Off Topic - Protected Bike Lanes

Last year, cities built 40 of the so-called green lanes, according to the
Bikes Belong Foundation's Green Lane Project, an organization working
with six cities — Austin; Chicago; Memphis; Portland, Ore.; San Francisco
and Washington.

A study last year by the New York City Department of Transportation found
that small businesses near protected bike lanes installed in 2007 saw
sales grow much more sharply than the borough average. Another study by
Portland State University found that people in Portland who drove to
local businesses spent more money per visit than bicyclists, but cyclists
visited the same businesses more often and spent more overall.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...add-protected-
bike-lanes/1839613/

Or short URL

JR the postman

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 03:24:18 +0000, JR Namida wrote:

Forgot to post short URL

http://tinyurl.com/afe6fcb

JR the postman

EEEYOW we have a freshly painted prize winning lane on the runup to the Sanibel Causeway Toll Plaza...

I doahn know if a photo is possible given the dangers.

The drunks and dopers from Minnesota and Wisconsin go in on 2 lanes left then the bike lane then a turn lane for sober drivers into the Punta Rassa Hotel Resort harbor complex...

incomprehensible

On 1/22/2013 7:24 PM, JR Namida wrote:
Last year, cities built 40 of the so-called green lanes, according to the
Bikes Belong Foundation's Green Lane Project, an organization working
with six cities — Austin; Chicago; Memphis; Portland, Ore.; San Francisco
and Washington.

A study last year by the New York City Department of Transportation found
that small businesses near protected bike lanes installed in 2007 saw
sales grow much more sharply than the borough average. Another study by
Portland State University found that people in Portland who drove to
local businesses spent more money per visit than bicyclists, but cyclists
visited the same businesses more often and spent more overall.

Not surprising since cyclists tend to be higher income individuals with
more disposable income.

In San Francisco there are businesses along protected bike lanes that
exist only because there are now protected bike lanes that go past them.

What's needed on some multi-use trails that are mainly used by bicycles
is some way of knowing what businesses are close to the trail. For
example on the American River Trail that goes 26 miles from Sacramento
to Folsom you really have no idea what's on either side of the trail
beyond view. We always stop at Costco for lunch, which is almost
spitting distance from the trail, but you can't see it from the trail. A
bunch of other restaurants, and an REI, are also adjacent to the trail
but out of view.

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:51:47 -0800, sms wrote:

On 1/22/2013 7:24 PM, JR Namida wrote:
Last year, cities built 40 of the so-called green lanes, according to
the Bikes Belong Foundation's Green Lane Project, an organization
working with six cities — Austin; Chicago; Memphis; Portland, Ore.; San
Francisco and Washington.

A study last year by the New York City Department of Transportation
found that small businesses near protected bike lanes installed in 2007
saw sales grow much more sharply than the borough average. Another
study by Portland State University found that people in Portland who
drove to local businesses spent more money per visit than bicyclists,
but cyclists visited the same businesses more often and spent more
overall.

Not surprising since cyclists tend to be higher income individuals with
more disposable income.

In San Francisco there are businesses along protected bike lanes that
exist only because there are now protected bike lanes that go past them.

What's needed on some multi-use trails that are mainly used by bicycles
is some way of knowing what businesses are close to the trail. For
example on the American River Trail that goes 26 miles from Sacramento
to Folsom you really have no idea what's on either side of the trail
beyond view. We always stop at Costco for lunch, which is almost
spitting distance from the trail, but you can't see it from the trail. A
bunch of other restaurants, and an REI, are also adjacent to the trail
but out of view.
* * *
sms,

On the River mountain Loop Trail in Henderson, NV there is one small
bicycle rental and workshop located quite close to the very north end of
the trail,a casino, and housing adjacent to the trail. Off trail there
are towns, and small shopping malls, but they are not really as reported
in this city article.

Time laps of Trail- not my video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R713pONJobU

But if you ride a green forest area, our vistas are quite different, we
can see for many many miles.

JR the postman

On 01-23-2013 11:51, sms wrote:
What's needed on some multi-use trails that are mainly used by bicycles
is some way of knowing what businesses are close to the trail.

Google maps (and probably all of their competitors) label lots of
businesses if you zoom in enough.

walkscore.com, given a location, will show a lot of different business
types surrounding a given location. It will take an address, a
lat/long, name of a point of interest, etc. (anything Google will take)

--
Wes Groleau

Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns
it, and finds himself no wiser than before ... He is full of
murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having
come by their ignorance the hard way.
— Kurt Vonnegut

On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:51:47 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 1/22/2013 7:24 PM, JR Namida wrote:


In San Francisco there are businesses along protected bike lanes that

exist only because there are now protected bike lanes that go past them.

I live in SF, can you tell me where are these "protected bike lanes?"

One thing I'm actually against are the goofy bike lanes in Golden Gate Park:

http://www.sfbike.org/?project_JFKDr

I've tried riding in these bike lanes and its scary! You're boxed in between cars that are parked in the middle of the street and the curb. The problem is that people getting in and out of their cars use these bike lanes are their personal driveways. Further, you have people pushing strollers or walking in the middle of the lane and there's no where to go.

I'm not against the standard bike lane, where there cars are parked next to the curb and the bike lane is between the cars and traffic. At least in the standard bike lane you can avoid problems.

Its pretty obvious that whoever "designed" these weird bike lanes doesn't ride a bike...Good Luck!

On 1/23/2013 9:23 PM, bfd wrote:
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:51:47 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 1/22/2013 7:24 PM, JR Namida wrote:


In San Francisco there are businesses along protected bike lanes that

exist only because there are now protected bike lanes that go past them.

I live in SF, can you tell me where are these "protected bike lanes?"

Here's one of many: http://i50.tinypic.com/zsk75j.jpg. Of course there
is someone riding off in the pedestrian lane. Maybe they need to protect
the pedestrian lane from the bicycle lane with more than a painted line.

Those businesses that opened out in that area do a big business from
cyclists. I know we've ridden through there, stopped at Sports Basement,
climbed at Planet Granite, eaten at the cafe leased out by the park
service (as well of course at Sally's Fishwich which is further east,
not with a protected bike lane).

On Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:31:27 AM UTC-8, SMS wrote:
On 1/23/2013 9:23 PM, bfd wrote: On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:51:47 AM UTC-8, sms wrote: On 1/22/2013 7:24 PM, JR Namida wrote: In San Francisco there are businesses along protected bike lanes that exist only because there are now protected bike lanes that go past them. I live in SF, can you tell me where are these "protected bike lanes?" Here's one of many: http://i50.tinypic.com/zsk75j.jpg. Of course there is someone riding off in the pedestrian lane. Maybe they need to protect the pedestrian lane from the bicycle lane with more than a painted line. Those businesses that opened out in that area do a big business from cyclists. I know we've ridden through there, stopped at Sports Basement, climbed at Planet Granite, eaten at the cafe leased out by the park service (as well of course at Sally's Fishwich which is further east, not with a protected bike lane).

Of course, Crissy Fields! Its a converted military base that is perfect for cruising! I was there with my kids a couple of weeks ago and enjoyed the ride. Thanks!

On Jan 24, 12:23*am, bfd wrote:


I've tried riding in these bike lanes and its scary! You're boxed in between cars that are parked in the middle of the street and the curb. The problem is that people getting in and out of their cars use these bike lanes are their personal driveways. Further, you have people pushing strollers or walking in the middle of the lane and there's no where to go.

I'm not against the standard bike lane, where there cars are parked next to the curb and the bike lane is between the cars and traffic. At least in the standard bike lane you can avoid problems.

Yes. Often, you can avoid bike lane problems by simply refusing to use
the bike lane!

I want my right to the road, not to a bike ghetto at the road's edge.

- Frank Krygowski