Hamburg G20 summit protests and bicycles

On 7/9/2017 8:42 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 22:20:50 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

Sepp Ruf wrote:

What a sorry level of metallurgical
experimentation -- and they probably weren't
even Swedes ;-O

Don't count on it! I participated in the
protests against the G8 meeting in Heiligendamm
some 10 years ago. There was ultra-violence
there as well to be sure but in Hamburg they
seem to have taken it to the next level.

As an admitted "terrorist" can you tell us what the positive results
of your protest was?

Other then the gratuitous destruction of other people's property, that
is.


I'm sure Hizzoner Mr Wilhelm (who changed his name to De
Blasio for the purpose of winning his election) could elucidate:

http://nypost.com/2017/07/09/de-blas...ug-in-hamburg/

Hint: Post cover headline is "Deutsch Bag" which pretty well
summarizes this escapade.

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On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 21:04:10 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 7/9/2017 8:42 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 22:20:50 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

Sepp Ruf wrote:

What a sorry level of metallurgical
experimentation -- and they probably weren't
even Swedes ;-O

Don't count on it! I participated in the
protests against the G8 meeting in Heiligendamm
some 10 years ago. There was ultra-violence
there as well to be sure but in Hamburg they
seem to have taken it to the next level.

As an admitted "terrorist" can you tell us what the positive results
of your protest was?

Other then the gratuitous destruction of other people's property, that
is.


I'm sure Hizzoner Mr Wilhelm (who changed his name to De
Blasio for the purpose of winning his election) could elucidate:

http://nypost.com/2017/07/09/de-blas...ug-in-hamburg/

Hint: Post cover headline is "Deutsch Bag" which pretty well
summarizes this escapade.

Politics 101: Disregard facts and say whatever you believe that "the
people" want to hear.
--
Cheers,

John B.

BONG BONG

https://goo.gl/8BhrnK

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 3:21:55 PM UTC-7, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:32:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

reputed Marxists ...
I acquired the idea they are anarchists.

Karl Marx was not an anarchist. As Wikipedia offers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_and_Marxism
Marxism has tended to be a theoretical or analytical discourse
about revolutionary strategy.
Anarchism has tended to be an ethical discourse about
revolutionary practice.
Ummm... right.

Maybe they have a five year plan ?

That was the Communists starting in about 1928:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_five-year_plan_(Soviet_Union)
They gave up on the idea when they discovered that nobody in Russia
could afford a 5 year calendar.

was good TV ?

Although there was something resembling a TV starting in about 1928,
modern television didn't really take off until 1953, when RCA finally
figured out how to make NTSC function.

Kropotkin Lives !

He died in 1921. Quite an oddity for an anarchist as he was from a
wealthy land owning family. He does kinda look like a modern day
hipster:
https://www.google.com/search?q=kropotkin&tbm=isch

Marx planned the horrors of the world. Any government big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take all you have. And they have in every single case in history with the most extreme cases those of North Korea and East Germany. They went from Facism to Communism and the common man couldn't detect a difference.

John B. wrote:

As an admitted "terrorist" can you tell us
what the positive results of your
protest was?

Other then the gratuitous destruction of
other people's property, that is.

It is just the immature/destructive part of the
rebellion involving to a huge extent very
young, frustrated people. It is not the kids
who ace it at school and are good at sports.
It is marginalized people from disfunctional
families. The girls, from a traditional point
of view, aren't very attractive. Reality, not
an excuse.

The positive thing is "when you feel
frustration, show it" and in the right
direction, because if you don't, it will be
pointed at yourself or people who have nothing
to do we it.

At least it isn't pathetic as the
"revolutionary" ML-groups doing nothing, having
a meeting once a week reading Lenin and
analyzing "US-imperialism".

Is it a Homer quote? "It is easy to be angry,
but difficult to be angry at the right time, at
the right person, and for the right reason."

Negative aspects should be obvious to anyone...

But to take the immature/destructive rebellion
into something creative is an even more
difficult step and the challenge for anyone
growing up from it.

--
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

On Monday, July 10, 2017 at 8:11:43 AM UTC-7, Emanuel Berg wrote:
John B. wrote:

As an admitted "terrorist" can you tell us
what the positive results of your
protest was?

Other then the gratuitous destruction of
other people's property, that is.

It is just the immature/destructive part of the
rebellion involving to a huge extent very
young, frustrated people. It is not the kids
who ace it at school and are good at sports.
It is marginalized people from disfunctional
families. The girls, from a traditional point
of view, aren't very attractive. Reality, not
an excuse.

The positive thing is "when you feel
frustration, show it" and in the right
direction, because if you don't, it will be
pointed at yourself or people who have nothing
to do we it.

At least it isn't pathetic as the
"revolutionary" ML-groups doing nothing, having
a meeting once a week reading Lenin and
analyzing "US-imperialism".

Is it a Homer quote? "It is easy to be angry,
but difficult to be angry at the right time, at
the right person, and for the right reason."

Negative aspects should be obvious to anyone...

But to take the immature/destructive rebellion
into something creative is an even more
difficult step and the challenge for anyone
growing up from it.

"Very young and frustrated" by what? I was very young and frustrated because I had an IQ of 145 and could plainly see answers that PhD's could not. And they wouldn't listen to me until they would suggest spending a great deal of money on a project and I would suggest 10% or less.

But I didn't go out and loot local stores because of that.

frustrated" by what?

By their daily life, year in and year out with
humiliation, school and social life where they
cannot compete, no interests or cultural
activities, no crafts or outdoor relaxation, no
rest at home with disfunctional families, no
jobs or at least none which will lift their
spirits and capture their imaginations, their
thoughts obviously at this point not being
clear but a mixture of confusing ideas and
emotions, often made worse by alcohol and
drugs, and so on, and so on.

I was very young and frustrated because I had
an IQ of 145 and could plainly see answers
that PhD's could not. And they wouldn't
listen to me until they would suggest
spending a great deal of money on a project
and I would suggest 10% or less.

But I didn't go out and loot local stores
because of that.

Well, not everyone is like you.

--
underground experts united
http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573

On 2017-07-08 22:06, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
http://hotair.com/archives/2017/07/08/day-3-g20-protests-looting-burning-vandalizing/
So, what does this have to do with bicycles? If you watch the video
of the cleanup, there are quite a few burned out and trashed bicycles
visible in the wreckage:
https://youtu.be/cepF2UKnTy8


Looks like most are the same red kind of bike, maybe from a nearby
rental station?


Do anti-capitalists have something against bicycles?


No, they are just completely nuts.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

John B. wrote:

Back in the days or the student protests
against the Vietnam war I read a survey of
the students that joined the protests and
overwhelmingly it was the students taking the
courses in the less difficult subjects,
basket weaving, etc., that were protesting.
Students in the engineering, medical, legal
and sciences course were noticeably absence.
Whether this was due to higher intelligence
or more study time required was
not mentioned.

The most important reason for that is that
people who do those things are stable people
who care for what they do and put their
energies into it. They have had background that
have allowed different interests to evolve and
they to do fine in school.

It is not because they are "careerists" or
whatever but because they like what they do.

It is sad that other people can't find such an
activity in their youth and early adult life,
and it is a problem they do worthless stuff
instead which only gives them the impression
that the university is worthless as well.

That said, there is no comparing today's "black
block" havoc kids with the 70s students whose
situation, material, education, future, was
much better.

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On Tue, 11 Jul 2017 03:44:28 +0200, Emanuel Berg
wrote:

Joerg wrote:

No, they are just completely nuts.

Some of them are definitely nuts but the vast
majority of them are not nuts in the sense
Nazis or Jihadists are. I would say they are
lost, only to me with their walk of life it
makes sense they end up where they do. If they
were ever given a calm place and an activity
that made sense to them none of this would ever
happen. It is a great tragedy society couldn't
provide such basic things and I regard that
tragedy much bigger than some cars put
aflame...

I suppose that depends on whether the cars that are burning are yours
or someone else's :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.