later. Yes,
people ride around it or shoulder their bikes but when a ranger sees
that it can get very expensive.

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Old June 30th 17, 01:19 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 8:01:53 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 7:45:22 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 6/29/2017 9:36 AM, Joerg wrote:
On the singletrack yesterday I rode mostly slow and just
"bombed" a few sections. Didn't crash but there was enough
opportunity. Shortly before arriving home I called my wife
as usual so she knew when I'd be back for dinner. Stuffed
the phone back in a pannier, donned my helmet and then ...
CRRRRUSH ... I slid down 2ft and scraped open a knee a
little. Turns out the ground where I was standing gave way
and it along with myself went down while the bike stayed up
there.

Weird. Decomposed granite isn't what it used to be in the
good old days.


Right. We need more public infrastructure because every
political administration and civil engineering construction
firm is dead honest and competent:

http://www.latimes.com/world/brazil/...423-story.html


I think we already made this point that bicycle paths are bound to be built cutting corners. Roads a lot less likely. So we should be punishing auto drivers who abuse other road users.

Tuesday I was riding on a road in a rich area of town. I counted about 20 cars passing me and although the slow lane was 30 feet wide and the center lane wide open the cars that took very close passes by me were all Prius's..


I've seen some pretty swanky bicycle infrastructure that is beautifully constructed and paved -- but still dangerous because of design. Corner-cutting comes in many flavors -- and sometimes the designers don't even see the corners. They think the facility is super-deluxe when it's a death trap.

-- Jay Beattie.

 




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