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When did you first suspect Michael Rasmussen was doping?
Funnily enough, today, after he fended off the attacks in the last stretch
of the steep mountains, and won the stage. (I was going to post here, "Is he on drugs?" and then the story broke.) Others have suspected him for much longer. (I wasn't aware he'd evaded the drug tests.) |
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When did you first suspect Michael Rasmussen was doping?
in message , Breaking News
') wrote: Funnily enough, today, after he fended off the attacks in the last stretch of the steep mountains, and won the stage. (I was going to post here, "Is he on drugs?" and then the story broke.) Others have suspected him for much longer. (I wasn't aware he'd evaded the drug tests.) You know, you're getting awfully close to my killfile; and so far, despite all the kooks and oddballs, I haven't killfiled anyone in this group. Rasmussen hasn't (yet) even been accused of doping. He's been accused of lying about his whereabouts. He could have a number of reasons for doing this (and yes, doping is one of them). But his performance yesterday is not evidence of doping, unless he's been doping consistently for many years (which is possible). We always knew he could climb away from every other rider in the peloton. Guess what? He did. -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ Tony Blair's epitaph, #1: Tony Blair lies here. Tony Blair's epitaph, #2: Trust me. |
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When did you first suspect Michael Rasmussen was doping?
Funnily enough, today, after he fended off the attacks in the last stretch
of the steep mountains, and won the stage. (I was going to post here, "Is he on drugs?" and then the story broke.) Others have suspected him for much longer. (I wasn't aware he'd evaded the drug tests.) ----------- when I first laid eyes on him, I knew he was dirty. |
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When did you first suspect Michael Rasmussen was doping?
On Jul 26, 4:50 am, Simon Brooke wrote:
in message , Breaking News ') wrote: Funnily enough, today, after he fended off the attacks in the last stretch of the steep mountains, and won the stage. (I was going to post here, "Is he on drugs?" and then the story broke.) Others have suspected him for much longer. (I wasn't aware he'd evaded the drug tests.) You know, you're getting awfully close to my killfile; and so far, despite all the kooks and oddballs, I haven't killfiled anyone in this group. Rasmussen hasn't (yet) even been accused of doping. He's been accused of lying about his whereabouts. He could have a number of reasons for doing this (and yes, doping is one of them). But his performance yesterday is not evidence of doping, unless he's been doping consistently for many years (which is possible). We always knew he could climb away from every other rider in the peloton. Guess what? He did. -- (Simon Brooke)http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ Tony Blair's epitaph, #1: Tony Blair lies here. Tony Blair's epitaph, #2: Trust me. Ah...another Lindsey Lohan!! In complete denial. Look grow up and face it. The sport is broken. Kill Files....child... |
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When did you first suspect Michael Rasmussen was doping?
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:57:36 -0400, "Breaking News"
wrote: Funnily enough, today, after he fended off the attacks in the last stretch of the steep mountains, and won the stage. (I was going to post here, "Is he on drugs?" and then the story broke.) Others have suspected him for much longer. (I wasn't aware he'd evaded the drug tests.) His TT. Last two climbers who used to suck at TT's and won grand tours partly by TT results: Basso 2006 Giro; Heras 2005 Vuelta. HELLO? No, he hasn't tested positive, but you'd have to be pretty naive to ignore the circumstantial evidence. |
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When did you first suspect Michael Rasmussen was doping?
Doug Taylor wrote:
His TT. Last two climbers who used to suck at TT's and won grand tours partly by TT results: Basso 2006 Giro; Heras 2005 Vuelta. Basso TT improvement didn't happen overnight, it started when he moved to CSC and Riis made sure he worked on his TT position and made him ride his TT bike frequently. Pantani in 98 would be a better example. |
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When did you first suspect Michael Rasmussen was doping?
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:18:47 +0200, Donald Munro
wrote: Doug Taylor wrote: His TT. Last two climbers who used to suck at TT's and won grand tours partly by TT results: Basso 2006 Giro; Heras 2005 Vuelta. Basso TT improvement didn't happen overnight, it started when he moved to CSC and Riis made sure he worked on his TT position and made him ride his TT bike frequently. Pantani in 98 would be a better example. Pantani is ANOTHER example. I still like the circumstantial correlation: Climber - sucky TT - Blood doping - sudden TT improvement - grand tour victory. Blood doping isn't magic: you need a talented, fit, trained cyclist to win a tour, dope or no. I'm convinced that Basso needed the training, the wind tunnel AND the dope to win the Giro. And, no way Skeletor bests a cyclist like a born again clean David Millar in a TT without "a little help from his friends." That was a huge clue. |
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When did you first suspect Michael Rasmussen was doping?
Doug Taylor writes:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:18:47 +0200, Donald Munro wrote: Doug Taylor wrote: His TT. Last two climbers who used to suck at TT's and won grand tours partly by TT results: Basso 2006 Giro; Heras 2005 Vuelta. Basso TT improvement didn't happen overnight, it started when he moved to CSC and Riis made sure he worked on his TT position and made him ride his TT bike frequently. Pantani in 98 would be a better example. Pantani is ANOTHER example. I still like the circumstantial correlation: Climber - sucky TT - Blood doping - sudden TT improvement - grand tour victory. Blood doping isn't magic: you need a talented, fit, trained cyclist to win a tour, dope or no. I'm convinced that Basso needed the training, the wind tunnel AND the dope to win the Giro. And, no way Skeletor bests a cyclist like a born again clean David Millar in a TT without "a little help from his friends." That was a huge clue. I think you may be right there Of course individual riders may work on their technique, but Millar, presuming he is in fact clean, is certainly a more than reasonable benchmark -- Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply - They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. |
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When did you first suspect Michael Rasmussen was doping?
in message , Doug Taylor
') wrote: His TT. Â*Last two climbers who used to suck at TT's and won grand tours partly by TT results: Â*Basso 2006 Giro; Heras 2005 Vuelta. HELLO? No, he hasn't tested positive, but you'd have to be pretty naive to ignore the circumstantial evidence. You're missing an important point here. Note: I'm not defending Rasmussen, I don't know whether he's doped or not. However, Rasmussen has always been a time trial specialist, he's just done his time trials on a road bike and in the mountains. But unlike any other modern climber, his typical exploit is a very long solo breakaway. He doesn't need anyone to work with him, and he doesn't need anyone to chase. In effect these rides have been time trials - they take exactly the same mental discipline as time trials, they take exactly the same physical stamina as time trials, and they're considerably tougher than most modern time trials. We remember one specific time trial in which Rasmussen had every sort of bad luck and lost his composure and his confidence totally, and we say 'he can't time trial'. But that's just rubbish. He has put in astounding time trial performances in all the last three tours - he just hasn't done it on time trial stages. Rasmussen /may/ have doped, but his time trial performance isn't any sort of evidence of it. -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ ;; Good grief, I can remember when England won the Ashes. |
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When did you first suspect Michael Rasmussen was doping?
Davey Crockett wrote:
Of course individual riders may work on their technique, but Millar, presuming he is in fact clean, is certainly a more than reasonable benchmark All things being equal perhaps, but I think Millar had been working quite hard for his team the day before and he worked hard the next day as well so he may have been saving himself. |
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