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  #1  
Old March 15th 10, 02:54 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Mike Vandeman[_4_]
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Default Mountain biker airlifted after fall

http://www.malverngazette.co.uk/news...ed_after_fall/

Mountain biker airlifted after fall

3:33pm Sunday 14th March 2010

By James Savage »

A MOUNTAIN biker has been airlifted to hospital after falling from his
bike and hitting his head on a tree.

West Midlands Ambulance Service was called to Castlemorton, near
Malvern, shortly after 11.30am on Sunday.

An ambulance, a medical responder and the Midlands Air Ambulance from
Cosford were dispatched to the scene. The fire service was also in
attendance.

A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: “On arrival at the
scene crews found a mountain biker who had fallen from his bike and is
believed to have hit his head on a tree branch.

"The man, believed to be in his late 30’s, was treated on scene for a
neck injury. He was given pain relief at the scene and immobilised
using a neck collar and spinal board.

“Due to the location of the incident a specialist team from the fire
service assisted the crew to transfer the patient from the hillside to
the ambulance.

“The ambulance crew conveyed the patient to the Air Ambulance who
airlifted the patient to Worcestershire Royal Hospital for further
assessment and treatment.”
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  #2  
Old March 15th 10, 03:29 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
VtSkier[_2_]
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Default Mountain biker airlifted after fall

Mike Vandeman wrote:
http://www.malverngazette.co.uk/news...ed_after_fall/

Mountain biker airlifted after fall

3:33pm Sunday 14th March 2010

By James Savage »

A MOUNTAIN biker has been airlifted to hospital after falling from his
bike and hitting his head on a tree.

West Midlands Ambulance Service was called to Castlemorton, near
Malvern, shortly after 11.30am on Sunday.

An ambulance, a medical responder and the Midlands Air Ambulance from
Cosford were dispatched to the scene. The fire service was also in
attendance.

A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: “On arrival at the
scene crews found a mountain biker who had fallen from his bike and is
believed to have hit his head on a tree branch.

"The man, believed to be in his late 30’s, was treated on scene for a
neck injury. He was given pain relief at the scene and immobilised
using a neck collar and spinal board.

“Due to the location of the incident a specialist team from the fire
service assisted the crew to transfer the patient from the hillside to
the ambulance.

“The ambulance crew conveyed the patient to the Air Ambulance who
airlifted the patient to Worcestershire Royal Hospital for further
assessment and treatment.”


There are parts of this story which are missing.
Namely the parts which support your case for a
mountain biker being a criminal. Where were the
trails? Were they hiking trails which the biker
should not have been on? Where is the 'wilderness'
that the biker is harming? Granted the biker
used services which might have been better used
elsewhere. However, who pays for these services?
Look closely and I suspect that this person is
a taxpayer in the county in which the incident
occurred or is at least a taxpayer somewhere
else that offers similar services. You can't get
away from it. These services are there for just
such events as this occurrence.
  #3  
Old March 17th 10, 10:00 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Mike Vandeman[_4_]
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Default Mountain biker airlifted after fall

On Mar 14, 7:29*pm, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
http://www.malverngazette.co.uk/news...iker_airlifted...


Mountain biker airlifted after fall


3:33pm Sunday 14th March 2010


By James Savage »


A MOUNTAIN biker has been airlifted to hospital after falling from his
bike and hitting his head on a tree.


West Midlands Ambulance Service was called to Castlemorton, near
Malvern, shortly after 11.30am on Sunday.


An ambulance, a medical responder and the Midlands Air Ambulance from
Cosford were dispatched to the scene. The fire service was also in
attendance.


A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: “On arrival at the
scene crews found a mountain biker who had fallen from his bike and is
believed to have hit his head on a tree branch.


"The man, believed to be in his late 30’s, was treated on scene for a
neck injury. He was given pain relief at the scene and immobilised
using a neck collar and spinal board.


“Due to the location of the incident a specialist team from the fire
service assisted the crew to transfer the patient from the hillside to
the ambulance.


“The ambulance crew conveyed the patient to the Air Ambulance who
airlifted the patient to Worcestershire Royal Hospital for further
assessment and treatment.”


There are parts of this story which are missing.
Namely the parts which support your case for a
mountain biker being a criminal. Where were the
trails? Were they hiking trails which the biker
should not have been on? Where is the 'wilderness'
that the biker is harming? Granted the biker
used services which might have been better used
elsewhere. However, who pays for these services?
Look closely and I suspect that this person is
a taxpayer in the county in which the incident
occurred or is at least a taxpayer somewhere
else that offers similar services. You can't get
away from it. These services are there for just
such events as this occurrence.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Learn to read. Where do I say that this mountain biker is a criminal?
You are a complete idiot. By the way, rescue services are wasted on
people who DELIBERATELY put themselves at risk by practicing an
extreme sport like mountain biking. I hope he was billed for every
cent.
  #4  
Old March 18th 10, 03:13 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
VtSkier[_2_]
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Default Mountain biker airlifted after fall

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 14, 7:29 pm, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
http://www.malverngazette.co.uk/news...iker_airlifted...
Mountain biker airlifted after fall
3:33pm Sunday 14th March 2010
By James Savage »
A MOUNTAIN biker has been airlifted to hospital after falling from his
bike and hitting his head on a tree.
West Midlands Ambulance Service was called to Castlemorton, near
Malvern, shortly after 11.30am on Sunday.
An ambulance, a medical responder and the Midlands Air Ambulance from
Cosford were dispatched to the scene. The fire service was also in
attendance.
A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: “On arrival at the
scene crews found a mountain biker who had fallen from his bike and is
believed to have hit his head on a tree branch.
"The man, believed to be in his late 30’s, was treated on scene for a
neck injury. He was given pain relief at the scene and immobilised
using a neck collar and spinal board.
“Due to the location of the incident a specialist team from the fire
service assisted the crew to transfer the patient from the hillside to
the ambulance.
“The ambulance crew conveyed the patient to the Air Ambulance who
airlifted the patient to Worcestershire Royal Hospital for further
assessment and treatment.”

There are parts of this story which are missing.
Namely the parts which support your case for a
mountain biker being a criminal. Where were the
trails? Were they hiking trails which the biker
should not have been on? Where is the 'wilderness'
that the biker is harming? Granted the biker
used services which might have been better used
elsewhere. However, who pays for these services?
Look closely and I suspect that this person is
a taxpayer in the county in which the incident
occurred or is at least a taxpayer somewhere
else that offers similar services. You can't get
away from it. These services are there for just
such events as this occurrence.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Learn to read. Where do I say that this mountain biker is a criminal?
You are a complete idiot. By the way, rescue services are wasted on
people who DELIBERATELY put themselves at risk by practicing an
extreme sport like mountain biking. I hope he was billed for every
cent.


Actually I can read quite well. I was pointing out that
this mountain biker was clearly NOT a criminal and
wondering why you posted the story as it does not
support your program of considering all mountain
bikers criminals. And as for people putting themselves
at risk, you might check out the history of rescues
on the Appalachian Trail of hikers. It is quite a
common occurrence for HIKERS to be airlifted out of
the Mount Washington area for not considering such
mundane things as weather.
  #5  
Old March 29th 10, 02:14 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Mike Vandeman[_4_]
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Default Mountain biker airlifted after fall

On Mar 17, 7:13*pm, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 14, 7:29 pm, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
http://www.malverngazette.co.uk/news...iker_airlifted....
Mountain biker airlifted after fall
3:33pm Sunday 14th March 2010
By James Savage »
A MOUNTAIN biker has been airlifted to hospital after falling from his
bike and hitting his head on a tree.
West Midlands Ambulance Service was called to Castlemorton, near
Malvern, shortly after 11.30am on Sunday.
An ambulance, a medical responder and the Midlands Air Ambulance from
Cosford were dispatched to the scene. The fire service was also in
attendance.
A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: “On arrival at the
scene crews found a mountain biker who had fallen from his bike and is
believed to have hit his head on a tree branch.
"The man, believed to be in his late 30’s, was treated on scene for a
neck injury. He was given pain relief at the scene and immobilised
using a neck collar and spinal board.
“Due to the location of the incident a specialist team from the fire
service assisted the crew to transfer the patient from the hillside to
the ambulance.
“The ambulance crew conveyed the patient to the Air Ambulance who
airlifted the patient to Worcestershire Royal Hospital for further
assessment and treatment.”
There are parts of this story which are missing.
Namely the parts which support your case for a
mountain biker being a criminal. Where were the
trails? Were they hiking trails which the biker
should not have been on? Where is the 'wilderness'
that the biker is harming? Granted the biker
used services which might have been better used
elsewhere. However, who pays for these services?
Look closely and I suspect that this person is
a taxpayer in the county in which the incident
occurred or is at least a taxpayer somewhere
else that offers similar services. You can't get
away from it. These services are there for just
such events as this occurrence.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Learn to read. Where do I say that this mountain biker is a criminal?
You are a complete idiot. By the way, rescue services are wasted on
people who DELIBERATELY put themselves at risk by practicing an
extreme sport like mountain biking. I hope he was billed for every
cent.


Actually I can read quite well. I was pointing out that
this mountain biker was clearly NOT a criminal


You don't know that, liar. You are just fabricating again.

and
wondering why you posted the story as it does not
support your program of considering all mountain
bikers criminals.


It doesn't detract from it at all. It's on a different topic. DUH!

And as for people putting themselves
at risk, you might check out the history of rescues
on the Appalachian Trail of hikers. It is quite a
common occurrence for HIKERS to be airlifted out of
the Mount Washington area for not considering such
mundane things as weather.


Which has NOTHING to do with the FACT that mountain biking is
extremely dangerous. MUCH more dangerous than hiking. But you already
knew that, and are just feigning ignorance again.

- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


  #6  
Old March 29th 10, 04:25 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
VtSkier[_2_]
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Default Mountain biker airlifted after fall

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 17, 7:13 pm, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 14, 7:29 pm, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
http://www.malverngazette.co.uk/news...iker_airlifted...
Mountain biker airlifted after fall
3:33pm Sunday 14th March 2010
By James Savage »
A MOUNTAIN biker has been airlifted to hospital after falling from his
bike and hitting his head on a tree.
West Midlands Ambulance Service was called to Castlemorton, near
Malvern, shortly after 11.30am on Sunday.
An ambulance, a medical responder and the Midlands Air Ambulance from
Cosford were dispatched to the scene. The fire service was also in
attendance.
A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: “On arrival at the
scene crews found a mountain biker who had fallen from his bike and is
believed to have hit his head on a tree branch.
"The man, believed to be in his late 30’s, was treated on scene for a
neck injury. He was given pain relief at the scene and immobilised
using a neck collar and spinal board.
“Due to the location of the incident a specialist team from the fire
service assisted the crew to transfer the patient from the hillside to
the ambulance.
“The ambulance crew conveyed the patient to the Air Ambulance who
airlifted the patient to Worcestershire Royal Hospital for further
assessment and treatment.”
There are parts of this story which are missing.
Namely the parts which support your case for a
mountain biker being a criminal. Where were the
trails? Were they hiking trails which the biker
should not have been on? Where is the 'wilderness'
that the biker is harming? Granted the biker
used services which might have been better used
elsewhere. However, who pays for these services?
Look closely and I suspect that this person is
a taxpayer in the county in which the incident
occurred or is at least a taxpayer somewhere
else that offers similar services. You can't get
away from it. These services are there for just
such events as this occurrence.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Learn to read. Where do I say that this mountain biker is a criminal?
You are a complete idiot. By the way, rescue services are wasted on
people who DELIBERATELY put themselves at risk by practicing an
extreme sport like mountain biking. I hope he was billed for every
cent.

Actually I can read quite well. I was pointing out that
this mountain biker was clearly NOT a criminal


You don't know that, liar. You are just fabricating again.


No, but neither do you know that the mountain biker
WAS a criminal. If you were to claim this, it would
only be an assertion based on your bias.


and
wondering why you posted the story as it does not
support your program of considering all mountain
bikers criminals.


It doesn't detract from it at all. It's on a different topic. DUH!


Oh, I didn't know you were capable of writing
about a different topic. My bad.


And as for people putting themselves
at risk, you might check out the history of rescues
on the Appalachian Trail of hikers. It is quite a
common occurrence for HIKERS to be airlifted out of
the Mount Washington area for not considering such
mundane things as weather.


Which has NOTHING to do with the FACT that mountain biking is
extremely dangerous. MUCH more dangerous than hiking. But you already
knew that, and are just feigning ignorance again.


Oh, yeah it does. While mountain biking as practiced
by a few (VERY FEW) seems almost accompanied by a
death wish, it is in fact a safer sport than say, my
chosen sport which is downhill skiing.

Now there are skiers who strap on flying squirrel
suits and launch themselves off cliffs, soar around
a bit and hope their parachute opens. This is not
unlike a MB downhiller who tries to thread through
a single track trail down a mountain at 60mph but
it is nothing like what the VAST majority of skiers
choose to do.

Yet a number of people who ski will end up dead
either directly or indirectly attributable to
their sport. A few weeks ago young man hit a padded
sign post so hard that he died of internal injuries
(NOT head trauma). On that same weekend, a skier
had a heart attack on the hill and died. Direct and
indirect. Much like your postings of mountain biking.

While most skiers are fairly sane, a few will die
each year. This is also true of mountain bikers.

We all work hard to minimize skiing deaths. The
MB community does the same for mountain biking.

As usual, your angry, in-your-face approach to this
subject exposes your bias and does not further your
cause.

If you really want to make a difference take a lesson
from those who have made a difference and learn that
honey attracts more flies than salt.

On other forums I see postings about horrific
accidents of people engaged in other sports. Most of
these posts are to honor the passing of someone who
has done some good in that sport, not to put up
"in-your-face" how dangerous that sport is.

Shane McConkey comes to mind. He was crazy or maybe
fearless and was killed while using the aforementioned
flying squirrel suit, but he was a great and did
much to advance our sport.


- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -


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Old March 29th 10, 05:05 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Mike Vandeman[_4_]
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Default Mountain biker airlifted after fall

On Mar 29, 8:25*am, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 17, 7:13 pm, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 14, 7:29 pm, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
http://www.malverngazette.co.uk/news...iker_airlifted...
Mountain biker airlifted after fall
3:33pm Sunday 14th March 2010
By James Savage »
A MOUNTAIN biker has been airlifted to hospital after falling from his
bike and hitting his head on a tree.
West Midlands Ambulance Service was called to Castlemorton, near
Malvern, shortly after 11.30am on Sunday.
An ambulance, a medical responder and the Midlands Air Ambulance from
Cosford were dispatched to the scene. The fire service was also in
attendance.
A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: “On arrival at the
scene crews found a mountain biker who had fallen from his bike and is
believed to have hit his head on a tree branch.
"The man, believed to be in his late 30’s, was treated on scene for a
neck injury. He was given pain relief at the scene and immobilised
using a neck collar and spinal board.
“Due to the location of the incident a specialist team from the fire
service assisted the crew to transfer the patient from the hillside to
the ambulance.
“The ambulance crew conveyed the patient to the Air Ambulance who
airlifted the patient to Worcestershire Royal Hospital for further
assessment and treatment.”
There are parts of this story which are missing.
Namely the parts which support your case for a
mountain biker being a criminal. Where were the
trails? Were they hiking trails which the biker
should not have been on? Where is the 'wilderness'
that the biker is harming? Granted the biker
used services which might have been better used
elsewhere. However, who pays for these services?
Look closely and I suspect that this person is
a taxpayer in the county in which the incident
occurred or is at least a taxpayer somewhere
else that offers similar services. You can't get
away from it. These services are there for just
such events as this occurrence.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Learn to read. Where do I say that this mountain biker is a criminal?
You are a complete idiot. By the way, rescue services are wasted on
people who DELIBERATELY put themselves at risk by practicing an
extreme sport like mountain biking. I hope he was billed for every
cent.
Actually I can read quite well. I was pointing out that
this mountain biker was clearly NOT a criminal


You don't know that, liar. You are just fabricating again.


No, but neither do you know that the mountain biker
WAS a criminal. If you were to claim this, it would
only be an assertion based on your bias.


But I didn't, did I? So your hypothetical comment makes as much sense
as "If you were Joseph Stalin, you would be dead by now". You make no
sense whatsoever. Try to follow a train of logic.

*and
wondering why you posted the story as it does not
support your program of considering all mountain
bikers criminals.


It doesn't detract from it at all. It's on a different topic. DUH!


Oh, I didn't know you were capable of writing
about a different topic. My bad.



*And as for people putting themselves
at risk, you might check out the history of rescues
on the Appalachian Trail of hikers. It is quite a
common occurrence for HIKERS to be airlifted out of
the Mount Washington area for not considering such
mundane things as weather.


Which has NOTHING to do with the FACT that mountain biking is
extremely dangerous. MUCH more dangerous than hiking. But you already
knew that, and are just feigning ignorance again.


Oh, yeah it does. While mountain biking as practiced
by a few (VERY FEW) seems almost accompanied by a
death wish, it is in fact a safer sport than say, my
chosen sport which is downhill skiing.


What drug are you sniffing now? I said that the danger of mountain
biking has nothing to do with the danger of hiking, and you reply
"yeah it does, just look at skiing". HUH? Now you are comparing
apples, oranges, and kiwis. Have you ever taken a course in logic? I
didn't think so.

Now there are skiers who strap on flying squirrel
suits and launch themselves off cliffs, soar around
a bit and hope their parachute opens. This is not
unlike a MB downhiller who tries to thread through
a single track trail down a mountain at 60mph but
it is nothing like what the VAST majority of skiers
choose to do.

Yet a number of people who ski will end up dead
either directly or indirectly attributable to
their sport. A few weeks ago young man hit a padded
sign post so hard that he died of internal injuries
(NOT head trauma). On that same weekend, a skier
had a heart attack on the hill and died. Direct and
indirect. Much like your postings of mountain biking.

While most skiers are fairly sane, a few will die
each year. This is also true of mountain bikers.

We all work hard to minimize skiing deaths. The
MB community does the same for mountain biking.

As usual, your angry, in-your-face approach to this
subject exposes your bias and does not further your
cause.

If you really want to make a difference take a lesson
from those who have made a difference and learn that
honey attracts more flies than salt.

On other forums I see postings about horrific
accidents of people engaged in other sports. Most of
these posts are to honor the passing of someone who
has done some good in that sport, not to put up
"in-your-face" how dangerous that sport is.

Shane McConkey comes to mind. He was crazy or maybe
fearless and was killed while using the aforementioned
flying squirrel suit, but he was a great and did
much to advance our sport.


What an idiot! Sports cannot be "advanced". Mountain biking (and
skiing) can only do more or less damage. There is nothing "advanced"
about it, and the fact that someone practices it does not call for
adulation, but disgust. If you were HONEST, you would agree.
  #8  
Old March 29th 10, 06:16 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
VtSkier[_2_]
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Default Mountain biker airlifted after fall

Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 29, 8:25 am, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 17, 7:13 pm, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On Mar 14, 7:29 pm, VtSkier wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote:
http://www.malverngazette.co.uk/news...iker_airlifted...
Mountain biker airlifted after fall
3:33pm Sunday 14th March 2010
By James Savage »
A MOUNTAIN biker has been airlifted to hospital after falling from his
bike and hitting his head on a tree.
West Midlands Ambulance Service was called to Castlemorton, near
Malvern, shortly after 11.30am on Sunday.
An ambulance, a medical responder and the Midlands Air Ambulance from
Cosford were dispatched to the scene. The fire service was also in
attendance.
A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokeswoman said: “On arrival at the
scene crews found a mountain biker who had fallen from his bike and is
believed to have hit his head on a tree branch.
"The man, believed to be in his late 30’s, was treated on scene for a
neck injury. He was given pain relief at the scene and immobilised
using a neck collar and spinal board.
“Due to the location of the incident a specialist team from the fire
service assisted the crew to transfer the patient from the hillside to
the ambulance.
“The ambulance crew conveyed the patient to the Air Ambulance who
airlifted the patient to Worcestershire Royal Hospital for further
assessment and treatment.”
There are parts of this story which are missing.
Namely the parts which support your case for a
mountain biker being a criminal. Where were the
trails? Were they hiking trails which the biker
should not have been on? Where is the 'wilderness'
that the biker is harming? Granted the biker
used services which might have been better used
elsewhere. However, who pays for these services?
Look closely and I suspect that this person is
a taxpayer in the county in which the incident
occurred or is at least a taxpayer somewhere
else that offers similar services. You can't get
away from it. These services are there for just
such events as this occurrence.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Learn to read. Where do I say that this mountain biker is a criminal?
You are a complete idiot. By the way, rescue services are wasted on
people who DELIBERATELY put themselves at risk by practicing an
extreme sport like mountain biking. I hope he was billed for every
cent.
Actually I can read quite well. I was pointing out that
this mountain biker was clearly NOT a criminal
You don't know that, liar. You are just fabricating again.

No, but neither do you know that the mountain biker
WAS a criminal. If you were to claim this, it would
only be an assertion based on your bias.


But I didn't, did I? So your hypothetical comment makes as much sense
as "If you were Joseph Stalin, you would be dead by now". You make no
sense whatsoever. Try to follow a train of logic.

and
wondering why you posted the story as it does not
support your program of considering all mountain
bikers criminals.
It doesn't detract from it at all. It's on a different topic. DUH!

Oh, I didn't know you were capable of writing
about a different topic. My bad.



And as for people putting themselves
at risk, you might check out the history of rescues
on the Appalachian Trail of hikers. It is quite a
common occurrence for HIKERS to be airlifted out of
the Mount Washington area for not considering such
mundane things as weather.
Which has NOTHING to do with the FACT that mountain biking is
extremely dangerous. MUCH more dangerous than hiking. But you already
knew that, and are just feigning ignorance again.

Oh, yeah it does. While mountain biking as practiced
by a few (VERY FEW) seems almost accompanied by a
death wish, it is in fact a safer sport than say, my
chosen sport which is downhill skiing.


What drug are you sniffing now? I said that the danger of mountain
biking has nothing to do with the danger of hiking, and you reply
"yeah it does, just look at skiing". HUH? Now you are comparing
apples, oranges, and kiwis. Have you ever taken a course in logic? I
didn't think so.


Tell you what Mikey, using nit-picky logic 'rules' is yet
another way to **** people off. The proper way to respond
to such an approach is with middle finger extended. But
I'm not that sort of person.

You however, try to change the subject in the middle of
a conversation in order to try to stay on the point
(whatever it is) that you are making. You started out
with part of your argument being about what a waste of
services is the fact of airlifting out an injured mountain
biker. I answered that (not refuted, I understand) hiking
can and does cause a similar waste of resources/services
by hikers not being aware of all the variables and
illustrated this by citing rescues that take place all
the time on hiking trails of hikers in the White
Mountains of New Hampshire.

Then, you said by way of emphasis of your point that
Mountain Biking is a very dangerous sport. To which I
responded IN THE AFFIRMATIVE agreeing with you and
then went on to point out that is isn't the ONLY dangerous
sport in which a great many people take part.

If you want to continue this logic sparring I'll
accomodate you to a point. Then, I will hammer at you
again and again that it's your approach that I'm
quarreling with you about, not always necessarily
and not always your content.

I will say you are always right that MBing is a
dangerous sport. It's not the point of your central
argument. You just think it's a way to convince
people that they shouldn't be MBing. It's not. In
fact the danger or at least the the thought of danger
is often what is attractive to many people. So, I
would suggest that you drop those kinds of posts
which support this idea. Yeah, we all know it's
potentially dangerous. So what's your point?

I would begin to support you with your campaign of
getting MB's out of the wilderness. You would need to
do a couple of things for me to do this.

1) Understand the difference between roads and
trails and make this difference known in your posts.

2) Consider MBing as appropriate for areas which
are set aside for pursuit of the sport.

3) Include ALL wheeled vehicles in your condemnation
of MB's on trails and in wilderness areas.

4) Make clear your definition of "wilderness". There
is true wilderness, but not around here. All of land
in this part of New England was once cleared farmland.
Now a lot of that has been reclaimed by nature. There
are a lot of very wild areas, but you will still see
a stone wall going through here and there to mark
past fields and meadows. I believe that much of this
wild reclaimed land should be included in your
definition and wheeled vehicles should be excluded.
This is especially true at high elevations and steep
land.

I further believe that there is much 'true' wilderness
that is so fragile and so precious that even foot
traffic should be at least limited if not excluded.

5) And finally. Stop blaming the many for the sins of
the few.

Stop blaming ALL mountain bikers for the
rudeness and disregard of what is precious because a
few see nature as their playground to be used in any
way they want. Stop blaming mountain bikers and
mountain biking for the fact that some criminals use
mountain bikes to support their crimes. One of your
arguments for saying that if a criminal uses a mountain
bike in the commission of his particular crime, he
must be a mountain biker since mountain bikes are
so expensive, he wouldn't buy one just to ride to his
crime. I shown you that that just isn't so by pointing
out that you can buy a "mountain bike" in many
department stores for less than $100. You must agree
with that and have gone to your local Wal-mart to
verify since you haven't responded to that statement
of mine.

Oh, and as part of this, drop the ad-hominem attacks.
I try very hard not to do this, but when you do it
to me, it's sometimes very hard not to reply in kind.




Now there are skiers who strap on flying squirrel
suits and launch themselves off cliffs, soar around
a bit and hope their parachute opens. This is not
unlike a MB downhiller who tries to thread through
a single track trail down a mountain at 60mph but
it is nothing like what the VAST majority of skiers
choose to do.

Yet a number of people who ski will end up dead
either directly or indirectly attributable to
their sport. A few weeks ago young man hit a padded
sign post so hard that he died of internal injuries
(NOT head trauma). On that same weekend, a skier
had a heart attack on the hill and died. Direct and
indirect. Much like your postings of mountain biking.

While most skiers are fairly sane, a few will die
each year. This is also true of mountain bikers.

We all work hard to minimize skiing deaths. The
MB community does the same for mountain biking.

As usual, your angry, in-your-face approach to this
subject exposes your bias and does not further your
cause.

If you really want to make a difference take a lesson
from those who have made a difference and learn that
honey attracts more flies than salt.

On other forums I see postings about horrific
accidents of people engaged in other sports. Most of
these posts are to honor the passing of someone who
has done some good in that sport, not to put up
"in-your-face" how dangerous that sport is.

Shane McConkey comes to mind. He was crazy or maybe
fearless and was killed while using the aforementioned
flying squirrel suit, but he was a great and did
much to advance our sport.


What an idiot! Sports cannot be "advanced". Mountain biking (and
skiing) can only do more or less damage. There is nothing "advanced"
about it, and the fact that someone practices it does not call for
adulation, but disgust. If you were HONEST, you would agree.


Of course sports can be advanced. Damage is not part of
the equation of advancement. It is another argument altogether.
Again you are doing nit-picking logic with me and it won't
work.

By the way, calling me an "idiot" does not make your
statement true, it just has the effect of ****ing me off
and wanting to answer you in kind. If you believe that
sports cannot be advanced and why, just say so. If I
believe differently I'll say so too and why. I don't need
to 'win' such an argument. We can agree to disagree
without being rude, angry and disrespectful.

As part of that, I'll admit to answering you kind in the
past and for that I apologize.

Advancement in a sport can be technological (equipment),
social (rules governing) and others I might be able to
think of.

The damage or lack of same or even confining any possible
damage to the environment to as small an area as possible
is the subject of where you pursue such a sport.

Ski areas contain skiers to a rather small area. A couple
of years ago, a group of skiers decided at a New England
ski area, that the place they like to ski was too small.
They proceeded to cut a new, wide trail down a mountain
with no permission from the landowner, no environmental
permit from the state, and no notion whatever of the
damage they were doing. They were promptly discovered,
made to pay damages to the landowner and in fact served
some time in jail.

Mountain bikers using roads that already exist are not
increasing damage to the environment. Mountain bikers who
want to use narrow single track trails and who do so at
ski areas in the summer on designated trails which are
maintained by fees they pay for the privilege are not
increasing damage to the environment. I agree that the
opposite of these two statements is indeed true and should
be the focus of your campaign.

Unless, of course, you have been injured in some way by
a (single) mountain biker and just want to get back at
him/her by attacking all mountain bikers. This seems like
what you are doing and I will repeat again that this will
hurt to the point of negation your campaign of preserving
wilderness, if indeed that is your goal. Is it? Really?
I'm not convinced.
 




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